Are the Honda Civic 2016 Ongoing Quality Issues Being Overly Exaggerated?

Honda Civic 2016

A lot has been said since July 21st, 2016 when Pakistan Domestic Model 10th Generation Civic 2016 [PKDM] launched. If I place both good and bad on a balance; the side with bad goes down. Since its local launch things didn’t go well. Right from day one we kept our reader up to date on each and everything we could. The one major point of discussion on social media as well as between true automotive enthusiast who have keen eye was the quality, fit and finish of the Honda Civic 2016. My dear fellow blogger posted two detailed article on the interior and exterior quality of the car from the day of launch. Their links are below

2016 Honda Civic in Pakistan and its Questionable Exterior Build Quality and Honda Civic 2016 Disappointing Interior Finish and Quality

Few days ago I did a detailed analysis about all the missing features from PKDM 1.5T Civic, which is said to be a flagship top of the line model presented by Honda Atlas Pakistan Limited [HAPL]. Its sad to see that HAPL really cut corners as far as number of features but quality has drastically declined compared to previous offerings as well. A better built product could have overcome the less features made available and might have balanced out.  I have been actively posting on social media about various defects and shortcomings found on the cars found on display. I came across many arguments when few people said that these quality issues are only on the display units. As a visitor, you make your perception about any product when you see it first. First impression is the ever lasting impression. Companies spend extra ordinary effort and money so that when they launch/showcase a product, it looks perfect and a the potential buyer just fell for it without a second thought. Its really a question and has been bugging me that if this all happened due to mismanagement or HAPL just overlooked it that too for the fact that HAPL banked over 5 billion in pre-orders/bookings. Even after couple of weeks, number of displayed cars at different showrooms show same poor quality of workmanship. I wish HAPL did replace these faulty units with good ones so that people who visit could take a better impression.

Read: Pakistani Honda Civic 2016: A Featureful or a Featureless Civic?

In automotive industry two words will always be there “Fit & Finish”. It means how parts and panels go together, how are gaps, the spacing, the edges and how one car compares to another after its assembled. Car companies have very strict Quality Control units which can figure out any fit and finish issues immediately so that the same problem doesn’t multiply and show up on the entire production. A small improper gap between car door panels can destroy the overall look of the car and will come out to a naked eye immediately. A well built car inside and out will automatically please a customer. Its same like you compare a well stitched suit with improperly cut and poorly finished suit.

Today I will go over some quality issues again. I came across hundreds of social media posts in which the weld on Civic X doors were discussed, mostly front doors. Some are genuine issues while some are exaggerated; means there are no issues with those welds. I thought, I would try to explain it in simple words for our readers so that what is the actual issue. We should also keep in mind that door welds really have an importance as improper welds and joints can result in different/severe outcomes in side impact crashes. Also PKDM 2016 Civic doesn’t carry side airbags, so we all rely on the quality of doors.

Honda Civic 2016 like many other cars on the market doesn’t have a single frame door. The upper portion and the lower portion comes in pieces. In other words the top “U” portion of the door which carries the door glass and the lower portion which is the main door are welded together. The weld will be there and it will be visible under the painted finished surface. It now depends how perfect is the weld work itself.

weld beadMany people were spreading wrongful info that there is a weld on 2016 Honda Civic doors and it’s a fault, but fact of the matter is that the weld will remain as I explained.  Once the panels are welded, the portion of weld material is placed on top of joint which works as an reinforcement and is known as a bead. The size of the bead and how well it is made makes a major impact on the finished product/welded panels. There is huge difference between making a proper bead on joints as reinforcement and spreading weld on top of joint like a butter on a slice or in simple words apply a tape.

A PakWheels community members shared some 2016 Honda Civic pictures from Oman and pointed out that the welded joint is also there. The country of Oman import Civic from United States, so the question arises if US exported Civic has the visible weld then whats the problem with PKDM Civic? The major thing which we should look into is the matter of proper/improper welds. How the panels are welded and how the gaps between the panels are filled with welded material and how is the end finish product after all these steps including the paint. I am placing few pictures for readers for making an opinion. Fortunately I was able to get hold of picture of same panels.

These picture will explain which is a correct and perfect welded panel and which one is done in haste without any quality control.

Honda Civic 2016

Honda Civic 2016

Honda Civic 2016

So now lets talk about some of issues on delivered cars. After discussion with many people as well as with some of owners of the new Honda Civic 2016, almost all have shown their displeasure on the quality of interior finish and specifically the door welds. No two cars show same weld pattern which further questions the process of Quality Assurance and Quality Control at Honda Atlas.

I tried to understand the process of welding which is used at HAPL assembly line but could not verify anything. Is it robotic or its done manually? Something we need to know for our learning because it’s also a bigger question which needs answers that even after decades of assembly, is HAPL still using old school process and methods of assembly including manual welding?

The weld issue has gone so viral that one dealer [Name withheld] even sanded the welded portion before making a delivery to a customer and as an icing on the cake, even forget to repaint/finish the sanded weld.  The customer just overlooked it and only came to know when he reached home. Apart of the pathetic weld quality  the quality of the fit and finish of the door panels [as pointed by yellow arrows]  is really questionable as well.

Honda Civic 2016

Another owner shared pictures of his delivered 1.8 Oriel Civic. This car also showed same imperfections of the welding and there is even a small hole left between panels as well as the way panels are welded, comparing with what and how its done elsewhere. This small little unfinished hole overtime will carry moisture/water and this joint will start rusting overtime from the inside. Also it seems the two panels don’t even have proper edges before these were welded or over-welding burnt the lower panel which is now filled in.

Honda Civic 2016

Besides the poor welds, the interior finish has been seen with some random fit problems especially with the dashboard near by “A Pillar”.   Sometime it does not looks like an interior of car which has always been praised in the past for its better quality comparing other locally assembled cars. The pictures can talk itself much better than my explanation.

The quality of door panels as well the stitching of seats on cars with “HIGH GRADE” material is also not up to mark and many owners have pointed out same. The extensively discussed center console’s material, its fit and finish is also very poor and needs a serious consideration by HAPL QC department.

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There are some minor issues as far exterior like misaligned front bumper, misaligned front fender light as well as the trim along the front windscreen which can be removed after proper quality check with minimal efforts at assembly line.

Again I would like to emphasis that these issues presented here are random problems and you may or may not find it on each and every car but the problem areas are still there on number of cars. Few owners even overlooked these things and took deliveries in the excitement of getting a new car.

These minor things do matter as far as the overall quality of a car is concerned. The article is also an effort to enlighten potential buyers or people who already got delivery of their new 2016 Civic. Its much easier to fix these issues at source so that the customers don’t get effected.

I am hopeful Honda Pakistan will look into this matter and would be working hard to rectify these visible issues on its end. Because all these visible problems push us to think about all unknowns or hidden fixtures and fittings and there quality as well. Once a buyer gets a car after spending a huge amount of money, he expects a top class quality in return. There can always be shortcoming and it does happen with even high end luxury brands. It matters how the assembler/carmaker or for that matter any producer takes customers feedback to resolve any issues.

