24-10-2009, 09:26 AM
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BMW M5 25 years!
Release summer / autumn 2010 according to article in German Auto News and BMW M 25 Year Anniversary of the BMW M5.
I'm not 100% sure how to judge the quotes from the German text but it seems that there might be truth in this. http://www.auto-news.de/auto/news/an...d=25491&page=3 English Google Translation: A successor will be The new generation of the BMW 5 Series will be presented in November 2009. The M version is still a bit slow in coming - in the summer or autumn of 2010, it might be ready. Information about new business-understatement-there are hardly any cars. Still, Dr. Kay Segler, head of M GmbH, tells us: "We want to achieve fuel consumption reduction of 20 percent." On the north loop, we then proceed with more in a single piece: an anniversary M5. To questions about the car, we are cultivating silence - but we must go along, Claudia Hürtgen sits at the helm. The Special-M5 ballert off without traction interruption - apparently believes that a new version of the already deployed in the M3 seven-speed dual clutch transmission, now also the torque of an M5 engine. This finding is expressed by us Hürtgen uncommented. The motor rotates up to 9,000 rev / min high and feels after 600 hp. In the next few descendants in 1985 in Amsterdam featured stealth M5 we are already looking forward. German: Ein Nachfolger wird kommen Die neue Generation des BMW 5er wird im November 2009 vorgestellt. Die M-Version lässt noch ein bisschen auf sich warten – im Sommer oder Herbst 2010 könnte es soweit sein. Informationen zum neuen Business-Understatement-Wagen gibt es kaum. Immerhin: Dr. Kay Segler, Chef der M GmbH, sagt uns: „Wir wollen Verbrauchsreduzierungen von 20 Prozent erreichen.“ Auf der Nordschleife fahren wir dann noch in einem Einzelstück mit: einem Jubiläums-M5. Auf Fragen zu dem Wagen ernten wir Schweigen – aber wir dürfen mitfahren, Claudia Hürtgen sitzt am Steuer. Der Sonder-M5 ballert ohne Zugkraft-Unterbrechung los – anscheinend hält eine neue Version des bereits im M3 eingesetzten Siebengang-Doppelkupplungsgetriebes jetzt auch die Drehmomente eines M5-Motors aus. Diese von uns geäußerte Feststellung lässt Hürtgen unkommentiert. Der Motor dreht bis zu 9.000 U/min hoch und fühlt sich nach 600 PS an. Auf den nächsten Nachfahren des 1985 verstohlen in Amsterda 9000RPMsssss sounds like another N/A V10 600hp monster. BMW please build it. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg)
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25-10-2009, 11:25 PM
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Alkazar bhai good post!! BMW
/ / / M's have tradition of revving high unlike any other!!! Visit this thread for updates on the F10: BMW / / / M5 F10!! Here's the complete version of AutoBild translated article: 25 Years of BMW / / / M5: Where the / / / M5 is coming from, & where he goes! Nurburgring (Nordschleife), 23 October 2009 - curves without end, knolls, where no one knows what's going on behind it, and gray guard rails close to the trail: We drive on the labels provided with countless fan of the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Our cars: BMW M5 all generations. And their great predecessor M1. Finally, it was 25 years ago, the M5 up and running. We look back - and forward. The others were simply not good enough "The Maserati Quattroporte has inspired us," said the former head of the M-GmbH Adolf Prommelsberger. "From the volume of her car but did not play a role, but we wanted to pick up on the idea." Of course, that belongs to BMW Motorsport GmbH, today's M GmbH, the perfect partner for such a bold project. And at the Motorsport GmbH had claims: "All the coaches that have occurred in this class were not perfect," said Jochen Neerpasch, on 24 The Motorsport GmbH was founded in May 1972. "Maserati, Ferrari, Lamborghini - the streaker had enormous problems. After a weekend at the track you could throw away the brakes of the vehicle. Elsewhere were always in the shop. "That should change with a BMW M5. This very secretly founded in 1985 to the category of "sports-car business." Bold step - a defensive advertised At BMW we had) the engine from the M1 and the suspension of the 6 Series Coupe (E24 series. These were the main ingredients for the new M5 (E28). The car was introduced in 1985 to the Motor Show in Amsterdam - which in professional circles is best known as C-Fair, so as totally unimportant applies. Without formal presentation with a very brief press release of the M5 has started into life - the success, it was probably not quite so sure. For the M5 was recognized only for those who hinguckten the exact aluminum rims of the dimension 156 TR 390 (15.4 inches) and small-type signs on the front and rear distinguish it from the production model. Quite different, therefore the same time there was already offered M535i: spoilers, tires and other aerodynamic parts made aware of the 185-horsepower car. And this version was in contrast to the 285-horsepower M5 with a catalyst on the road - another reason for caution in the presentation of the BMW M5. / / / M1 as the ancestor The first M5 sat as all subsequent models on understatement: Only a look under the hood of the car had the special qualities of an idea: Here sat a four-cylinder engine with 3.5 liters of displacement. 