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    I've done some search for the recommended brake oils for Passo/Vitz/Boon.
    Search revealed that Toyota recommends Dot3 brake oil for all of their models like Vitz, Camry, Grand Cruiser, Hilux, etc. all the car models and recommended brake oil is Dot3 only.

    Now, in the Pak. market, the available oils are

    Dot3 LM Price Rs. 350/250ml
    Dot4 LM Price Rs. 400/250ml & Rs. 600/500ml.

    I've gone through the study of Dot4 oil and characteristically its better than Dot3.
    Dot4 is slightly expensive than Dot3, but typically Dot4 is better than Dot3 because of additional properties.


    Characteristics of common braking fluids

    Dry boiling point Wet boiling point Viscosity limit Primary constituent
    DOT 2 190 ?C (374 ?F) 140 ?C (284 ?F) ? Castor oil/alcohol
    DOT 3 205 ?C (401 ?F) 140 ?C (284 ?F) 1500 mm2/s Glycol Ether
    DOT 4 230 ?C (446 ?F) 155 ?C (311 ?F) 1800 mm2/s Glycol Ether/Borate Ester
    DOT 5 260 ?C (500 ?F) 180 ?C (356 ?F) 900 mm2/s Silicone
    DOT 5.1 260 ?C (500 ?F) 180 ?C (356 ?F) 900 mm2/s Glycol Ether/Borate Ester


    So all of friends over here, who want to change or buy the brake oil for their Toyota cars, plz go for Dot4 for better results.

    And as I mostly write that NEVER BUY OILS/FLUIDS FROM TOYOTA. Because they do not produce them. They only buy from outside, tag and make money.


    Presently the best available Brake oils are of following companies

    Liqui Moly
    PTT Performa
    KIXX

    Hope it will help.


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    Q1- How much (ml) oil is required for Corolla GLi ?? and
    Q2- how is it changed??? I mean full bleed and pouring new one.
    Q3- from where to buy LM brake fluid?? while making sure #1- its original #2- it is not more then one year old as LM states that its shelf life in sealed conatainer is 1 year????

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    Viscosity of DOT4 is more than DOT3 and it maintains its fluidity at a higher temp. Also, the brakes shall be more effective when the system gets hot during a long drive. DOT 4 also absorbs less water than DOT 3.

    You can put DOT 4 in place of Dot 3 but not the other way around.

    Note: DOT 5 is completely different and is silicone based, it is not compatible with DOT 3 and 4 systems.

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    whats wrong with the seiken DOT3 brake fluid that has been sold in Pakistan for decades. Brake fluid has to follow a very strict performance spec, all fluids packaged anywhere in the world carrying the DOT3 and DOT4 specs would be 95% the same.

    In the US I buy cheap generic brake fluid that is the cheapest, same in Pakistan, a box of seiken or wagner by Taha industries - never had a problem.

    Usually sedans take about 1 litre of it to flush and bleed.

    Caltex were selling DOT4 fluid in Pakistan in black plastic containers - dont know if they still do. Ask around for the best price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    whats wrong with the seiken DOT3 brake fluid that has been sold in Pakistan for decades. Brake fluid has to follow a very strict performance spec, all fluids packaged anywhere in the world carrying the DOT3 and DOT4 specs would be 95% the same.

    In the US I buy cheap generic brake fluid that is the cheapest, same in Pakistan, a box of seiken or wagner by Taha industries - never had a problem.

    Usually sedans take about 1 litre of it to flush and bleed.

    Caltex were selling DOT4 fluid in Pakistan in black plastic containers - dont know if they still do. Ask around for the best price.

    Wats your experience with guard brake fluid?????

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    The brake lines should be bled in order from the brakes furthest from the reservoir (in the engine bay) to the closest. So, first we have to bleed rear passenger side then rear driver side then front passenger side and at the end front driver side.