If a Pakistani Honda customer can’t enjoy all the standard features that a Honda customer gets overseas in the new Honda Civic 2016, at least he/she deserve a good and extraordinary quality even after paying higher price, because they need what you are paid for.

There is famous quote by Henry Ford, the founder of the Ford Motor Company…I quote,

It is not the employer who pays the wages. Employers only handle the money. It is the customer who pays the wages

Fazal Wahab

I am Civil Engineer by Profession and have love for High Rise Towers and Underground construction. But Automobiles is my first love. Its my passion to know and share about anything new in automobile industry.

  • Yeh Mera Pakistan Hai

    These issues are disastrous for those who spend their hard end HALAL money to buy this car. For those who are political workers/ politicians and trained political terrorists ,these issues does not matter . Most of the people who buy cars above 18 LACS in Pakistan are either well established in their business or those who earn HARAM Money including high level government officials, Income tax agents, money laundering , and property dealers.

  • You know what comments you will be getting? “Toyota’s quality is also very bad, especially when the 11th generation was launched” , “You are being paid by Indus Motor Company to badmouth the new Civic” , “Whatever you say, it is selling like hot cakes” , “It’s shape is awesome it beats Corolla hands down in both exterior and interior” , “These flaws were only in display model” . Buyers are happy with this quality, so Atlas is happy.

  • Lazy Sapper

    Usually people with HARAAM KA MAAL goes for such show off.

  • Mustafa

    It seems like Pak wheels is deliberately trying to bash honda because ive never seen such defame campaign against any car before, i dont think any customer would be handed over a car which has these flaws. yes all issues being raised by pak wheels are over exhagarated

  • Fazal Wahab

    humm. you know spreading fake pics that too of a company like Honda can land you in a law suit of defamation? Make your better judgment next time. If its false.. Honda Atlas should file a suit via their law team. Also I wish you did read the last para of the article which says “these are randomly raised issues”.. which means in other words its not on each and every car.. Please read last para again.. . here what the owner say read it. https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/civic/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club-11#post5161790

  • Ammar Ahmad

    Total Bull shit. All the people at Pakwheels. Please go for once atleast and check the car. there are no issues. ive myself gone twice on the showroom and checked the car. i did not find anything. when i wanted to post the pictures about the car having no problem you people had blocked me. that is your reality and it is the truth. i know you people would remove my comments because you pakwheels and toyota have joined hands to somehow destroy the new honda’s image. moreover honda civic 2016 ki pics hi use krni thi. 90% pics kisi aur car ki hain chawalon

  • Shamlan Elahi

    This new model is very cool and these cars absolutely very very good i visited the show room and saw the quality and those were awesome. I dont know why pakwheels did this kind of shit.

  • Asad Ullah

    Nice Effort Pakwheels.. you did good job… now happy..Happy.. ..!!! shame on You…. You guys always prefer to do monopoly..against your competitor i.e. HONDA. You will never get success. Just for your satisfaction.. Keep your work up…

  • Fazal Wahab

    humm. you know spreading fake pics that too of a company like Honda can land you in a law suit of defamation? Make your better judgment next time. If its false.. Honda Atlas should file a suit via their law team. Also I wish you did read the last para of the article.. here what the owner say read it. https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/civic/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club-11#post5161790

  • Muhammad Siddiq kashmiri

    It seems like Pak Wheels is biased against Honda, there are so many pathetic cars that they never bashed, the car which is best locally manufactured is being bashed like this. Please grow up.

  • Fazal Wahab

    here what the owner say read it. https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/civic/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club-11#post5161790

    humm. you know spreading fake pics that too of a company like Honda can land you in a law suit of defamation? Make your better judgment next time. If its false.. Honda Atlas should file a suit via their law team. Also I wish you did read the last para of the article..

  • usman

    oooooo pakwheel please come up with something good u guys seriously dont have anything better to do. i drive one and there are not a single issue like this in the car . stop this fake campaign against the car .

  • Fazal Wahab

    Do read last para and I can help you with it “Again I would like to emphasis that these issues presented here are random problems and you may or may not find it on each and every car but the problem areas are still there on number of cars. Few owners even overlooked these things and took deliveries in the excitement of getting a new car.

    These minor things do matter as far as the overall quality of a car is concerned. The article is also an effort to enlighten potential buyers or people who already got delivery of their new 2016 Civic. Its much easier to fix these issues at source so that the customers don’t get effected.

    I am hopeful Honda Pakistan will look into this matter and would be working hard to rectify these visible issues on its end. Because all these visible problems push us to think about all unknowns or hidden fixtures and fittings and there quality as well. Once a buyer gets a car after spending a huge amount of money, he expects a top class quality in return. There can always be shortcoming and it does happen with even high end luxury brands. It matters how the assembler/carmaker or for that matter any producer takes customers feedback to resolve any issues.”.

    here what the owner say read it. https://www.pakwheels.com/forum

    humm. you know spreading fake pics that too of a company like Honda can land you in a law suit of defamation? Make your better judgment next time. If its false.. Honda Atlas should file a suit via their law team.

  • Fazal Wahab
  • Fazal bhai Atlas has hired a firm to deny flaws and they are active now posing to be customers of “flawless” Civics.

  • Guest

    Just because (you think) they never “bashed” other “pathetic” cars, they should not bash Atlas’ Civic X too.

    I salute your common sense.

  • Fazal Wahab

    haha.. these things cant be hidden. It will eventually come out..

  • Rocky

    It seems like Pak wheels have some personal grudge

  • Rocky

    With halal money people should only buy mehran 🙂

  • rocky

    And Pak wheels hired paid bloggers to bash only one particular brand in Pakistan, very sad

  • Xain Shah

    wasting your time sir.. I am sure the guy above is fully satisfied with mehran !! Even if you start a post about flaws in Mehran people will start quoting you as biased !

  • Ammar Ahmad

    Mr, Masroor i am a customer of Honda civic and i did not find any single issue in it. no issue in the drive or any welding. if you people just let my pics stay anywhere i could have showed you but unfortunately every time when i used to post the pics pakwheels had the pics blocked. and i know that my comments as well as my profile will be blocked soon.

  • Xain Shah

    I am sure Sir you are driving a toyota ?

  • rocky

    Yes fazal Bhai the truth will eventually come out, lets see , buyers can also sue the brand if it has so much quality issues, i wonder why did the brand not sue Pak wheels

  • Xain Shah

    So mehran is the new gauge to check if one’s money is halal or haram ? what a stupid argument rocky.

  • You are lying Pakwheels never blocked any such pix

  • Pix lie, users in fourms lie? Hahahahhaa

  • Sahar

    Seems like Pak wheels have gone mad after Honda , Jinab kabhi dosre brands pa bhi review dijye

  • Guest

    You suspect they have hired a firm?
    Or you have evidence?

    I mean I am also suspicious why suddenly so many people have grown who are bashing PW Blog and supporting Atlas Civic X, therefore I “suspect” some foul play.