83 hp per liter: Such a value was previously achieved only in motorsport. And there, the unit came here also from the legendary BMW M1 (E26). The two-seater racer in the timelessly beautiful design by Giorgio Giugiaro was shown in 1978 at the Paris Motor Show. The mid-engine vehicle was once Germany's fastest road sports car. The six-cylinder power unit of the series designed for auto racing M1 delivered 277 hp. And even when M1 everything was above average, which has a M-wagon just to be really good: agility, dynamism, responsiveness and feedback. And just in terms of the M1 response is quite special. Steering was for professionals We take the M1 on the Nordschleife, are smitten from the first moment, as greedy depends on the car gas. To the backdrop of the precise five-speed circuit, we have quickly grown accustomed to: The first course is on the left below, the second in the top center. Because of the mid-engine concept, the car sits quite far forward, which in turn has a close result in pedals: As the wheel house left in the driver's footwell is on the rise, the pedals are right close together. The brakes retard well, but they also block fast. And the servofreie steering allows the driver to feel every wind of autumn leaf blown into the street. From 160 km / h you have to hold good for a trusty straight the steering wheel - the old warhorse traveled by car up to 260 kph. In periods without ABS and ESP, the people could not deal with cars. / / / M5 on the track Afterwards we'll grab us the M5 of 1985. 286 HP, encounter a curb weight of 1430 pounds - and the car would not really looks like a sports car. But he goes thus: After 6.1 seconds is a speed of 100 reached. The steering offers a straight-line stability and is a giant leap compared to the M1. 251 km / h are in there - limited by air resistance. Lowered with tighter springs and an ABS braking system has the car while driving at all 25 years old. To improve the weight distribution of the battery equipped with limited slip differential Hinterradantrieblers sitting in the trunk. And the road is the M5 in 1985 as a normal car with a lot of comfort - at the request he had a driver's airbag on board. 80,750 marks was paid for the M5, twice as much as for a not exactly cheap even 528i. Nevertheless, a total of 2200 were hand-made first-generation M5 its buyer. Second generation At BMW, it was clear from the outset, that would be earned with the Motorsport GmbH money. And this was abolished not only by leading sports cars. "We have also started with the first merchandising, customer sells the jackets and other accessories," says our Neerpasch, which incidentally was brought by Bob Lutz from Ford to BMW. But the main business became more and more: In 1987 the first M5 is expiring in August 1988 is the successor of: front and rear apron are to reduce inflation because, they were reluctant painted like the side skirts. Striking are most likely to the great for those times, 17-inch wheels and the lush sized tailpipes. Driver and front passenger sport seats, and are now sitting in the back seat with contoured single seats waiting for - in the M5 (E34), officially the second-generation fit a maximum of four passengers. A fixed armrest with tray occupies the middle seat in the rear. The six-cylinder remains The second M5 is again driven by a straight six. But the engine of the predecessor is recognizable due to a fundamental revision hardly lie after a displacement increase from 3453 to 3535 cubic centimeters to 315 hp now. And the car there with a catalyst - the exhaust system of the twelve-cylinder BMW 750i makes and adapt it to their jobs in the M5. Among the virtues of the M-sport sedan is above all a pleasant engine sound chosen. At higher speeds or when we go off the gas, we hear a well-defined rumble - one of the sweetest sounds in the M-concert. And the 17-inch wheels were actually a technical necessity: only then could the brakes with 315 millimeter discs at the front and 302-millimeter wafers are placed back. At 6.3 seconds, the M5 to 100 km / h, at 250 km / h, electronically limited - in theory would be 270 km / h in it. / / / M (ore) Power Even the second generation of the M5 is rebuilt by hand - in the meantime, the staff of Motorsport GmbH has grown from 100 to 370 employees. "We started as a trio." Said Jochen Neerpasch. BMW wants to have the car for 98,800 marks - the first annual production of 1,900 cars is sold out shortly after the new product presentation. 