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    Arrow Done: CNG cylinder testing from HDIP (photos)

    On every fuel station there's a big board telling us that they will not fill CNG in vehicles which have cylinder older than 5 years. And that according to Pakistan CNG rules 1992 everybody has to get their cylinder tested after 5 years.

    I have never seen any fuel station denying filling up of CNG, except a Shell station once asked me, 'your car is looking too old, we will not fill it to tank full level.' after which I indignantly told then that I bought the cylinder new 4 years ago and once 5 years milestone is near, I'll myself get it tested just for the sake of safety.

    Anyhow recently I came across a car which had CNG kit fitted since eons and thought of taking it to HDIP for testing. This is mainly because of personal responsibility and general regard of safety.

    After all, my family are the ones who sit in this car. Nowadays CNG cylinder is very expensive (main reason being fitting of CNG in diesel buses and trucks, which require 8 or 10 cylinders at a time). A cylinder I bought for Rs. 5000/- in 2007 now costs Rs. 18000/-. Like every Pakistani, I'm also tight on budget these days. But still, I concluded that Rs. 18000/- even though high, is not greater than the lives of me, my family, the person operating the fuel dispenser on the fuel station or other people present on the station during filling up.

    That's why I opted (opted, because the regulation is not being enforced even mildly) to invest into Rs. 550/- testing fees, driving my car to a lab far away, taking the time off from office/personal activities to go there and back, running it for 3-5 days on petrol (and getting the petrol system up to mark for this purpose, also costing money) and be prepared to spend Rs. 18000/- + fitting charges if the cylinder fails the test.

    Related link: http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/auto...ulted-pakistan

    EDIT: Replaced default post icon with little arrow to make OP's posts stand out.

    EDIT2: Added link to Pakistan CNG Rules 1992.

    EDIT3: HDIP fees has been increased to PKR 715/-. See post#77, pg#4.

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    I will check mine next month Inshallah....
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    Cylinder should be fully empty?

    and Cylinder removing will be done there or it will be remove and install the owner himself from Market?
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    Cylinder should be fully empty?

    and Cylinder removing will be done there or it will be remove and install the owner himself from Market?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noman17 View Post
    if i want to check the cylinder from HDIP, how can i un install the cylinder, HDIP staff can help me to un install the cylinder or it will be my responsibility.
    Quote Originally Posted by Horse_rider View Post
    Cylinder removing will be done there or it will be remove and install the owner himself from Market?
    The HDIP staff will dismantle the tank. I wrote it here in the 9th post but feel the wording wasn't as clear as it should've been. I've revised the post since.
    Also, in my case they refused to fit the tank back (after testing) and just loaded it into the boot (or they'll put it on the seat if you're OK with that).

    EDIT (31 Dec 2011): I also wrote here (13th post) that they did not install the tank back. Since the last few weeks I've been wondering how can I leave something this important while writing an entire treatise on the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horse_rider View Post
    Cylinder should be fully empty?
    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanzs View Post
    You can take your car there on a tank full, but the CNG will get wasted after it is unmounted. You and others will also face breathing discomfort as they empty the tank there and then. I was lucky in that I kept running on red light for 30km and CNG finished just as I stopped in front of the gate for entry pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwarior View Post
    well mine cng cyl is approaching its testing date this october I was hoping to get it to suzuki 3S coz they had displayed a banner therein, they charges 2500(as i remembr) now i knw why they charge that much thanks 4 sharing
    At least as of 28 Dec 2011 Pak Suzuki have a button 'Public Alert! Get your CNG cylinder certified' button on their homepage. Once you go to this page, you'll find that it is very bland and only 3 sentences are written:

    ----------------------------------------------
    YOUR SAFETY COMES FIRST!
    Get your CNG cylinder certified by HDIP through
    Pak Suzuki Authorized Dealerships

    Your CNG Cylinder should be tested every 5 years. Bring your Suzuki CNG
    vehicles at our dealerships & ensure peace of mind. We therefore truly
    claim we care for our customers.
    ----------------------------------------------

    This tells us that they do not conduct their own testing, but send the cylinders to HDIP. This may prove to be a helpful service for those people who do not have easy access to an HDIP testing centre, e.g in Sindh, the entire province has only one lab. I'll update if I get more details.