    The question is that at what time the new fluid should be poured? I mean if it should be poured after bleeding the first line??? or after bleeding the last line i.e driver side front????

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    @Xulfiqar

    The brake lines should be bled in order from the brakes furthest from the reservoir (in the engine bay) to the closest. So, first we have to bleed rear passenger side then rear driver side then front passenger side and at the end front driver side.

    The question is that at what time the new fluid should be poured? I mean if it should be poured after bleeding the first line??? or after bleeding the last line i.e driver side front????
    get a thick syringe and suck out all the old nasty brake fluid from the reservoir in the engine room and fill with fresh fluid.

    Now start bleeding at the farthest wheel - keep on bleeding till you see fresh clear fluid from that wheel cylinder. Close it up and proceed to the next. Each wheel will take about 250 ml to bleed out the old nasty stuff.

    If your brake pipes are more than 8 years old, the new fluid will get black again. time to replace them with new items as they have rotted from inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    get a thick syringe and suck out all the old nasty brake fluid from the reservoir in the engine room and fill with fresh fluid.

    Now start bleeding at the farthest wheel - keep on bleeding till you see fresh clear fluid from that wheel cylinder. Close it up and proceed to the next. Each wheel will take about 250 ml to bleed out the old nasty stuff.

    If your brake pipes are more than 8 years old, the new fluid will get black again. time to replace them with new items as they have rotted from inside.
    Sucking out oil first from reservoir is the ustaad catch. Whole the procedure is clear in mind. But can i use this oil in self made bleeding kit?

    Sir gee even the old fluid is not black as far as reservoir is concerned. Car is 3 years old.

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    3 yr old brake fluid not discolored is impossible, Once you change out all the fluid - you will come to know how dark your old one was.

    black is really bad fluid, a year old fluid is usually "gurh" aka brown sugar coloured. new is a very light yellow unless you are using oldschool GE DOT 5 which is purple or ATE blue brake fluid.

    Keep it simple - use any DOT 3 rated fluid in your car (I follow whatever is written on the cap) - japanese and americann cars usually say DOT3 while most european cars say to use DOT 4.

    always use a proper bleed kit to change the fluid to ensure no air bubbles are trapped. When doing the manual bleed - take a red brick and place it underneath the pedal so you dont accidently push it all the way to the floor, The reason for not pushing is that mostly the brake works in the first few inches of stroke. Old watered brake fluid corrodes the master cylinder where the piston does not reach, when you stroke it to the floor - you can rupture the seals - SO.

    Best to be safe than sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodMan7 View Post
    I've done some search for the recommended brake oils for Passo/Vitz/Boon.
    Search revealed that Toyota recommends Dot3 brake oil for all of their models like Vitz, Camry, Grand Cruiser, Hilux, etc. all the car models and recommended brake oil is Dot3 only.

    Now, in the Pak. market, the available oils are

    Dot3LM Price Rs. 350/250ml
    Dot4LM Price Rs. 400/250ml & Rs. 600/500ml.

    I've gone through the study of Dot4 oil and characteristically its better than Dot3.
    Dot4 is slightly expensive than Dot3, but typically Dot4 is better than Dot3 because of additional properties.


    Characteristics of common braking fluids

    Dry boiling pointWet boiling pointViscosity limitPrimary constituent
    DOT 2190 ?C (374 ?F)140 ?C (284 ?F) ?Castor oil/alcohol
    DOT 3205 ?C (401 ?F)140 ?C (284 ?F)1500 mm2/sGlycol Ether
    DOT 4230 ?C (446 ?F)155 ?C (311 ?F)1800 mm2/sGlycol Ether/Borate Ester
    DOT 5260 ?C (500 ?F)180 ?C (356 ?F)900 mm2/sSilicone
    DOT 5.1260 ?C (500 ?F)180 ?C (356 ?F)900 mm2/sGlycol Ether/Borate Ester


    So all of friends over here, who want to change or buy the brake oil for their Toyota cars, plz go for Dot4 for better results.