1991, the engineers miss the M5 is an engine update - up to this point have already been sold 8079 new M5. 3.8-liter engine are now good for 340 hp - a performance by 25 hp. Thus equipped, is checked off the sprint from zero to 100 km / h in 5.9 seconds. 300 of a maximum of 400 Newton meters of torque is already available from 1,800 rpm. We are feeling the bite on the track - compared to the first generation M5, the new shows again a huge development. The suspension too impressed with electronic damping control. Optionally, there is a "Nürburgring suspension package with stronger stabilizer in the tail, a more athletic power steering and a switchable damper force adjustment. / / / M5 touring: The combination is A few months after the engine update is the first time an M5 wagon in the program. 1,450 liters cargo volume can now be moved as sporty as a BMW M5 Sedan. Also this car is again completed at the Motorsport GmbH in Garching near Munich by hand. 1993 will be the renaming of the Motorsport GmbH in "M GmbH. Under the wings of the M GmbH, the M5 now get first time a six-speed manual transmission scarf, all previous models were traveling with a manual five-speed manual transmission. 12,000 second-generation M5 will be sold, 900 of them are suits. 1998's / / / M5: still really good The six-cylinder goes, a new V8 is: 1998 it is now - the third generation of the M5 (E39) set sail. 18-inch, four tailpipes and a slightly modified air intake: understatement remains at the specifications of the M-designer. The eight holds 4.9 liters of displacement, as always with the M5 units each cylinder has its own throttle valve. The new engine makes 400 hp, 60 hp more than its predecessor. 500 Newton meters of torque available, is running again on a six-speed manual transmission. It comes in 5.3 seconds from zero to 100 km / h. The car is equipped as standard with the BMW "DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) called ESP. The third M5 front and rear is 15 deep and ten millimeters than a BMW 540i, a limited slip differential with 25 percent locking effect, the curves increases traction. Advanced skiers to reach by car lateral acceleration of up to 1.2 g. We want We leave it to the 98s M5 tread carefully, but the good-natured car makes us brave. On the road we are super comfortable on the road, and with the interior design of today can not keep still, some new cars. Then it's off to the Nurburgring. BMW-racer Claudia Hürtgen gives us the line, otherwise we would be hopelessly lost as Nordschleife novices. Hürtgen tells us: "On the Nordschleife can remember well the braking and turn-- there are with all the labels on the road a lot of landmarks." Okay, but it's just time before you have memorized felt several hundred landmarks . The "Carousel" with its concrete slabs arranged in a circle and the similar "small carousel" we can remember about first. Our M5 takes every sovereign bending depends on the greedy gas in order to be able to pounce at any time. The car is definitely still today, eleven years after his debut, contemporary. This had its price: 75.500 Euro have been paid at the end of his term in 2004 for the car, 20,500 M5 left the workshop. Ten cylinders for the current / / / M5 The current BMW 5 series will end just the same fate but hits the current M5 (E60). The fourth generation bears a jewel under the hood: The 5.0-liter V10 with 507 hp and maximum torque of 520 Newton meters. Of a maximum speed of 8250 rpm motor is designed to over 100 hp per liter. And except for aggregate grants from: Twice in succession, namely 2005 and 2006, the V10 has been awarded the Prize of the car probably most renowned world: the International Engine of the Year Award. No other unit managed it before. Variable maximum speed As in the previous model, it also exists in the current M5, a variable display for maximum speed, only when the engine has reached optimum operating temperature, may be rotated at full speed. The gearshift is in the current M5 over the seven-speed SMG. This gear is popular with racers and otherwise highly controversial, as it sometimes tends to be jerky gear shifts. In technikverliebten Japan helped the SMG on the M5 unprecedented sales heights. At 4.7 seconds, the M5 accelerates to 100, at 250 km / h, in turn, electronically limited - a maximum would be 330 km / h in it. On the north loop of the current M5 takes eight minutes for a round of excellent. A variable of zero to 100 percent locking effect working differential lock ensures the necessary traction. 