    It is funny how all those people are basing their results on how they own “one” Civic X and that specific specimen does not have any of the problems discussed above, even ignoring the facts like Fazal Wahab is one of the senior bloggers, unlike some of the kids who write personal opinions.

    The article is well-balanced, simplifies technical details of welding and durability for average person, has evidence (photographs) to support the content, and has overall commentary on how car companies work (and how they should work), discussion about manufacturing process, and in decent language hoping well that Atlas can overcome their quality problems soon.

    It is funny how those people who claim to have spent 3 mn rupees on Honda are bashing something that is for their own benefit.

    Fazal Wahab left Pakistan a long time ago as we learnt from his forum posts. Educated person (specially engineer, doctor) has no future in Pakistan as the whole nation is terribly hostile towards professionals, even go to the extent to murder them. I am sure Fazal Wahab would not be regretting his decision to leave Pakistan once and for all.

    جاہل قوم ہیں، جہالت کو پسند کرتے ہیں، جہالت کو فروغ دیتے ہیں، اچھّا ھے اٹلس والے انھیں زیادہ پیسوں میں گھٹیا معیار والی گاڑی دے بلکہ روزانہ 20 جوتے بھی مارے تو یہ خوشی خوشی لگوائیں گے اور اپنے ہی بھلے کی بات کرنے والے پہ گالیاں اور الزام تراشی کریں گے۔

  • rocky

    On all these forums biggest car blog of our region is active , practical show room ja k ya court ja k sue karen if product looks flawed , or may be itne guts nahe

  • junaid

    yea they should file a law suit i gues and vice versa if blog feels brand has done something wrong

  • Ameera

    I dont agree with this negative image. My friend bougth this car. Its a realllllyyyyyy a good one. Nd he is very much satisfying with his new ride.

  • amir ali

    Is this genuinely what we call a ‘blog’?

    Pakwheels is now using cheap publicity stunts like Qandeel Baloch etc.

    Stop misleading the nation. Pakwheels should have blog officers that can verify this kind of blog strictly. You’re wagging a war against a billion dollars company and you think you’re doing good?
    Go get a life sir!

  • Fazal Wahab

    humm .. I THINK Atlas should file a law suit if its wrongful info.. We have presented our opinion in form of an article.. Atlas have full right to share his opinion.. maybe on their own facebook page.

  • zargham ahmad

    the new Honda civic is one of the best cars ever produced by the company both interior and exterior wise. the car has given us new and first time ever features in Pakistan, which by far are a great success in Pakistani local automobile…

  • Mustafa

    Fazal Bhai im very sorry if i hurt your feelings but i feel that pakwheels have been sort of too harsh , dear the thing is that when ever prototypes are being made there you find flaws but personal i dont think any customer would accept a car which is this much flawed, so bashing a brand like this seems unfair. Please also go to show room, make a live video and see if these flaws exist in customer copy . all truth will be reviled. I respect your opinion too but still do consider an honest opinion from a user whose using the car

  • Fazal Wahab

    humm. you know spreading fake pics that too of a company like Honda can land you in a law suit of defamation? Make your better judgment next time. If its false.. Honda Atlas should file a suit via their law team. Also I wish you did read the last para of the article.. here what the owner say read it. https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/civic/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club-11#post5161790

  • Guest

    Just because your friend is satisfied does not mean others who did not get a good enough sample should be shut up.

  • Guest

    “Jinab” reviews on each and every car are there, such as FAW V2, XP-V, X80, Corolla when it was launched, Fortuner, City, Wagon-R, Swift etc. Try using the search function.

  • Usman Javed

    well im not sure of whats happening behind the scene but as far as i’ve seen new honda, theres nothing wrong in it. The above pics doesn’t clearly shows whether if its honda or some other car PLUS there always another side of the pic and the story…the issues showed in the pics could have been created to defame the brand or been paid by the competitor to do so.

  • Jamal

    Any user who bought the car wants to show to friends and relatives that its a cool thing, and the model i got has none of these flaws, even if you want me to take pics and send i can do that but now because of negative campaign by one blog people doubt it. How ever the model i got is perfect, for more satisfaction pak wheels i can offer to show you my model. it is 100% perfect

  • Guest

    This is not the opinion of the writer. It is the summary of long long threads in PW forum.

    You are talking about “prototypes” (I think you do not know about engineering design process otherwise you won’t have used this term). It is also true that the same Atlas has produced “showroom samples” and has sold cars to customers and all of them did not have the same quality problems. Examples of others car made by Atlas are City (current gen and 2 previous gens), Civic since 1994 (dolphin, EK9, Prosmatec, Reborn, 9th gen), they did not have same problems.

  • Fazal Wahab

    I hope you read the last para with open eyes again ; here it is

    “Again I would like to emphasis that these issues presented here are random problems and you may or may not find it on each and every car but the problem areas are still there on number of cars. Few owners even overlooked these things and took deliveries in the excitement of getting a new car.

    These minor things do matter as far as the overall quality of a car is concerned. The article is also an effort to enlighten potential buyers or people who already got delivery of their new 2016 Civic. Its much easier to fix these issues at source so that the customers don’t get effected.

    I am hopeful Honda Pakistan will look into this matter and would be working hard to rectify these visible issues on its end. Because all these visible problems push us to think about all unknowns or hidden fixtures and fittings and there quality as well. Once a buyer gets a car after spending a huge amount of money, he expects a top class quality in return. There can always be shortcoming and it does happen with even high end luxury brands. It matters how the assembler/carmaker or for that matter any producer takes customers feedback to resolve any issues.”

  • Guest

    You are right, if 1000 samples came out of the factory, and one sample was good and did not have the problems, does not mean the remaining 999 were also devoid of problems.

    So please enjoy your ride and let the other 999 have a voice.

  • Guest

    Defame the brand? How? Do you think it is even possible when people have already given 5 bn rupees before even knowing what they would get?

  • Guest

    This is funny you are talking because the fit and finish of EK9 and Prosmatec (7th) was not there even in Reborn and 9th gen. Even the paint quality has worsened by the time Reborn was introduced but not this drastic drop.

  • Guest

    What do you call a ‘blog’?

    Cheap publicity stunts like whom? The people you are talking about and coming up with an exmaple, how is PW blog’s “stunts” similar to them? Nudes? Porns? Sexually suggestive talks?

  • jamal

    lol guest apna naam tu bta den or its pak wheels hahahahahahahaha 🙂

  • Guest :P

    Fazal sb its mean u have checked 999 cars :O

  • Shafiq

    The case could also be the opposite. maybe there were only 1…. no lets say there were 100 wrong. but the remaining might be right. why not give them credits for introducing some new features that no one else had the guts to do do.

  • Jamal

    so they have a paid guest avoiding to disclose name and is replying only on behalf of the brand, lol

  • Guest

    You said you are a customer of “Honda Civic”. Honda is the name of the company and Civic is the name of the product.