    PS: On a sidenote, this advertisement or public service message is very ironic. If the safety of Pak Suzuki's customers came first, they'd at least make something with predictible braking. With the exception of newer models (Liana, Swift, APV, Jimny), all the other cars in their lineup have poor brake pedal feel and unpredictible stopping distance. Also, with the exception of these newer models, the old 70s designed chassis in most of their cars have no safety features (e.g crumple zones, collapsible steering column) of the 21st century.
    Particularly noticeable is the tone of this sentence: 'We therefore truly claim we care for our customers'. Did somebody ask whether they truly claim or falsely? Has a theorem been proved? It sounds so arrogant. Just like an abusive husband. Another point is that if they cared so much, they could've offered free/discounted testing to encourage customer participation.

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    no CAR manufacturer has such facility.

    HDIP is THE testing & certifying authority of the cylinders for vehicles in Pakistan.

    KARACHI LABORATORIES COMPLEX in Pakistan Refinary Compound - access is just across CBM on main Korangi road - Google Map attached

    General Manager
    Mr. Habib-ur-Rehman
    Phone: +(92-21) 35090834.
    Fax: +(92-21) 35120496.
    E-mail: hdip@multi.net.pk; habib_hdip@yahoo.com
    Address: St-3, Sector-47,
    Near Pakistan Refinery Limited
    Korangi Creek, Karachi-75400.


    Done CNG cylinder testing from HDIP photos -348279
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    Quote Originally Posted by talhabinomar View Post
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    I just want to ask you that is there any outlet of CNG Testing centre in lahore ??
    HDIP at gulshan e ravi road,moon market,near subway.
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    Not denying the utility of getting the cylinder tested as safety comes first. We should all get tests for over 5 year old cylinders.

    I have seen many terrorist attacks and I have seen cars totally meshed like paper, but CNG cylinder remains in tact. The suicide blast at Islamabad Marriott Hotel in 2008 ripped the cars parked on the main double road, but not a single cylinder was exploded. It's quite a strong thing. Yes leakages can cause huge explosions no matter how new or strong the cylinder is. And also people using non-CNG cylinders for CNG purpose have met accidents/explosions.

    In Islamabad one of my friend got the test and they also refitted it.
    Seat belts do save lives.

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    the HDIP people always say bring car when tank is empty, but if tank is already empty they do it immediately. To remove & install the tank all is done in their place they do all the leakage testing when the tank is refitted give you a sticker with test report.

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    Arrow OGRA looking for companies/firms interested in cylinder testing

    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanzs View Post
    (I am looking around and have yet to come across a private company which also performs cylinder testing - reliably - and whose certificate is also acceptable legally).
    As I mentioned in post #4 (quoted above), I have been on the lookout for some other private/semi-government/government testing facility whose certificate is legally acceptable. Now I have come to know that the Oil & Gas Regulatory Authority has advertised on 23 Nov 2011 that they are looking for firms interested in starting commercial operations. If the direct link doesn't work, you can go to the press releases of 2011 page where this notification is 4th from top.

    They note that: In order to expedite the process of cylinder retesting, OGRA intends to appoint companies/ firms for the purpose and invites Expression of Interest (EOI) from well established international and national companies/firms with proven track record for pre-qualification for carrying out retesting of CNG vehicle cylinders in accordance with AS 2337.1-1989 as laid down in CNG Rules, 1992/Standard Code of Practice.

    This means that at least they are looking for companies interested in performing cylinder testing. Considering the dearth of labs and difficult access, it is a welcome step.

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    I have heard there is one private CNG testing facility near SKMH lahore, does anyone have an idea about it?

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    really nice job,your thread made me call isb HDIP to get all my home vehicles cylinders tested,but they told me on phone that they will be returning cylinder after a days gap

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    Arrow Update: They don't paint the cylinder any more.

    In March 2012, got another CNG cylinder tested from HDIP Karachi. Decided to take the cylinder in another vehicle as this would save the time otherwise wasted waiting for the tank to be dismantled from other cars, then mine. The proedure goes as follows:

    1. Run out of CNG and drive on petrol.
    2. Unmount CNG tank from car after turning the valve close. (The valve goes to the testing facility, do not remove the valve).
    3. Seat the tank in another car on the rear seat, preferably over a plastic sheet to avoid ruining the upholstery. (Cover it with a cloth, somebody may try to steal it which would be easier than usual as compared to a fitted cylinder. Additionally, somebody may think you're transporting a bomb. Also, as now the import of CNG cylinders is banned, somebody may accuse you of smuggling/black-marketing etc. therefore it is better to adopt a low profile with your cylinder).
    4. Keep reg. book of that car to which the cylinder belongs in pocket. They note the reg. no. of the car from that book. Keep PKR 550/- in wallet.
    5. Transport the tank to HDIP complex. Submit it against a receipt and Rs. 550/-.

