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    Default alto vxr 05 gear noisy when cold...any solution?

    dear pw fellows.....
    please help me out in this regard...
    i have alto 05 model driven 127000km...
    but its driven with extreme care and updated maintainance...
    things req to be changed on 100k km had been also done in time...
    but facing 1 problem...its gear started making noise in this winter season from the start...
    its noisy for about half n hr and after that it disappears GEAR SHIFTING IS EASY AND NO ISSUE WITH RUUNING OF THE CAR EVEN WITH THIS NOISE AND COLD GEAR...but when the car is parked for about 2-3 hours again this noise appears from the gear..
    THINGS WHICH I HAVE DONE FOR THAT BUT NO CHANGE FOUND:
    OIL CHANGED WITH ZIC GEAR OIL TWICE....BUT NO CHANGE
    ADDED HALF KG GREESE MIXED IN ZIC OIL...BUT NO CHANGE
    THEN REPLACED THE ZIC OIL WITH LOCAL MADE GULF CL THICK OIL...BUT FOUND NO CHANGE...
    THEN REPLACED THE GEAR OIL AGAIN WITH LIQUI MOLY GEAR OIL AND ALSO ADDED ANTI FRICTION 50G TUBE ADDITIVE OF LIQUI MOLY IN IT BUT ....STIL FOUND NO CHANGE....
    PLEASE CAN ANY 1 HELP ME IN THIS REGARD....THANX
    SHOULD I GO FOR ALTO 660 JAP AUTO GEAR....CAN IT BE FITTED ON THIS 1000 PAKI ALTO?

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    Most suzuki cars have this problem.

    U need to slightly overfill the gear oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoodfriend View Post
    yeah look different but the inner story is almost same and common
    yep they are same from inside
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    Quote Originally Posted by revengez View Post
    Most suzuki cars have this problem.

    U need to slightly overfill the gear oil.
    yep 5 gears suzuki mostly have the same issue...but i dont agree with the over filling of oil...it is harmfulll for other things as i wrote before
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    ^^^ Is the problem taken care ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schehxad View Post
    yep 5 gears suzuki mostly have the same issue...but i dont agree with the over filling of oil...it is harmfulll for other things as i wrote before
    There is no harm in slightly overfilling - but need to overfill to the limit so gear box can breath easily, otherwise it will start leak.

    There is a liqui moly gear box additive which can be use to reduce friction when cold.

    Also it is better than using grease etc - it will reduce gear box life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamranAslam View Post
    ^^^ Is the problem taken care ?
    its improving with the daily running of the car that is around 50 to 60 km daily....
    also the weather is being changed and so....but after the 1st start in the morning or start after 5-6 hrs parked veh in any position...gear makes noises alot....in the mean time even with so much noise shifting of the gears is smooth in all gears and noise vanishes away in 20 - 25 min of drive or static/idle running....also the pick of the car is fine and improving after shifting to liqui moly gear oil.....
    yet the noise is still there
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    Quote Originally Posted by revengez View Post
    There is no harm in slightly overfilling - but need to overfill to the limit so gear box can breath easily, otherwise it will start leak.

    There is a liqui moly gear box additive which can be use to reduce friction when cold.

    Also it is better than using grease etc - it will reduce gear box life.
    slightly over filling of oil is directly related to the viscosity of oil....liqui moly which i filled in is slightly viscous oil...so i filled around 2.25litres to 2.5 litres....when it got over flow i stopped it from further filling and it was too slow proccess...took around 2 hrs for that....yes i also added anti friction gears liqui moly additive 50 grams tube in it.....
    yet the noise is still there.....but may improve around 2 weeks passed
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    Quote Originally Posted by schehxad View Post
    its improving with the daily running of the car that is around 50 to 60 km daily....
    also the weather is being changed and so....but after the 1st start in the morning or start after 5-6 hrs parked veh in any position...gear makes noises alot....in the mean time even with so much noise shifting of the gears is smooth in all gears and noise vanishes away in 20 - 25 min of drive or static/idle running....also the pick of the car is fine and improving after shifting to liqui moly gear oil.....
    yet the noise is still there

    I say get it replaced from any person who deals in scrap/parts or new cars accident spares.

    My Cultus did gave me a lil buzz on 5th gear,,,, went to my authorized dealer they reduced it but when Me alone and in 5th gear I hear the humming, my dealership says this is normal but I say no..... its something to be taken care.

    I might replace the whole gearshift from shersha or will follow a friends advice to get it repaired from a reputed desi shop on jailroad karachi...... not this month hopefully in the start of April.

    will be following your thread to get an idea for how we can come to solution of this glitch.

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    Default yes u r right...................