    You have craftily avoided to tell which model Civic you own. Of course if you own the new Civic X you have owned it for less than a week, it is still honeymoon period, wishful thinking will get the better of you and you could not find the flaws. And less than 2 weeks is a small period to “find” flaws.

    And you may as well be the “customer” of Reborn, Prosmatec or 9th gen which by far had the best build quality among the local car assemblers.

  • Sahar

    Thanks guest

  • Guest

    rocky it is funny that you ask others to go to “showroom” or court and sue. Sue for what? What quality standards have been implemented through government regulation?

    How can somebody sue someone in a “showroom”? Your enlightenment will be well appreciated.

  • Muhammad Siddiq kashmiri

    who is lying who is not , time will proove, let the car go in market and see the results

  • Guest

    You have poor knowledge of law in Pakistan.

    Pakistan has strong laws about libel and defamation, but no laws in particular for quality standards. It depends, those who have nothing, only have respect. Since most Pakistanis have nothing to boast of, they are always pre-occupied with maintaining their image and “respect” and use lawyer’s notices about how someone tried to “defame” them.

  • Guest

    So you are basing your opinion on the single specimen you have?

    Other specimens have issues, kindly let them have their voice too.

  • Guest

    Do you have any common sense?

    Pakwheels have no business of car manufacturing. How is Atlas even a competitor?

    Monopoly? Do you even know the meaning of monopoly?

  • Fazal Wahab

    so you think its not honda Civic.. and why I will post something from other car.. we have a due process. all blogs are counter checked.. and I have all the pictures in full resolution. share your email you will get it.

  • Fazal Wahab

    Here is what owner say http://bit.ly/2aFtQDi and do check the complete thread here Here is what other owner say https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/civic/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club

  • rocky

    no bro dint mean tht, it was infered from wht the orgional guy commented, i love mehran and bmw and civic walay bhi halal money sa buy karte hain, bus yahan honda walon pa attack kya hai inhon ne

  • Guest

    A person who just visited the showroom for window-shopping and did not find any obvious defects is much different from a person who invested loads of money and then got a faulty product.

    A person who invested 2-3 minutes or 2-3 days just looking at something is much different from a person who is living with his/her personally owned car.

    Whose word is to be trusted more? The window shopping person or the owner?

  • Fazal Wahab

    I will you can read the article till last para.. It says ” Again I would like to emphasis that these issues presented here are random problems and you may or may not find it on each and every car but the problem areas are still there on number of cars. Few owners even overlooked these things and took deliveries in the excitement of getting a new car.

    These minor things do matter as far as the overall quality of a car is concerned. The article is also an effort to enlighten potential buyers or people who already got delivery of their new 2016 Civic. Its much easier to fix these issues at source so that the customers don’t get effected.

    I am hopeful Honda Pakistan will look into this matter and would be working hard to rectify these visible issues on its end. Because all these visible problems push us to think about all unknowns or hidden fixtures and fittings and there quality as well. Once a buyer gets a car after spending a huge amount of money, he expects a top class quality in return. There can always be shortcoming and it does happen with even high end luxury brands. It matters how the assembler/carmaker or for that matter any producer takes customers feedback to resolve any issues.”

    .. do check out some more opinion from owners here https://www.pakwheels.com/…/c…/273858-civic-x-owners-fan-club

  • Mustafa

    Well i did read over it but still i feel that with this , an impression is being made that car has so many issues and very sorry if that has offended dint mean that, sorry again bro

  • Guest

    Dear Ammar Ahmad, you went twice to the showroom to check a new car. Instead of glancing at the overall look, you immediately opened the door and looked in the door jamb for obvious signs of poor quality welding. Then, you did not find obvious signs of poor quality welding, so you came to PW Blog to denounce their article.

    Which potential customer would immediately focus on door jambs instead of some other parts such as interior, gadgets, steering wheel, seating position, and others?

    Just because you went to the showroom and the particular specimen present there were flawless does not mean that other specimen seen by other people were not flawless. Stop opposing the result of journalistic research composed of the details of multiple samples and the input of multiple people on the basis of your personal experience with one or two specimen you casually glanced at only twice.

  • Omar Farooq

    One thing I don’t get is how the hell can people be so stupid to preorder without even seeing it first and when it comes out they feel cheated I mean look around you man you’re letting yourself be cheated. Pakistani people are a weird bunch, rather than following examples set by educated people in developed countries and press the government to implement consumer right laws and stop these tyrants they’re defending them! It shows we have no unity and we deserve to be ripped off by companies and politicians alike.

  • Guest

    Sir drives a Volga, but what he said can be witnessed in the comments of the previous few articles about Civic X.

  • rocky

    So Guest is an engineer 🙂

  • Guest

    It can be called an institutional grudge, but why does it “seem” to you that they have grudge? Care telling us?

  • Guest

    So only the people who pay from halal money should care about quality?

    Regardless of whether the customer earned money from halal whether haram means, the product delivered should be commensurate to the amount of money paid.

    The service/product provider cannot say that dear customer because we assume you earned your money through haram means therefore we will give you a poor quality product.

  • Guest again

    “Prototyping” is not done only in engineering.

    Statisticians also know about engineering design process, so do doctors and other health-related professionals.

    Try to broaden your horizon.

  • Mustafa

    sorry again bro but i stand by my words, u have freedom to share ur views so do v but purpose is never to hurt the writers, i personally encourage people to write but also give some time and see more cars , also let users decide

  • Guest again

    I think I should clarify it to you. Other carmakers are making equally poor-quality cars (examples are Mehran), but there is great hullabaloo over Civic X’s problems because people’s expectations were broken.

    People were anxiously awaiting the new features and were ready to give credit to Atlas (if you remember, Atlas has previously always introduced new features, such as CVT in Steermatic, iDSI, they were the first one to come up with EFI). However it turned out that for:

    1) high price,
    2) features were less than comparably or less priced Civic X in other countries, AND
    3) build quality was poorer than other comparable cars (City is also manufactured by Atlas and its build quality is better than Civic X) in the market built by local assemblers, AND

    4) build quality was also much, much lower than previous track record of Atlas themselves

    Therefore we can say that Atlas took 2 steps forward by introducing new features while they took 10 steps backward by failing to live up to their own build quality standard (the reputation they themselves had built over the last 20 years).

    All this hullabaloo is because customers’ expectations over an eagerly awaited product were broken – whereas someone who goes to buy a Mehran already has his/her mind set as to what to expect.

  • Shafiq

    Dear sir,

    let me tell you about some new features that were introduced.
    1) ABS+VSA
    2) HSA
    3) push start
    4) remote engine start
    5) ESS
    6) Electronic push brake
    7) DRL

    and most of all 1.5 turbo. I think we should at least thank them for introducing new things and encourage them to do s in future. but what we can see is only that the minor issues that went wrong in some cars i guess.

  • Muhammad Zunair

    What i have heard is that the faulty pieces were prototypes and as we all know proto types are not perfect! So it is wrong to point finger at anything yet!

