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    Unhappy Belta sputters on cold startup!!! Any suggestions??

    Hi guys,

    This thing has been bothering me for the last several weeks now. Can't figure out what to do?

    When I start the car in the mornings or late evenings after work, it hesitates/sputters for several seconds and then it idles normally and runs perfectly fine. Then if I again stop and start the car, it starts fine without sputtering after startup. Only happens after the car is standing for a long period overnight or say 6-7 hours on a cold startup.


    I put in another spare used good battery to see if my battery was the problem, but the same issue was there. Also replaced the spark plugs with new Denso Iridium ones, but again the same sputtering problem persists for a few secs after starting. Other work I have done is had the car scanned and cleaned the throttle body & MAF sensor earlier last month. There was just one error code P1605 - Rough idling. Any suggestions what else I should do???????

    Thanks

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    try mixing some hi-octane fuel, Altho cold starts is normal, this will get worse with time as winters are getting close, I think you also need to re-gap your cars spark plugs.

    Im not sure if this suppose to be done, But just reading your thread made me think that i read somewhere "In winters plugs need less gapping" maybe its a bongi but it just came to my mind.
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    sounds like bad sparkies or low fuel pressure problem
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    what fuel u r using ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrone_40 View Post
    Hi guys,

    This thing has been bothering me for the last several weeks now. Can't figure out what to do?

    When I start the car in the mornings or late evenings after work, it hesitates/sputters for several seconds and then it idles normally and runs perfectly fine. Then if I again stop and start the car, it starts fine without sputtering after startup. Only happens after the car is standing for a long period overnight or say 6-7 hours on a cold startup.


    I put in another spare used good battery to see if my battery was the problem, but the same issue was there. Also replaced the spark plugs with new Denso Iridium ones, but again the same sputtering problem persists for a few secs after starting. Other work I have done is had the car scanned and cleaned the throttle body & MAF sensor earlier last month. There was just one error code P1605 - Rough idling. Any suggestions what else I should do???????

    Thanks
    make sure to get ur belta's generator checked to see if it is charging in order and if that's not the case then ur self starter motor needs overhauling,...cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrone_40 View Post
    Hi guys,

    This thing has been bothering me for the last several weeks now. Can't figure out what to do?

    When I start the car in the mornings or late evenings after work, it hesitates/sputters for several seconds and then it idles normally and runs perfectly fine. Then if I again stop and start the car, it starts fine without sputtering after startup. Only happens after the car is standing for a long period overnight or say 6-7 hours on a cold startup.


    I put in another spare used good battery to see if my battery was the problem, but the same issue was there. Also replaced the spark plugs with new Denso Iridium ones, but again the same sputtering problem persists for a few secs after starting. Other work I have done is had the car scanned and cleaned the throttle body & MAF sensor earlier last month. There was just one error code P1605 - Rough idling. Any suggestions what else I should do???????

    Thanks
    make sure to get ur belta's generator checked to see if it is charging in order and if that's not the case then ur self starter motor needs overhauling,...cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    try mixing some hi-octane fuel, Altho cold starts is normal, this will get worse with time as winters are getting close, I think you also need to re-gap your cars spark plugs.

    Im not sure if this suppose to be done, But just reading your thread made me think that i read somewhere "In winters plugs need less gapping" maybe its a bongi but it just came to my mind.
    Hi chinyoti, how are you? I do mix hi-octane sometimes but the problem is still there. Re: gapping I don't think that's the issue as these plugs already come pre-gapped. Also this problem was occurring even when the stock japanese plugs were in there too. So I replaced the plugs thinking it would go away but no

    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    sounds like bad sparkies or low fuel pressure problem
    Xulfiqar...i recently put new Denso Iridium plugs thinking that was the problem. How do I know if its low fuel pressure? When the car was scanned there was nothing as such. Someone pointed out that probably my fuel filter is plugged????

    Quote Originally Posted by atif11 View Post
    what fuel u r using ?
    atif...I try to use mostly Caltex fuel most of the time and if not, then Shell.


    Quote Originally Posted by post911 View Post
    make sure to get ur belta's generator checked to see if it is charging in order and if that's not the case then ur self starter motor needs overhauling,...cheers
    Thanks post911....how do I check the generator? Will any electrician be able to do so?

