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    I own an alto vxr 2006 model. Bought it brandnew. Recently for the last 3-4 months there is a strange problem coming up which i am unable to diagnose.

    In every gear at a certain rpm (approx 2500-4000) the car starts to give "jhatkas". And this is not the missing/current issue. Because in plug/plug-wire faults the problem remains even if you accelerate the car on neutral. The "Jhatka" is typical when someone changes the gear up very early. So sitting in the car one may think that its a drivers fault as he shifted too early but this is not the case. For example changing to 3rd gear on 40 in alto is fine but as soon my car reaches 50kmph it starts jhatkas as if the power is less or not being transmitted to the wheels properly.

    So how do i manage the problem? What I do is either I increase the acceleration and drive on high rpms or during the "jhatkas" if I slightly press the clutch they disappear.

    What to do ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    you are facing this problem on both the fuels or just on cng??
    The are on both CNG and on Petrol.

    They are very annoying now.
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    Yesterday what work I got done were
    1. Tappet adjustment
    2. Plugs changed.
    3. Oil + Filter changed
    4. Air filter changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock900 View Post
    The are on both CNG and on Petrol.

    They are very annoying now.
    misfiring at a particular rpm=:
    1.bad ignition (bad ignition coil,bad dizzy rotor,bad dizzy cap,bad spark plug wires)
    2.leaky valves
    3.carb butterfly(secondary or primary damaged)

    now its time to rule out the things one by one.first check the plug wires.
    was the timing belt replaced??
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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    misfiring at a particular rpm=:
    1.bad ignition (bad ignition coil,bad dizzy rotor,bad dizzy cap,bad spark plug wires)
    2.leaky valves
    3.carb butterfly(secondary or primary damaged)

    now its time to rule out the things one by one.first check the plug wires.
    was the timing belt replaced??
    Did not changed the timing belt this time but did that earlier.
    My mechanic was saying something about "rotor". I have no idea about it.
    I'll go for plug wires tomorrow.
    Can I faulty inner axle be the cause of this problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock900 View Post
    Did not changed the timing belt this time but did that earlier.
    My mechanic was saying something about "rotor". I have no idea about it.
    I'll go for plug wires tomorrow.
    Can I faulty inner axle be the cause of this problem?

    axle has noting to do with misfire-open the dizzy cap and post pics of the rotor to see its condition.
    and never ever buy the cheap orange ultima plug wires.buy original sumitomo from 3s dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock900 View Post
    Did not changed the timing belt this time but did that earlier.
    My mechanic was saying something about "rotor". I have no idea about it.
    I'll go for plug wires tomorrow.
    Can I faulty inner axle be the cause of this problem?
    sir its tuned for cng
    even mine 30k driven alto 2012 does the same on petrol even though im running some performance stuff
    rotar he is talking about its the distributor
    and i read u havent changed plugs in life time
    sir why would u do this oem plugs last less then 10k millage
    and im surprised it was running after clocking 200k kms
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekdrifter View Post
    sir its tuned for cng
    even mine 30k driven alto 2012 does the same on petrol even though im running some performance stuff
    rotar he is talking about its the distributor
    and i read u havent changed plugs in life time
    sir why would u do this oem plugs last less then 10k millage
    and im surprised it was running after clocking 200k kms
    There is an initial misfire on petrol that you are talking about I guess. That thing is something else and it is only on petrol.

    I know not changing the plugs might be surprising but when I ever I went for tuning, the mechanic cleaned them and never asked for changing them. Even before this change I was getting 135-140 km/cylinder (90% AC) and it was good. Now lets see how much I get after the plug change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    axle has noting to do with misfire-open the dizzy cap and post pics of the rotor to see its condition.
    and never ever buy the cheap orange ultima plug wires.buy original sumitomo from 3s dealer.
    ok. I was guessing maybe the power from the engine is not properly transmitting through the axles as I have a fault right inner axle and this fault have increased after tappet adjustment and plugs change as the pick of the car has increased alot.

    I am getting plug wire set in 800 from a local shop here in karachi. I wonder how much a dealer will charge. Must be in thousands. But i have no plan to sell the car for another 2-3 yrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock900 View Post
    ok. I was guessing maybe the power from the engine is not properly transmitting through the axles as I have a fault right inner axle and this fault have increased after tappet adjustment and plugs change as the pick of the car has increased alot.

    I am getting plug wire set in 800 from a local shop here in karachi. I wonder how much a dealer will charge. Must be in thousands. But i have no plan to sell the car for another 2-3 yrs.
    then buy the original ones-they must be costing rs 3-4k.but are excellent
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    i knoww the problem because i face similar symptoms and similar remedy but all in vain accidentaly i find the solution

    and the solution is???? wait till 120 tonigghttt

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    ok i tell u no suspense.
    cng/patrol converter switch red wire is connect to inside fuse box of car. the fuse box under yur steering side. that fuse is melted now and give week contact for current at certain rpm

    go check and post result to so other vxr owners benefit from it

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    then buy the original ones-they must be costing rs 3-4k.but are excellent
    This axle problem is really a pain for me. Believe it or not brother I have changed my axles (outer) may be more than 10 times now. For the past 2 years i have been changing them like engine oil. They hardly work for 5 months.