  • roony

    what you have heard and what is being delivered are miles apart. Some of these pictures are delivered cars to the customers.

  • Guest

    So you are believing in “hearsay”?

    Prototypes are prototypes, and they are made in the R&D lab. As the Civic X is American model, it makes sense to assume all of their prototypes were in USA, in the design studio, not on the showroom floor.

    Prototypes are always well hidden from the eyes of the public as they contain patent-worthy stuff and companies which perform R&D are really careful about protecting their IP (Intellectual Property). There is a reason why even production model cars are camouflaged during testing before their release, and camouflaged production models are way ahead of the prototyping stage.

    Atlas has no reason to have a prototype. They are not R&D partners neither they hold any patents or IP. They only have a license for assembling (and partial localization) for which they pay royalty to Honda Japan. The car was already a successful model being built and sold elsewhere in million of numbers, another point it is unreasonable to expect Atlas to have a prototype.

    And prototypes can have lots of new features but old-school welding is not a new feature or newly developed technology which can go wrong in some places.

    If you have had chance to work in prototyping, you would know that prototypes are usually scale models. And that build quality is most important part of the prototyping as the scientists who are poring over the process do not want their testing to fail or the result to go awry because of a small quality-related problem.

    Conclusion of the story:
    1. Prototypes have better build quality than everything, because it is a laboratory process and there is too much R&D budget at stake. You cannot afford to let your testing specimen break apart due to small quality problems.
    2. You have no knowledge of what you are writing, so please only listen and read, once you know your stuff, then start writing and speaking.

  • Guest

    While you mentioned that the car you got had none of “these” flaws, makes us wonder whether your specific sample had some other flaws which you have not mentioned.

    You also mention that you bought the car for showing to relatives and friends that it is a cool thing, makes us wonder whether you bought the car for personal use or to show-off.

    And then you say that people doubt it because of what you assume is a “negative campaign” by one blog. What do people doubt? Your word? Or the build quality?
    Are you admitting in public that people are taking the blog’s word over yours? You have a lot of courage, we need more people who are this humble.

    I am sure by the chassis number it can be estimated which serial number is your vehicle off the assembly line. You can offer your car to the PW Blog and they could (my guess, I don’t know how they work, but in the name of fairness they should) come up with an article about how after assembling ____ number of vehicles, Atlas have improved their quality if welding and fit & finish of plastic parts.

  • Guest yet again

    Thanks for the list.

    Atlas can take no credit for the new features, as their only contribution is to “introduce” the new features. The reason of introducing the new features has been discussed before that it takes R&D to “remove” features which come as standard in the rest of the world, and that in Pakistan we do not have that level of R&D even to remove the features.

    Atlas has limited control over the above features and the equipment for those features is installed as received from (presumably) Japan.

    On the other hand, welding and fit of plastic parts is something pretty basic and that is something Atlas has control over. Atlas have been providing cars with perfect welds over the past 20 years, such as dolphin Civic, EK9 6th gen, Prosmatec 7th gen, Reborn 8th gen, then the 9th gen, along with 3 generations of City (even the current generation of City), so there is no reason they should not be able to get the welds and plastic fit right in the first time.

    Therefore it is 2 steps ahead because a few of the features have been imported from Honda Japan (in other countries even more features are available, you may know better than me the features that are lacking in Atlas’ Civic X),
    and 10 steps back as they cannot even do perfectly what they have been doing for the past many years.

  • Guest again

    Don’t see who is saying.

    See what is being said.

    The personal identity of guest is not important at all. BTW there are many guests on PW Blog as the commenting system gives an option “I’d rather post as a guest”. And there are many people who’d rather post as a guest due to reasons of their own.

  • Another guest

    You can check the paltry amount of money they pay to the bloggers by going to the Write for Us page.
    Then you can imagine what amount of money they would pay to any commenters you are speculating are “paid guests”.

    Or – if you think the commenters are paid by PW Blog, why not become such a commenter yourself? Soon you may be “maalamaal”!

  • guest

    dear it means u admit they r deliberately bashing one brand

  • aliqadri

    Best time to buy chinese cars …. you wont find them different …

  • aliqadri

    well said … “the reason of introducing the new features has been discussed before that as it takes R&D to “remove” features which come as standard in the rest of the world,”

  • Fazal Wahab

    Dear sir.. those all features were part of engine and ECU as imported.. Atlas could not remove it.. Now read this and let me share how many standard features were removed from the same car https://www.pakwheels.com/blog/pakistani-honda-civic-2016-a-featureful-or-a-featureless-civic/

  • Hashim Rasheed

    i’ve visited two different showrooms in faisalabad at different two different dates. Most of these issues were actually present in the models shown there. It was not just one flawed car, i’ve seen atleast three cars with the same welding issue + bad leather stitching in interior + bad interior fittings or you can say gaps in fittings . . today i saw the cheapest model of civic for the first time . . was looking good . . but when i opened its trunk and direct light was focused onto it, i was really disappointed to see the low quality of paint finish.

    This is a fact atleast for now that honda civic 10th generation is quite bad in fit and finish even if compared to 9th generation civic.

    I don’t know why this has happened but i think honda must focus on this issue as this kind of backlash causes hatred towards the brand (people start feeling that the company doesn’t care about us at all)

    2.5 million to 3.0+ million is a huge amount to pay and the customers deserves a great quality car.

    at this moment altis grande has better fit and finish than honda civic. ( altough ive seen a lot of corollas with unbalanced tail lights)

    honda just needs to compare this civic to the previous ones they’ve built.

  • Hassan

    Honda has always been the best brand, a brand that everyone looks unto, so these allegations doesn’t effect them they have got the best car award for the year 5 times so it doesn’t matter what people say we support Honda!!

  • Fazal Wahab

    Awards does not mean they cant make mistakes.. people have been stripped from their Olympic medals.. and what you means by allegations. If these are allegations Honda Atlas should come forward with counter argument of filing a law suit of defamation and damages.. But they will not because there are issues. I have several text messages in which dealers actually confirmed to customers that there are weld issues.. meanwhile. I wish you checkout PW forum section where a dozen member shared their displeasure on the quality issues. PW don’t make allegation. If you have evidence you must present because you also know the new cyber law..

    Meanwhile do read the comment below this my reply.. you will get your answers…

  • Fazal Wahab

    Juts to clarify.. I don’t write for money for PW. I write and present for my passion and love for PW and have over 200 blogs on PW and never charged a penny. Thankx

  • Waleed Ahmed

    Yea! Best Brand in the whole World, I Would totally agree!!! But!!