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    Did the mechanic told u they are pre-gapped?

    Every car has different specs. Plugs can be similar for different cars

    My mechanic used to tell me the same, and just insert new plugs in my baleno iwas always in trouble,

    The guy at pso gapped my Vitzes plugs everytime and then baleno to.

    So do check that. Let @xulfiqar bhae and others confirm first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Did the mechanic told u they are pre-gapped?

    Every car has different specs. Plugs can be similar for different cars

    My mechanic used to tell me the same, and just insert new plugs in my baleno iwas always in trouble,

    The guy at pso gapped my Vitzes plugs everytime and then baleno to.

    So do check that. Let @xulfiqar bhae and others confirm first.
    Thanks for the info. I will check that out but you see the problem was there before I changed with new spark plugs, so maybe its not the spark plugs I put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrone_40 View Post
    Hi chinyoti, how are you? I do mix hi-octane sometimes but the problem is still there. Re: gapping I don't think that's the issue as these plugs already come pre-gapped. Also this problem was occurring even when the stock japanese plugs were in there too. So I replaced the plugs thinking it would go away but no



    Xulfiqar...i recently put new Denso Iridium plugs thinking that was the problem. How do I know if its low fuel pressure? When the car was scanned there was nothing as such. Someone pointed out that probably my fuel filter is plugged????



    atif...I try to use mostly Caltex fuel most of the time and if not, then Shell.




    Thanks post911....how do I check the generator? Will any electrician be able to do so?
    ok it's belta so definitely it has a computer box, go to ur local toyota workshop and ask them to run a sensor check on it and if it shows lower voltage being generated then there u go ur generator is not working the way it should be...cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by post911 View Post
    ok it's belta so definitely it has a computer box, go to ur local toyota workshop and ask them to run a sensor check on it and if it shows lower voltage being generated then there u go ur generator is not working the way it should be...cheers
    Hmmmm....if it was the generator wouldn't I have noticed loss of power elsewhere too. The car runs perfectly fine after initial start up.

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    are u using an oil of thick viscosity?
    try using thinner oil, or maybe synthetic or a multi grade oil
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    Quote Originally Posted by alee1 View Post
    are u using an oil of thick viscosity?
    try using thinner oil, or maybe synthetic or a multi grade oil
    I'm using Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40 fully synthetic oil

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    do throttle calibration
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    I wont play ard with any settings. its more like engine clogged up. when did you last go for a long drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levin View Post
    I wont play ard with any settings. its more like engine clogged up. when did you last go for a long drive.
    @levin...thats exactly what I was thinking I dont think there is anything seriously wrong....the last time was about 40 km last week. Normally my drive is hardly 8-10 km per day. Some times the car pick initially is also slow and then its normal. Im suspecting fuel filter but want to confirm before changing it. Is there any way?

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    do throttle calibration
    @atif11, whats throttle calibration?

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    Someone suggested to get my car scanned in the morning or late evenings on a cold startup. And if the fuel filter is plugged then it will be lean. If it is rich then its not the fuel filter.

    Can anyone suggest elaborate what this means? How can this be checked on a scanner?

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    Anyone?????

    Yesterday evening, my mechanic from Danish Motors came to check my car at the office after it was parked for about 8 hours. He started the car and listened to that sputtering sound, which then disappeared after the car was started again. He diagnosed the problem as fuel pump that has to be replaced. I am not satisfied as if it was the fuel pump then it would be noticeable while driving. The car pick and speed is excellent and doesnt seem like any fuel pump issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrone_40 View Post
    @atif11, whats throttle calibration?
    this might help understanding calibration

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    Quote Originally Posted by atif11 View Post
    this might help understanding calibration

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/per...s-honda-lovers
    Thanks for the explanation.

    Just another development I thought I would share with regard to my problem.

    I was told by my car electrician to switch the key to acc wait about 20 secs and then pump the gas pedal a few times before starting. I did exactly that this morning and yday evening after the car was parked for about 8 hours and voila it started without that sputtering sound on both occassions What does this signify now?


    He also said probably the sulf has to be cleaned or replaced. What's the sulf called in english



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