    And as I mostly write that NEVER BUY OILS/FLUIDS FROM TOYOTA. Because they do not produce them. They only buy from outside, tag and make money.


    Presently the best available Brake oils are of following companies

    Liqui Moly
    PTT Performa
    KIXX

    Hope it will help.


    I dont get it y ur against genuine specs.

    As I know all cars require dot3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    3 yr old brake fluid not discolored is impossible, Once you change out all the fluid - you will come to know how dark your old one was.

    always use a proper bleed kit to change the fluid to ensure no air bubbles are trapped. When doing the manual bleed - take a red brick and place it underneath the pedal so you dont accidently push it all the way to the floor, The reason for not pushing is that mostly the brake works in the first few inches of stroke. Old watered brake fluid corrodes the master cylinder where the piston does not reach, when you stroke it to the floor - you can rupture the seals - SO.

    Best to be safe than sorry.
    I am not saying its not discolored, I said it is not black as far as the reservoir is concerned.
    Thankyou for another USTAAD catch = not flooring the pedal.

    But again, we dont have proper bleeding kits available here. So, as you instructed self made bleed kit will be used.

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    if you have freinds in the plastics molding industry you can get them made and sell them as tools - along with picture instructions with urdu text.

    Its just a simple 50 ml plastic bottle with a cap - and the cap should have a pipe nipple on it. It also has a flat magnet on it to attach it to the car.

    You can also make use of old jam jars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shuja11 View Post
    I dont get it y ur against genuine specs.

    As I know all cars require dot3.

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    PTT's brake fluid was really outstanding. Firstly we used it in one of our cars. It really worked excellent. We were selling it at 180 rupee per bottle while guard's brake fluid was at 150 rupees. We tried our best to convince customers to use PTT's brake oil as its best. But people who already had mind set at Guard, barely even think to change it. So when we couldn't sell, then we drop its price same as guards. But only a very few sale. Then eventually to clean the stock (of nearly 50 bottles), we reduce the price as less than guard's , but even then it was very difficult to sell.
    Eventually we ended up with loss but after that we buy big stock of Guard's brake fluid. And till today, its very running item. Well come to do biz in pak.
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    Most online guides recommend a second person to help- is there a solo diy on this as well? What about cars with ABS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    Most online guides recommend a second person to help- is there a solo diy on this as well? What about cars with ABS?
    Now most of the cars has ABS (mine has too) and recommended oil is Dot3. So it doesn't matter much w.r.t. type of the brake fluid if car is ABS or not.
    However, if Dot3 is recommended, then Dot4 can also perform well in the system.

    DOT 3 205C (401F) 140C (284F) 1500 mm2/s Glycol Ether
    DOT 4 230C (446F) 155C (311F) 1800 mm2/s Glycol Ether/Borate Ester
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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    Most online guides recommend a second person to help- is there a solo diy on this as well? What about cars with ABS?
    watch Eric The Car Guy channel on youtube. in his channel look up for brake system bleeding video. apart from that i have learnt many things from his channel, hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    Most online guides recommend a second person to help- is there a solo diy on this as well? What about cars with ABS?

    connect the jar and pipe in a way that the bleed pipe goes upwards from the bleeder - about 6 or 8 inches. That way air will rise but liquid being heavy than air will force the system to remain full of liquid - no need of another person.

    slowly pumping the brake pedal in gentle strokes will expel brake fluid out - just keep the master cylinder full and soon enough your brake fluid will be flushed with new.
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    mobil1 ka dot 4 bhi acha hai! dot 5 and all then mercedes bmw mein dalta hai! and 1 thing more u can mix dot4 into dot3 but u cant mix dot3 into 4 sab yeh baat yaad rakna!
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    The good old OEM fluid works best instead of fancy items.

    Like there is also no replacement to OEM T-IV fluid for transmission.

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