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    Dear Experts plz share your experience that which charade diesel engine is more reliable, diesel turbo or black top punja engine, and what is the HP of both engine. thanks


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    The turbodiesel is very very nice and torquey - ONLY if you keep it timed and tuned right - This engine needs new stretch bolts or studs once the head is removed from the block.

    If you dont time it right it can be royal ***** to start even with 30 second glow times - and at worst the mistimed engine with a not tight enough main bolt can break its crankshaft timing belt cog
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    charade diesel engine is totally failed
    yahan mechanic ka kahna hai agar kisi ka sukon cheena ho to diesel charade dila do

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    The "yahan mechanics" dont know jack about any sort of engine, and apparently every engine that is a little more complex than a can of beans or chai ke piyali is FAIL

    apparently Toyota is just wasting time building dumb engines which are FAIL - I wonder why Briggs and Stratton use this same engine in their commercial lawn mower tractors
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    That engine made its way in world records being smallest commercially produced diesel in a car. Must be some reason.
    Keep a cool head and wear seatbelts!

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    I owned a charade 86 turbo diesel almost 8 years back.

    About the turbo diesel engine:
    In terms of performance turbo diesel is better, but it's still a tortoise compared to a petrol engine.

    Turbo will not last long, when I bought the car the Turbo was bad and I had to get another one from Bilal Gunj, when I sold the car more than three years later, the replacement Turbo had also gone bad. The problem... diesel smoke chokes the turbo fan.

    If you plan on running the air-conditioner most of the time, then the engine will not last long.

    All it takes to kill this engine is overheat it once. My mechanic reported to me one incident in which he left overhauled an engine and left the engine started for 15 minutes, due to some problem in the cooling system, the engine overheated and seized. Another rebuild followed.

    You have to religiously follow oil change intervals.

    Mileage is good you can get about 15km/ltr. But that is not really awesome by today's standards.

    Don't push the car to its limit, drive it nice and slow and the engine will last long, but not as long as Toyota diesels, they can take a lot of beating and last much much longer.

    After following my mechanics instructions, I owned this car for over three years and didn't spend one penny on the engine. The rest of the car is a much different story

    The non-turbo diesel is a tortoise who has lost a leg much slower, unfortunately, I don't have much info on this engine.

    On the whole, I would say Charade Turbo diesel is a failure. The engine is too slow (even with the turbo). It has to be treated like a baby. It does not last as long as Toyota Diesels. I would say sell the Charade and get an 86 or 88 corolla, it's a much more reliable car.
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    Problem is as Xulfiqar says people dont know how to tune this engine poperly. My Mechanic i guess he will be the only one who is a Big Fan of Charade Diesel turbo engine.

    But as he says its hard to find one in good condition from 2nd hand market so its better to swap petrol.
    Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go.

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    If your injection pump and nozzles are not setup right - you may see high exhaust temperatures which may lead to engine failure due to broken compression rings; worn out bores or bad valve seats The setting of an injection pump relative to the engine is very very miniscule - just a width of half hair breadth can throw it off timing; your local mechanic just times it by "andaaza" - that andaaza is like marking a very minute setting with the precision of a 4 inch paint brush. Then comes the LDA setting on the pump - when set correctly, you would feel the engine torque like a shove in the seat when the turbo kicks in. Otherwise it just feels dead with the turbo spooling and nothing happening - just the exhaust is getting cleared up by the excess air

    Another point as I mentioned above is that you need to replace the cylinder head bolts anytime the cylinder head is removed from this engine - most (read all Pakistani) mechanics find this funny and stupid, as they are TTY torque to yield bolts. I replace them with studs (aik kharcha 4 se behtar hai)

    About the engine coking up - the EGR should be 100% super or blocked off, thats the reason this engine bogs and smokes like a crackhead.. Concerning turbo failure, You should idle your turbocharger down before you shut off the engine - and most importantly you need to use an engine oil that has good shear and antifoaming properties, coupled to a genuine "branded" oil filter..

    Remember that a diesel runs far cooler than a petrol engine but shakes and pounds a vibration every power stroke effectively foaming the coolant water near the cylinder head, thats why you need a proper glycol coolant in any diesel - to keep it nice and new.. Running A/C as long as the A/C is setup correct will work nicely.. nicely as in good heat exchange at the front of the car

    My 1.6 VW Golf diesel example is there - that engine design is so old its aztec compared to modern diesels but when timed and tuned correctly will run for about half a million miles with ease doing 20 or 22 km/litre - but a similar engine that is not timed, tuned and cooled correct will not last 50K miles and would be doing 10 km/lit

    Ive done Nissan CD17 (apparently failed technology in Pakistan) and they are running like champions for quite some time now, with nothing gone wrong, they are timed and tuned right and were built with the right mind in the first place. They can get about 18 or 19 km/lit

    about fuel economy on a Dai diesel - you should see about 22 or 24 km/lit with this turbo engine
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    Now friends let me shed some light on diesel turbo. I own this diesel turbo. i bought a car 1 year back and mechanic and some other persons told me that it will hardly last a year if you drive it slowly and has lost power.And now it is still running MashAllah as good as when i bought it a year back. Although it doesnt have that much power but it is better than a mehran engine. I havnt spent a penny on engine and i change oil after 2 or 3 months if i get some extra money from somewhere. But of course it is not tough as you can say a Toyota 1 N engine . If you are planning to swap engine go for a petrol 1300 cc or 1600cc.
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    Talking about 1N. mechanics also rank it as a failure, at par with charade or a Nissan

    Most common comlaint is camshaft breakage.
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    I have used 1N for 3 years and ran it always on high revs and after 3 years it lost its power due to overheating due to radiator cap issue
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    Good or bad examples are always present. Its what is widespread that affects the most.

    i have set a good example with a CD17, many mechanics get a jaw dropped when they listen to the numbers but mostly there are horror stories about it. Same is the case about Charade 1.0 turbo or NA or 1N.

    Only thing which is surviving in hands of these people is a 2C or a 2L/3L maybe because these do not had much alternatives at times when they were in use
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    Yeah may be the case. My mechanic is also of the opinion that dont get the charade 1.0 turbo overhauled just change to 4A-FE or 4E-FE
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    thats because - mostly he wont have a clue how to work on it. And the diesel injection pump service places are jackasses too
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    @ vaqas can u please tell me the name and address of mechanic.?
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