    [QUOTE=KamranAslam;3261911]I say get it replaced from any person who deals in scrap/parts or new cars accident spares.

    My Cultus did gave me a lil buzz on 5th gear,,,, went to my authorized dealer they reduced it but when Me alone and in 5th gear I hear the humming, my dealership says this is normal but I say no..... its something to be taken care.

    I might replace the whole gearshift from shersha or will follow a friends advice to get it repaired from a reputed desi shop on jailroad karachi...... not this month hopefully in the start of April.

    will be following your thread to get an idea for how we can come to solution of this glitch.

    brother thanks alot......for ur wishes and helpfull comments...
    u know its very common issue of most of the 5 gear suzuki cars....and people are carried on living with it....even its started in very early stages of 5 gears suzuki cars...previously i observed it in khyber as well...
    hmmmm lets ccc what happen as the temperature is changing
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    Quote Originally Posted by KamranAslam View Post
    I say get it replaced from any person who deals in scrap/parts or new cars accident spares.

    My Cultus did gave me a lil buzz on 5th gear,,,, went to my authorized dealer they reduced it but when Me alone and in 5th gear I hear the humming, my dealership says this is normal but I say no..... its something to be taken care.

    I might replace the whole gearshift from shersha or will follow a friends advice to get it repaired from a reputed desi shop on jailroad karachi...... not this month hopefully in the start of April.

    will be following your thread to get an idea for how we can come to solution of this glitch.

    My Good Lucks with you
    brother thanks alot......for ur wishes and helpfull comments...
    u know its very common issue of most of the 5 gear suzuki cars....and people are carried on living with it....even its started in very early stages of 5 gears suzuki cars...previously i observed it in khyber as well...
    hmmmm lets ccc what happen as the temperature is changing
    SCHEHXAD

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    ^^^^ It starts in early stages aswell..... thats bad....... I am using mine since 2006...... and it started doing this last year.

    and people are carried on living with it
    hahahahha ..... these lines support Me that I am not the only one ....
    I am only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamranAslam View Post
    ^^^^ It starts in early stages aswell..... thats bad....... I am using mine since 2006...... and it started doing this last year.



    hahahahha ..... these lines support Me that I am not the only one ....
    you guys compromise and living with it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why now operate it and change the roller bearing of 5th gear ,,,,,,,,,,it wont cost much and wont need much man hour

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    ^^^^ I have this plan...... before I go for the replacements for the whole unit.

    this roller bearing thing..... I will be discussing the posts here..... when ever I went for the repair
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    dear need 1 favour...
    has any1 replaced this mannual 5 gear transmission with auto ...if possible which cars auto gear fits on nut bolt to this 1000 cc engine of alto vxr?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schehxad View Post
    dear need 1 favour...
    has any1 replaced this mannual 5 gear transmission with auto ...if possible which cars auto gear fits on nut bolt to this 1000 cc engine of alto vxr?
    i have discuss that with 2 mechanics/kharadiya who deal only in gears,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they say we can provide gear box but cant provide the wiring stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its not posible in cultus,,,,,,,,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoodfriend View Post
    i have discuss that with 2 mechanics/kharadiya who deal only in gears,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they say we can provide gear box but cant provide the wiring stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its not posible in cultus,,,,,,,,,,,
    dear iam asking for alto...as the jap alto is having a/t so can that 660cc transmission be fitted to this 1000 cc car....??
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    Quote Originally Posted by schehxad View Post
    dear iam asking for alto...as the jap alto is having a/t so can that 660cc transmission be fitted to this 1000 cc car....??
    is it possible?
    any one who had done this kindly share
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    Quote Originally Posted by schehxad View Post
    dear iam asking for alto...as the jap alto is having a/t so can that 660cc transmission be fitted to this 1000 cc car....??
    yes it is posible ,,,,,,,,,i guess alto gear will be easily available,,,,,,one mechanic offer me to instal the alto auto transmission in cultus after some mofication,,,,,,,,i was not convinced by that idea

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    Generally the gear noise in winter is due to

    1. Old gear oil (replace with recommended oil)
    2. less oil in gear box than recommended (check user manual)
    3. Clutch Bearing (press the clutch, the noise should stop)

    A friend of mine had similar noise in VXR but later we found out that its not gear. We removed the a/c belt and its fine now (maybe we need to replace the bearing)

    So first make sure that its gear noise and then make sure you filled it till recommended level. If these two are fine, replace the clutch bearing.

    No need to add extra oil or grease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoodfriend View Post
    yes it is posible ,,,,,,,,,i guess alto gear will be easily available,,,,,,one mechanic offer me to instal the alto auto transmission in cultus after some mofication,,,,,,,,i was not convinced by that idea
    dear any1 whome u know who has done it practically?
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