    Atlas isn’t, They’re just greedy profit makers who just keep their eyes on the prize(People’e Pocket) not on the Quality control & Customer care for their money!!!
    You people have surely become Blind, Deaf & Dumb where you like, that’s why you can’t see the Pathetic Finish of your So Called High Class Award Manufacturing…

  • Xain Shah

    ok to be honest, die heat Honda FAN, but literally the one thing that gave honda the upper hand is just missing at least in the display cars ! I saw the car personally on the display and it was a let down. I hope they raise their game that is what all the articles are asking Honda to do ! Fazal wahab ko do nafal ka sawab nhn mil jana honda ki bisti kar kai

  • Waleed Ahmed

    Dude, If someone pays 30million++ & A Big Own on Booking “Tu Usay Takleef tu ho gee” Atlas walon ka ye buhat dair sy wateera hai, Or Janay do Zyada Dramay mut lagiye Hazoor” Being too harsh, Big 3 have been cry babies for soo many years, they’re here for decades & this is the Quality we get???

    No one criticized 8th or 9th Gen like that!!!! Are people are soo stupid????

  • Waleed Ahmed

    Dear Fazal Wahab!

    An avid blog real reader here,

    Please do write an article on difference between the Honda Motor Co., Ltd. & Atlas Honda Ltd, If you can, Because whatever article I have seen about civic or any other honda vehicle they defend on the basis of the Brand, Of course Honda is a great brand in other countries but here in Pakistan, it don’t deserve even a bit to be called as a Honda, I have a got tired of writng that stop defending your low class vehicles in the Name of Real HONDA Quality that is being provided in Japan or USA for instance.

  • Waleed Ahmed

    & by the pattern of comments on almost every Atlas Honda article, one can easily guess that their is a whole marketing team of Atlas people whose sole duty is to defend their vehicles on PW or any social media, So, May be it’s not fruitful/time wasting to reason with them, because they’ll defend it no matter what, after all they get paid for this!!

    A real sound minded user or Honda Lover aren’t soo happy about the Price or at-least the Quality/Value of money they’re getting in return.

  • Zuhaib Khan

    Mr Wahab has done an excellent job in writing up on BOTH the pros and cons of a particular product (Civic X). I think the people who are taken aback or defending Civic X are unfortunately a picture of our collective thinking process. We hate or don`t bother to raise our voice when something or someone is treated unfairly unless its ourselves that is been affected. We are still in an early phase of recognizing what our rights and responsibilities are as a customer and consumer. I would say that its also reflected in our political affiliations and selection unfortunately, but lets keep it to just this case here and now.

    First up those who have got cars that are well built, congratulations people. You seem to be the lucky ones kyu ke it would have been you crying out unfair otherwise and someone else saying, don`t be a cry baby.

    Those who are saying its prototype… Bhai jaan prototype logo ko nahi baychi jatii, its experimental, which means you are the test dummy?! This models already being launched in Pakistan with delay of almost 1 yr I think. Look up whats a prototype then we can talk, or accept that the term was used mistakenly.

    Those who are saying itna kuch day dia shukar karo… bhai phir aap Mehran lay kr shukar karo warnah 50 saal pehlay to kia 30 saal pehlay bhi nahi hoti thi woh to( haan 25 saal pehlay mayray khayal mein zaroor thi… aur ab tuk hay, shukar karo!!! Sorry for being sarcastic but I can fathom your level of comprehension. Don`t take it personally bhayo, think about it, most likely you have only dreamt of owning a Civic just because, Its what you heard someone buys when he has made it, as a status symbol maybe? and you can`t comprehend the fact that lesser known brands world over are offering more than this (or at least this) for an even lesser price.

    Mercedes to nahi khareedi jo itna rona ro rahay ho, bhai North Korea ya Somalia ke koi do number company ke bhi khareedi gaadi hoti to us pr bhi aap ka right hay. Its a global company Honda and its making money from you not giving these cars in charity, jis nay mehnat say kamai key hay then its his right to demand at least equal AND MORE! Aap apnay aap ko susta baychna chahtay ho woh alag baat hay phir. maybe you have some insurance that will cover you in a mishap that was result of a poor weld or rust. Yeh seat belts bhi pehlay nahi hoti thi, gaddian to chalti he thi, ab bhi 90% Pakistan mein chal rahi hain, Ithink 75% of the population abhi bhi traffic warden ke dar say he lagati hay warnah fazool cheez hay, jub waqt likha hay… bhaii air bags are just 2 leave the other stuff. Yeh to aur zaroori tha as we already agree that seat belts are useless, Ghubaray to honay chayay naa? ya nahi ?

    Or maybe you think imperfections are part and parcel of our daily life like lying , cheating, stealing… rishwat, dakka, waghaira, sub chalta, janay do, Pakistan hay yeh bhaii, Amrika nahi… Agar sub chalta hay aap ke liyay to alag baat hay bhai, jin ke liyay nahi chal raha unh ko kyu rok rahay ho?

    Agar koi lay raha Indus say payment to laynay do, aap bhi lay lo agar itna aasan kaam hay. Yaa agar aap defend kr rahay ho actual FAULTS ko to kia aap ko Atlas walo nay koi vaada kia hay? Aik City saath mil jaye ge kia?!

    Just take out a calculator and got through the list of things Mr Fazal has mentioned found in Civic X and see what it costs. Don`t sell yourself short, compare with USDM model. If you are supposed to pay for something more than what they are paying then you should get at least the SAME! or is the equation not supposed to be so? Don`t bring in Government taxes please these are Excuses… I am talking about LED lights for example, bhai yeh to kum he tax layti? kia khayal hay? Kyu?! bhai LED to energy saver hay naa!!! is ko to promote kr rahi hay Hakumat!! Yehi lagga dia hota head lights mein… :P… (I hope this sarcasm gets noted)

    I would have loved to rant back to all the LAME excuses people have made in defending this product. But the real point I would like people to note is to encourage all those affected to make a group and have your voice be heard. Don`t receive your cars unless you properly inspect it at the dealership and keep a video record of it. Mention your reservations at the time of receiving in the videos. Make videos with your cellphones and post these on youtube, fb and social media elsewhere. The higher ups in Honda/ ATLAS hear the dissatisfaction and complaints. If there is a sizable number then a group action lawsuit can be initiated as well against ATLAS if they fail to remedy the complaints.
    Bhai Pakistan ho ya US, jis nay mehnat say 30 lakh kamain hay ya 30, us ka Haq hay awaz utthana Na insaafi ke khilaf. You deserve better.
    You are literally being robbed yet when someone is calling out the culprits you are not listening to the facts. Its not just Civic X and Honda, its ALL the manufacturers.

    If some or any number of flaws are seen or heard is it not the right of someone who has payed 3.0 million plus for a car that should have cost in fact 2.5 with the number of features that have been eaten up by Atlas, take 10 minutes and search 1.5 turbo full specs or top of the line Civic… get what he paid for? Is anyone asking the people who have got a car thats OK for them to stand in a picket and protest on behalf of others? If 1 in 100 cars is faulty, is it not the right of the one in 100 to be corrected or he should just take whats being dolled out to him because the 99 others are OK? and mind you that even if 1 in 100 is flawed, then do your maths with increasing number more are affected. Do these people have no right to get something that would ideally cost lesser with BETTER quality? mein phir kaho gaa ke aap agar behtar nahi jantay ho to jo janta hay us ko sun to lo! Kia jaata hay aap ka? (Resale value kia gir rahi hay aap ke gaadi ke?)