    6. After 3 days, go back to collect cylinder. Keep plastic sheet and covering cloth ready for this. Receive cylinder and testing certificate.
    7. Drive back home. Fit cylinder in vehicle. Turn the valve open.
    8. Go to fuel station. Top up CNG.
    9. Check for leaks using soap water.

    Note: In post #11, paragraph 4, I noted that they paint cylinders with some not-very-satisfying quality & consistency oil paint. This practice has ceased. Either due to workload, or rising cost of paint, or they somehow noted that the quality and effectiveness of the paint could not fulfil the intended purpose (rust proofing) - whatever be the reason, the fact that tax money is not being spent on something useless is very appreciable.

    EDIT: HDIP fees has been increased to PKR 715/-. See post#77, pg#4.

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    Good job
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    i went to the HDIP islamabad lately but it was 12:30 pm on the clock and it was their lunch break so sadly returned rather waiting them for another two hours in hot sun




    Done CNG cylinder testing from HDIP photos -400454
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    Arrow Stp testing and services

    As noted previously, OGRA was looking around for private firms who would set up plant & equipment for CNG cylinder testing. Even since before OGRA published this, I've been on the lookout for this. Recently while going through EBM causeway towards Brooke's roundabout (formerly Godam chowrangi) I noticed a board 'STP Testing and Services - CNG cylinder testing', along with some phone numbers on it in microscopic size. The phone numbers were (and are):

    021-35123574,
    021-35123575,
    0300-2945370,
    0345-2973657,
    0321-2747765,
    0334-2344012.

    Nobody picks up the landline numbers, so I gave the mobilink number a go. On contact, the conversation went as follows:

    Me: I saw this signboard on the main road near Godam chowrangi, that says CNG cylinder testing.
    STP: Yes.

    Me: You people perform the test yourselves or send it to HDIP, like many others who disassemble/assemble the cylinder but do not perform the testing themselves?
    STP: We have our own setup, it has been recently established, approved and licensed from government.

    Me: Oh, after OGRA gave the newspaper ad on 23 Nov 2011 [thankfully I remembered the date] that private firms come ahead and show EOI in setting up CNG cylinder testing facilities? OK, then I'll be coming around, what are your office timings?
    STP: 9 to 4 (in Ramadan). [some hesitation] But why would you like to come?

    Me: There's nothing to worry about. I am a (self-proclaimed) automobile enthusiast. Previously I've been getting CNG cylinders of cars tested from HDIP. Now that a new setup has been established, I'd like to get some know-how, so that in the future I could give you people a try.
    STP: We are sitting till 4. You may come.
    [Call ends].

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    Arrow STP testing and services brochure

    Before narrating the visit of STP testing and services centre, I'd share their brochure with you:

    Front page:
    Done CNG cylinder testing from HDIP photos -450582

    Back page:
    Done CNG cylinder testing from HDIP photos -450580

    BTW, is that a wrecked BMW (on top right, front page)?

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    On visiting (note: parking is not as easy to find here as the HDIP Khi), this was the conversation I had with the STP testing and services representative:

    Me: It is good to know that you people have set up shop, because HDIP have very limited testing facilities (only 3-4 facilities for the entire country), and alone may not be able to cover the entire area and the numbers of cylinders being used over the country. Thank you for the effort, this will surely encourage more people, as even Karachi residents find it very difficult to go out of the way to the remotely located HDIP laboratories. As told before, I am an automobile enthusiast and also happen to take accident prevention seriously. You people have not been advertising it anywhere (internet, cable TV, etc.), I've searched for different terms like 'STP testing and services' or some of your phone numbers on the net but couldn't find any result. How are people supposed to know that you exist?
    STP: The setup is new. We have printed brochures [hands me the brochure] and put sign boards on the main road. Also, STP = Super Technical Pakistan. Super Technical Pakistan does have a website. If you search with these terms on the internet, you will be able to find us. We will build CNG/LPG cylinder testing facilities in Karachi (already operational now), Lahore and Rawalpindi.

    [Note: On the Super Technical Pakistan website, there is no mention of this new venture - cylinder testing - yet.]

    Me: I've just recently noted your presence. Since when are you people sitting here?
    STP: Not very long. Roughly a month or 1.5.

    Me: How many cylinders have you tested since? Just want to know because any efforts to make potential customers aware of this option are not visible.
    STP: Around 80.