    Twice I got the Chinese ones but mostly were replaced by the kabli ones.

    I sometimes regret that If i had gone for genuine ones in the first place then jaan relieve ho jati ,but what if they work for the same period too? They have no guarantee afterall.
    Btw I once went to macca motors to get them checked and get the estimate. They gave an estimate of 80000 approx as you have to buy the inner and outer axle complete set. Mujhe to chakkar aa gaye thay.

    so 4000 for plug wires is too much. I better get then checked for their resistance frinst. But they are 225000km old too
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    Quote Originally Posted by askai37 View Post
    ok i tell u no suspense.
    cng/patrol converter switch red wire is connect to inside fuse box of car. the fuse box under yur steering side. that fuse is melted now and give week contact for current at certain rpm

    go check and post result to so other vxr owners benefit from it
    This is indeed a very different diagnosis. Ill search it on other threads.

    LOL @ 12 O Clock suspense
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    salam hai bhai aap ko 2006 alto aur "225000" kms chali hui, us per se aap ne plugs change nahi kiye, na hi wires change kiye, change the wires first! also check the clutch, that is the only thing left and the distributor too! axels don't cause such a problem,

    May i know why do your axels wear off this much! means i also drive my car about 60-70 kms a day but the axels are fine changed them about 1.5 years ago! and macca motors may have quoted 8000 you have typed 80,000! 80,000 mein to alto ka pura engine overhaul hojaye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by omersiddiqui5482 View Post
    salam hai bhai aap ko 2006 alto aur "225000" kms chali hui, us per se aap ne plugs change nahi kiye, na hi wires change kiye, change the wires first! also check the clutch, that is the only thing left and the distributor too! axels don't cause such a problem,

    May i know why do your axels wear off this much! means i also drive my car about 60-70 kms a day but the axels are fine changed them about 1.5 years ago! and macca motors may have quoted 8000 you have typed 80,000! 80,000 mein to alto ka pura engine overhaul hojaye!
    I am going to change the wires if they are faulty tomorrow.
    Regarding clutch : One of my differential diagnosis is clutch as I said earlier. Because the problem disappears if I mildly press the clutch. This car has never gone through a major mechanical work and I think once engine khul jaye then it leads to other problems. That is why I was reluctant to change the clutch. 1st i was excluding plugs/ wires.

    No brother he gave me a written estimate. Actually it was for 140000 because he said my cars needs complete suspension and axle change as they dont repair them. So no exaggeration here and no kidding.

    Alto parts are stupidly/insanely expensive. I went for a claim on saturday too for a front right fender touch up and a bumper cut which is hardly an inch. They said they dont repair so I have to get a new bumper. Brother believe it of not The front bumper of alto is for 26000.
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    reading this i have finally decide that i will buy a "Mercedes"! i mean 140,000/= for the suspension work,, that is sick crazy i must this macca motors guy where is it located! sorry i was too rude han!

    this might be a small problem, as the car is not having accelaration issues! it might be the lose clutch wire! and you don't have to take out the whole engine to separate the gear box and engine! the good mechanic can take out the gear box (Transmission only) and nothing goes wrong!

    i am still in a state of shock "One Lacs forty thousand for the suspension" thank god i own a Lancer. I love you Allah

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    140000? is its jdm alto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omersiddiqui5482 View Post
    reading this i have finally decide that i will buy a "Mercedes"! i mean 140,000/= for the suspension work,, that is sick crazy i must this macca motors guy where is it located! sorry i was too rude han!

    this might be a small problem, as the car is not having accelaration issues! it might be the lose clutch wire! and you don't have to take out the whole engine to separate the gear box and engine! the good mechanic can take out the gear box (Transmission only) and nothing goes wrong!

    i am still in a state of shock "One Lacs forty thousand for the suspension" thank god i own a Lancer. I love you Allah
    Its not you fault brother, they are indeed very expensive. Let me shock you a little more
    Last year my car got hit is such a way that the front bumper broke and the AC compressor broke. AC compressor has pressure inside so it cant be repaired so I had to get a new one. Now prepare for the shock

    AC compressor of the ROYAL PAK ALTO VXR = 50000/- only.
    My insurance depreciation was also at the max i.e 60%. But as I had to keep the car so I bought it.
    At that time bumper was for 19000 only. Thanks to the booming economy of Pak it has jumped to 26000 now.

    I hope that even if its not pulg wires problem its just a clutch wire problem. I dont want to get my engine opened up for valves or rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by aryaan1 View Post
    140000? is its jdm alto?
    nopes. Its a Pakistani Alto
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    by reading this i have decided that I love my lancer, "people who say lancer parts are not easy to find and are expensive may buy an alto"

    Means seriously i was thinking to buy an alto but na baba na! it is a good car but man expensive!

    these symptoms are not of engine faults! and please get it to a trustworthy mechanic. mechanic are jerks when they come to fool/rob people!

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