  • Zulfiqar Ali Soomro

    What a stupid comment by this guy. Prototypes ki kabse mass production honay lagi? They are meant for labs not roads that is why they are called Prototypes. My stupid-detector level is off the charts :p

  • istafa111

    Fazal Bhai has made the picture crystal clear and has left it on the consumers to decide what they want to do with their money. Whether the car is worth 3 Million is a different question because to me, we DO NOT have a single option available in Pakistan that is worth its money and we have pretty much adjusted to this fact. Whether it be a Mehran worth 0.7 Million or an imported JDM Land Cruiser worth 20 Million; they are not worth the price if we compare the prices they have in other countries. Leave Honda Civic, to me, the best seller Honda Accord IS NOT worth 9.7 Million Rupees at all as well. For this thing, I would blame the government and their policies for putting so much taxes that we the people have to buy something for the price that is not justified.

    Coming to the much hyped Civic; it is indeed sad to see the level of quality. I would have yawned if it was some other vehicle but being a Honda owner since day one, it is indeed a disappointment. With such quality and price tag, I think no one should be making fun of Kizashi for its price. At least the quality and finish speaks for itself. So it is not about NOT buying the new Civic at all but it is about making much noise that they are forced to improve their quality for the upcoming units.

    The initial models of Honda have always gone through rough times. I have never been in the favor of buying the initial year models because they are the ones that have all the issues. The later models are the refined ones. Even the initial models of our beloved 8th Gen. (Reborn) had recalls for Power Steering Feed Pipe.

    So, I am still hopeful that Honda will overcome these issues and will give me a reason to look forward to it since I fell in love with this car when I saw it’s initial leaked pictures.

  • Zulfiqar Ali Soomro

    bhai Honda ko award milay hain Atlas ko nahin. The car assembled by Honda Atlas is totally different from the one that has actually won hearts and awards all over the world + it is not what you are getting for your money over here currently. I hope all the issues are resolved!

  • Bilal

    Please share the pics with proof that they were at that show room

  • Bilal

    So we have seen a blog is dedicated to bash only Honda and solely focus is on criticizing, all i can say to public is , let the car come in market and let the public decide, i wonder why people are not giving much importance to defame campaign by blog and its paid bloggers , since we have seen an entire group of people is dedicated to constantly attack the brand again and again on all forums they have. eventually it seems like they have some personal grudge

  • Fatima

    I agree with bilal, last i checked my brother had to pay 3 lac rupees on for getting this car and it seemed absolutely fine so yes certain people who are bashing the car, if they are given this car as gift , they will welcome it with open arms, so its a shame why we have such hypocrisy in our society. Great job done by car fans and people who have love for this car

  • Samreen

    previously we had seen journalists used to blackmailing tactics now in modern era it will be done on digital platforms , any person who willingly bought the car would hate to see any one bashing his/her newly purchased car, yes of they find it flawed they wont bring it home in any case because all consumers have common sense

  • guest

    Fazal bhai why dont you take them to court if u know about law so much

  • casimpk

    seeing a lot of comments defending Atlas Honda!!! whao, really??? lol

    guys, most of them are these “content writers” from these digital ad agencies! They create FB pages, then create fake profiles, then post fake comments in praise of the product just to mislead the consumers! Do not believe in them, better check out the car yourself, see how good or bad it is.

    & i’m saying this because i personally know people who are working in these digital agencies who provide such services to these greedy corporations. beware.

  • Guest again

    Because the law related to libel, defamation and slander is strong because we have a long history of oppression of free speech, coming straight through colonial times.

    Whereas the laws for consumer protection and quality of product/service are really weak.

  • Guest again

    You please share your pics with your proofs.

  • Fatima

    agreed best thing to do is to check out the car , and fans are crazy for honda and toyota or any brand they follow, bloggers can do their job, fans can do there job let the music play.
    Fans are never paid but bloggers are

  • casimpk

    People/consumers need to file complaints directly to Honda, not Atlas Honda, on their official pages & emails, against Atlas group. I think it is high time people voice their concerns against these companies that have been ripping consumers for over 2 decades & giving us mediocre product. Unfortunately we accepted their poor quality & compromised, & it is time to stop compromising over it.

  • Guest again

    They got a best award a million times, but then refused to give all that “best” to the Pakistani consumer.
    And now the Pakistani consumer is indignant. Understand?

  • casimpk

    Pakistani assembled cars have always been inferior in quality. & everybody knows that. This is no secret.

  • fatima

    So i should import when i have to buy a car ?

  • fatima

    margin of improvement is always there 🙂

  • Guest again

    Actually Atlas used to be one of the better assemblers, as seen by their previous products. Things started going downhill around 5 years ago, but it was still better than the other assemblers. But now is the limit.

  • casimpk

    you want consumers to be quiet & pay millions to these thieves for an inferior product? lol

    which ad agency you are from btw? you are actually failing at it big time since consumers voice doesn’t align with your strategy of painting the “good image” of Atlas group lol.

  • Farhan

    yar lagta hai yahan kisi baat ki koi credibility nahe , sab paid hai, jo defend kr rahay hain inko dfend karne ka theka mila hai, jo bura bhala keh rahay hain inhay bhi theka mila hai k honda ko bura kahen, this place has lost its credibility, both sides have biased opinions

  • Guest again

    Depends, people who already have many cars at home, will not take delivery.

    But people who are hard pressed for transportation/commute needs in place where public transport is a joke will accept even if they are subject to lashings along with the car.

  • Guest again

    The car has already come in the market.

    And the people had already decided by paying 5 bn rupee to Atlas even before the car had come in the market. And after all the hype & expectation, this is what they got.

  • casimpk

    yes, WAS better than the 2 other Pakistani assemblers, but they should be setting international standards by now, specially after being here for 30 years! still getting cheap products is what amazes me. should open the auto manufacturing market completely, or at least in phases.

  • fatima

    well consumers should voice there opinions , and buyers should quit using the car if its not worth it again if you can afford to import a car does not mean every one can

  • fatima

    and its you infact who want consumers to quit giving opinion not me , all buyers should from here on post a picture with there new Honda civic purchased so world can know what it is.along side all its details

  • Mustafa

    yea but still i believe its going to be the best car locally manufactured, time will tell

  • Guest again

    Depends. It should make financial sense.

    Buying a 7 lac Mehran with the same flaws is acceptable. Buying a 3 mn Civic X is not.

  • Guest

    so law, honda , civic , courts every one is wrong only guest again and paid bloggers are right lol

  • Zulfiqar Ali Soomro

    8th gen surely was. I hope this will be too.

  • Bilal

    Guest again i am not the one making any claims here, but who is making claims must provide the proof

  • Samreen

    So people are to blamed, if u dont voice against the wrong then u deserve it or may be there is nothing wrong or consumers totally blow away the brand and they should

  • fatima

    fair enough

  • Guest again

    Buyers should quit and then do what? Walk? Fly? What other options are there?