2007 then returned to the "touring" as a station wagon called M5. 1650 liters of cargo volume here in 4.8 seconds from zero to 100 km / h. A successor will be The new generation of the BMW 5 Series will be presented in November 2009. The M version is still a bit slow in coming - in the summer or autumn of 2010, it might be ready. Information about new business-understatement-there are hardly any cars. Still, Dr. Kay Segler, head of M GmbH, tells us: "We want to achieve fuel consumption reduction of 20 percent." On the north loop, we then proceed with more in a single piece: an anniversary M5. To questions about the car, we are cultivating silence - but we must go along, Claudia Hürtgen sits at the helm. The Special-M5 ballert off without traction interruption - apparently believes that a new version of the already deployed in the M3 seven-speed dual clutch transmission, now also the torque of an M5 engine. This finding is expressed by us Hürtgen uncommented. The motor rotates up to 9,000 rev / min high and feels after 600 hp. In the next few descendants in 1985 in Amsterdam featured stealth M5 we are already looking forward.
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26-10-2009, 09:57 PM
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ToofaneBatameezi .. Thanks . The problem is the future of N/A engines. I think what we have here is BMW talking about a one of car for the 25th Anniversary with 9K RPMs and 600 hp. But i am pretty sure the new M5 will be built with a twin turbo V8. Is the current V8 and V10 from M division going to be the last of the high rev N/A engines, maybe. But whatever engine they put in the new M's i am sure it will be a great one.
The Dinan 5.7L Stroker kit for the V10 and now they have one for the V8 M3 too, is no doubt an engineering marvel in its self.
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26-10-2009, 10:13 PM
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It all begin with In-line Six..then came the V8 followed by the V10!! And now I believe as the motivated green fundamentalist are crying...I dont see fans having any problem coping up with the Torque that M5's always had lacked....The New TT-V8 powerplant will have plenty of Torque and probably no SMG-2 Trans to worry about!! No DCT for the M5 due to unrealistic Production costs..!! The V10 did play a major role in the sales of E60 M5!! But the conditions now are very harsh...along with, No CSL package coming for the new E92 M3..instead a slightly sportier "Competition Package" will arrive for the E92 M3 based somewhat on the GT4 E92 M3 and has been spotted by Car&Driver at the Ring!! .jpg)
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27-10-2009, 11:49 AM
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the 1st M5 was a real 4-door supercar of it's time, the 2nd and 3rd were ultra refined autobahn rockets, but the 4th one became TOO powerful for its own good.
personal choice would be the 1st gen M5 for the weekends and the 2nd or 3rd gen as a daily driver.
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28-10-2009, 05:10 AM
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I couldnt agree with you more on that. But i guess competition from Audi and MB is also cause for some on BMW's new products. But they have managed to keep their philosophy genuine and it is quite different from the other german rivals. NEWS from Audi , there will be no RS4, wow! And rumors of no M3 CSL.... This recession better be over other wise we will c hybrids from the M division and AMG (this was a joke) but who can say for sure what the future holds in performance auto world.
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05-11-2009, 04:25 PM
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M 5 .... Well driving one is Believing, it has got a never ending supply of power and the DSC system performs so well that when u hit 250kph the steering feels like if you are cruising at just 100.
This car always in Attack mode waiting to unleash its jaw dropping power. I have driven many cars but M5(E39) amazes me every time I take it for a drive.
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05-11-2009, 04:37 PM
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BTW did you all know that the 2nd generation M5 was slower than the same model (year) 540i? this was when BMW started getting serious (again) abotu building performance road cars.
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I missed that boss!! 230 something HP was the max E34 540 had, the E34 M5 had 310 Hp and later the same engine was stroked to 3.8L to get 335 HP!
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