    [Note: 80 cylinders in 40-45 days w/o any market penetration feels a good number, especially when there is no government enforcement on the subject.]

    Me: OK, what are the testing fees etc?
    STP: Two options are available: Ordinary (PKR 550/-) and urgent (PKR 1000/-). Ordinary takes 2-3 days. Urgent means same day. Nowadays it is 3-4 hours. On days with low volume it is even lesser. If you work in this industrial area it is also possible that you drop the cylinder in the morning, attend to your job and get it fitted in the lunch time/evening. Removing and fitting of cylinder will cost you separately (PKR 300/-). This amount remains same whether you opt for ordinary or urgent.

    Me: HDIP stamps the cylinders as HDIP m-yy. How does STP punch the cylinders they test?
    STP: It is similar to HDIP m-yy. We stamp STP m-yy. It is a government standard format. Everyone has to follow that.
    [Also showed me a sample of test certificate].
    [Note: When you collect the certificate from STP, they will take a receiving along with photocopy of CNIC of car's owner and photocopy of first page of car registration book. Be prepared by taking these things along with you.]

    Me: The serial number of cylinder is shown against car number (number plate). What if I shift my cylinder to another car? I've asked this from HDIP that if I transfer my cylinder to another car, would I have to write a letter to HDIP informing them to update their record, they said no.
    STP: You can bring the new vehicle here and after inspection, a certificate would be issued for the new number plate for the same cylinder number.

    [I don't remember whether there was a fees for this or not.]

    Me: Noted that STP writes only the serial no. of cylinder, and not the brand name (e.g EKC, Inflex), whereas HDIP writes both.
    STP: Our format doesn't include the brand name.

    [This has a certain disadvantage: If the cylinders of a certain brand started failing testing at a high rate, there would be no record of which cylinders a not durable (=long life) and customers would not know which companies to avoid. This is of course assuming that ban on import of CNG cylinders is removed and the industry continues to flourish etc.]

    Me: As you are saying that STP is government approved, why don't you frame a copy of the certificate and install it on the wall here? OGRA has been lately very active in the LPG sector, and have published entire lists of companies which are licensed to manufacture LPG kits and cylinders, and also of fuel station operators. But on visiting the website of OGRA, there is no update after the 23 Nov 2011 ad on EOI for private firms to become CNG testers. I was expecting there would be an update on OGRA website that at least one company has been awarded a license to test CNG cylinders and that the expiry date of license is 'this'.
    STP: OGRA used to deal with these things. But since start 2012, these matters have shifted to Department of Explosives (which comes under Ministry of Industries). Maybe that's why you cannot find it on the OGRA website. Also, we are still in the mobilization phase so a lot of things (such as displaying the license on the wall) need to be done.

    [Note: I am looking into the Department of Explosives', Ministry of Industries involvement into CNG cylinder testing. Maybe we have been missing on some news. Will update soon].

    Me: I see on the brochure that CNG/LPG testing is written. As HDIP has been active on LPG lately, they have posted LPG rules on their website and according to them, LPG cylinders also need to be tested every 5 years. HDIP currently lacks the ability to test LPG cylinders (and people were at a loss as around 2017, lots of people would need to get their LPG cylinders tested and there was no commercial testing facility in the entire country to do it). Do you people have that?
    STP: Yes, we are ready to test LPG cylinders too. They need to be tested every 3 years.

    [Note: LPG cylinders need to be tested every 5 years, look up clause 3.3.8, page 4, LIQUEFIED PETROLEUM GAS (PRODUCTION & DISTRIBUTION) POLICY, 2011. This clause was not included in the superseded LPG policy 2006.]

    Me: Any other thing you would like to tell?
    STP: This is state of the art made in USA testing equipment, latest technology. Even HDIP does not have this technology.

    Me: Thank you for your time and all the information provided. I already run a thread on Pakwheels.com on CNG cylinder testing. As when I needed to get the cylinder tested, I was not able to find any guidance from anybody. Therefore I shared my entire experience over the internet for the benefit of public. I'll post this information for the general good of the people.

    Pakwheelers, currently I've no cylinder to get tested and to share the experience, like I did the HDIP experience. If any of you chance to avail the services of STP, pl post here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talhabinomar View Post
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    I just want to ask you that is there any outlet of CNG Testing centre in lahore ??
    its near mansura on multan road.

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    i have come across a few pumps in Lahore where the facility is available but they themselves don't encourage to get the cylinder checked. all they ask for is a few extra hundreds to get the certificate issued. i pity those who actually do it and risk themselves and their families

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