    You are talking about what is described as “perfect market” in the books. When there is perfect competition with lots of buyers and lots of sellers.

    Customers are in dire need of commute options, even if the carmakers beat them with sticks for buying the car, people will be forced to. In such scenario, we need voices in the society which promote fair treatment by foreign companies.

    That’s all: foreign companies should treat Pakistani consumer better. Just the way they treat their customers in other countries better. We demand nothing special, just equality.

  • Guest again

    Are the buyers your personal slaves that you are telling them what to do?
    Why should they bear the responsibility of posting pics? Why? Just because they bought the car, now they should defend it too?

  • Guest again

    Now that this place has lost its credibility, there is a gap in the market. You, Sir, are welcome to bridge it.

    Most people here have fair opinion, including the writer of the article. people have said that Atlas has been providing better products previously, and they hope that Atlas is going to improve their manufacturing process too. The tone of article is also similarly positive.

    I don’t know what you would want to trust anybody. Maybe you would want to explain?

  • Guest again

    So you think consumer exploitation is OK if consumer has some compulsion because of person?

    Only consumer should voice against the exploitation, but if some others such as government, or 4th pillar of the state aka journalism raises voice against, then you feel it is wrong?

  • Guest yet again

    Instead of deciding who’s wrong and right, just sit in the classroom like little baby and increase your knowledge about what’s happening. why is it happening in the way you do not understand.

    You have a long way to go to develop your skills before you start deciding about the stalwarts.

  • Mustafa

    meet more owners, spend some more time and write and article again, i plan to buy it in January and would definitely take individual review from you if i can in any way i could contact you. If truly faulty pieces are coming out , i wont buy other wise the perception i have, this will be my first choice

  • Guest again

    What sort of authority you have to ask for the proof?
    Or you want to say that you won’t believe until proof is there?

    on the other hand, it is not an isolated issue, what is under discussion is public knowledge, there are lots of proofs, you just need to visit the Honda showroom near your house/office.

  • farhan

    yar pori guftugu paro , panipat ki jang lag rahe hai isliye keh ra hun yahan do biased kisam k log hain, ankhon dekhe pa hi yakeen karenge hum tau

  • Samreen

    lifafa journalism ?

  • Bilal

    lets see what i get dude only then i will know

  • guest

    fazal bhai should be made the president of pak wheels lolx

  • Guest again

    The assistance you needed to make your decision has already been provided through PW Blog. Now the writer is not your personal slave that you ordering him to “meet more owners”, “spend more time”, and come up with another article that suits your personal timeline.
    And then you would take individual review from him too. Why don’t you do your homework on your own?
    Your arrogance is noteworthy.

  • Guest again

    Sure, if you get a car with better build quality, you can make a thread on PW forum. By that time, hopefully Atlas will overcome the problems as a result of the pressure put on them by PW Blog, as PW Blog is acting as the consumer’s voice in a society where the welfare gives a damn about anything except their own VIP protocol.

    To reiterate, if you get a better quality car, please make a thread on PW forums to show the improvements, and then also thank the PW Blog for being the consumer’s voice, otherwise you would have gotten that same junk the early-adopters got.

  • Guest again

    You’ll have to support your point with supporting arguments.

  • Guest again

    Not only have I read the whole conversation, I have written many comments myself.

    The conversation in comments section is going positively and in argumentative style, there is no گالم گلوچ which is a common scenario in Pakistan. Therefore we can that manners level of most PW Blog commenters is better than the average guy on the street.

    You are welcome to invest 3 mn rupees and buy the car. After you have invested this much, then you can see and believe.
    Another way is to go to your nearest Honda showroom and use your eyes (which is what you want to do) to check.

    But seriously, do you believe no one and check everything on your own, in every matter? Then why are you reading blogs in the first place? And you must be busy investing time on seeing everything with your own eyes to believe yourself, how do you even find time to do anything else at all?

  • Shafek Koreshe

    My Japan assembled 1990 Suzuki Swift (later assembled as Margalla) has a far better finish even now as compared to what they are selling for 3 million +. Pathetic. I personally pointed out the same flaws to the showroom people, but they had no answers. Even the showroom model had BULBS in rear lights. Horrible.

  • Zuhaib Khan

    Sorry but If You or I were given a bike as gift we would readily and happily accept it… What does accepting free gifts have to do with this matter?!

  • Hashim Rasheed

    i’m sorry sir i didn’t take any picture, i had read the article about the issue of fittings and finish before i went to see the cars and when i saw all that myself it felt 100% same (in all three cars i’ve seen) so it means that is a common issue. I personally pressed the plastic on the side of AC vent at driver side and it literally presses and shows the gap. There was no use of taking any picture as they will look exactly the same as in this article or the previous ones. I can only say that i have personally seen these issues with my own eyes. Although i love the exterior but its just not enough when you think about the over all finishing.

    And for the people who think it’s just a propaganda against atlast honda, please do visit the showroom yourself and you’ll find the truth. Atleast for the cars in both showrooms of Faisalabad i can verify that there were faulty cars in display on day one. Still are till 8th august.

  • Educating dumb Guests here

    in this country murderers dont get justice served to them then what is a car with weld issues? Dont act like you dont know the current condition of this country where even the prime minister has corruption cases on him pending… so the only logical, fast and effective way is to spread the word on social media and let the people decide (after watching heaps of proof and pictures presented)… this way the sales will decline soon and honda will come to its senses… and remember this after the initial hype is over and customers waiting for the car for a long time get it , the general public who buy the car over the period of five years will completely reject it until honda improves the issues. And you sure are defending honda like you are getting paid, instead of providing a valid argument you are responding in the common “jahil” way by making sense less statements. You really do need a reality check… are the pictures lying too? hondas showroom in ISB has stopped allowing cameras inside to avoid people from taking pictures of the problems and spreading it, if their cars were so good they would invite people to their showroom to take pictures and that would be proof of hondas innocence, but they dont…. you really are a dumb,low lifer on hondas payroll.

  • Waqas

    why would any foreign company start treating us better when we are not serious about improvements ourselves!
    is it so difficult to not buy the car for another 6 months and pressure Honda to recall the already assembled units and fix the gaps?

  • Waqas

    I doubt that the people who are pressed for transportation would be spending 3 million to buy a car…
    we need to be realistic & demand value for our money. if we don’t, no one else will for us..

  • rkk

    This is a great article and theres no exaggeration, its only the truth. We all love our hondas but this is unacceptable. You are paying so much for a new car and if this is the quality you are getting then whats the use. Besides dont they realize, people who will spend 30 lacs can even buy a vezel or a japanese car. Those doors look all dented. Theres so much space between bumper and bonet in some cars. Interior finish is also pathetic. For 30 lacs seriously! Awaam pagal hee hogi jou apnay paisay waste keray gee. Even corolla didnt give this bad quality this time. Shame on Honda.

  • Guest

    Do you understand the meaning of putting specific words in inverted commas?

  • rkk

    Such a nice shape and model and Honda ruined it becoz of its bad manufacturing.

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