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    Default Engine Foundation problem in my charade need help

    Asalam u alikum! hope you guys in good health.Brothers there is a problem in my 86 charade that it breaks engine foundation after some time as it is swapped with jap cultus 3 cylinder, carb engine fitted with automatic transmission ( i still dont know which auto trans it is if some one help me finding which one it is)well its a engine mountings fault so if someone knows a person who is specialist in alteration can solve this problem easily and also there is immense vibration in the car its currently fitted with 2c foundation i have a pic of it.or some one can fit engine in correct place so that it wont break foundations.and 2nd thing as it needs engine setting again so how much it would cost?bro i seek help from experts who can solve this problem 1st breaking engine foundation 2nd immense vibration even if i set new foundation on its place. pic of foundation.seeking ur kind suggestions.
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    Ur engine is not aligned well which put load on foundation directly why did u choose cultus for charade as charade g 11 are easily available and they are far better than cultus engine

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    agreed @asad1

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    Quote Originally Posted by asad1 View Post
    Ur engine is not aligned well which put load on foundation directly why did u choose cultus for charade as charade g 11 are easily available and they are far better than cultus engine
    yes thats the problem i need someone to adjust that engine in correct place.
    well i didnt find any charade g11 engine in good condition. one can find only overhauled charade petrol engine which lasts very lesser period of time. and all the alterations done by previous owner.
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    bump... where are experts???
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    i really need to fix this thing up as currently one foundation is broken and very risky to drive.. plz guys need ur suggestions
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    help guys im gona need ur kind suggestions today as im going to take it to mechanic.
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    Any mechanic worth his trade can adjust the engine placement correctly. For eyballing it - the mountings that should bear the entire weight of the engine in the G11 shell are the side mountings, the centre mountings are torque limiters. Firstly the side mounts should be placed in perfect alignment - use a thread on any two fender bolts to align it. Tighten the engine and let the mounts get pressed by the weight of the engine, now place the torque mounts.
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    first of all thanks alot xulifiqar bro for ur response as i was eagerly waiting for ur response.
    oh i was thinking that entire weight is on central engine mountings. the side engine mountings are both g11 original(replaced with similar some time back as rubber things require change) and are perfect and in its place. these engine mountings are central which are most prone to break.
    today i went to mechanic and replaced that engine foundation when he took that foundation out which was in two pieces(Broken) and i examined closely found out that the foundation is of very bad quality or we can say poor quality part.
    mechanic did some minor alterations and the new engine foundation in its place now. the tremendous vibration gone now very little left and i guess it remains in altered cars. also give me advice if these can also be removed.
    bro i want to ask question about automatic transmission fluid. and also if you help me finding which automatic transmission fits on cultus engine or which one i have, all i found on it written (D TYPE) only cannot still able to locate it which one it is.
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    The engine should hang on the side mounts, the centre mounts are to limit torque movement when the engine is asked to move the car. Get rid of these flat type mounts and use circular type mounts. If your mechanic is experienced he can also install a torque strut like the old accords had. It keeps the engine in place when shifting gears at high rpm and high load.

    The fluid type D is Dexron, ancient fluid - not available anymore because GM who was the license holder has stopped the license, Dexron fluid has been superseded 6 times, todays standard is DX6 - but you can also find DX2 and DX3 equivalent easily which are perfect for your transmission. Caltex, Emarat, ZIC, Shell, FUCHS, Elf, Total, Mobil all have their ATF matching those ratings, it wont say Dexron but they equal to it.
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    my khyber is i guess not hanging on side mounts.. because mechanic removed steering side mount without doing anything to engine and then placed it back same way,and when car engine is running idle,the very mount is vibrating easily... how to rectify?
    the mount is in okay shape and has no cracks on it..
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    zulfiqar bro from which car circular mountings would fit easily in my car? i m unaware of torque strut but i guess its one installed in suzuki fx i found a pic of something similar. which is a rod with two holes. well he is experienced but with non altered cars and he also doesn't have any equipment to make new mountings for circular foundation. someone told me that kharadia will make engine mountings and a denter would weld it.
    bro i noticed that when i put in D(forward) with started engine while standing still engine moves from its actual place to little backward and forward when i put it in R(reverse) is that the reason these flat foundations break up so early.

    well bro this transmission is running on TYPE-A/suffix A and on the dip stick its written DEXRON II which was not available in the market only there was Dexron 3
    now recently some time back gearbox oil chamber seal leaked and axle seal too have to replace that alot of oil was wasted so i poured in 2 bottles of TYPE-A fluid and after that pick of the car became very very bad its like crawling on the road and its becoming better day by day as viscosity of oil is decreasing it was hangging shifts then. thank GOD i didn't changed the whole oil used old back again.
    now when i start it in the morning pick is very bad but becomes fine after engine heats up a little.
    to complete change oil how much oil bottles would be required? should i go for DX3 which one best Caltex, shell? as using shell oil in engine.
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    Default torque strut

    i found a pic similar thing is fitted in suzuki fx is that torque strut?
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    zulfiqar bro plz reply im waiting for ur kind response. thank you.
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    DX3 is usable in a DX2 recommendation but not type A fluid. btw these mountings are the built for the suzuki chassis - dont use them in your application - or get a real expereinced person to make you mounting plates for your car to the engine you have.

    btw some engine movement is normal - it should not jump around.
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    i will change complete oil with DX3 as winters are coming its like crawling on the road with cold engine. does this Type A fluid will harm trany?
    ohh experienced person im still unable to find and in this search im getting experienced more and more.
    btw as the engine mounting position changes oil level in transmission also changes interesting.
    now i need engine rubber foundation from which car? and a experienced person to do this alteration for me.
    thanks alot zulfiqar bro ur kind suggestions really helped me out and seek the same in new upcoming technical problems. really appreciate it. thank you.
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    I hope you are checking the fluid (oil) with engine running and warmed up lever in P and parked on level ground. If you check it cold you will see low level. Do not try to top it up, excess fluid will damage the transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    I hope you are checking the fluid (oil) with engine running and warmed up lever in P and parked on level ground. If you check it cold you will see low level. Do not try to top it up, excess fluid will damage the transmission.
    oh i was checking transmission oil with engine off once i checked with engine running and the dip stick showed no signs of oil.
    now i ll check again with engine running and warmed up. well this Type A fluid showed almost showed no variations to cold and warm engine never reached to hot when engine is quite hot.
    well there is two points for cold oil in dip stick how much oil should be there in transmission?
    and i noticed that when oil levels are low pick is also too low, car is very slow.
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    automatic fluid level is always checked in running engine because when you shut it off half the torque convertor drains out. Be sure you check it at warm temperature - automatic trans should never be run hard when cold, meaning if you have removed the thermostat valve and have direct cooling fan it will take a very very long time to warm up.

    Fill with ATF DX3 or 2D - its not very expensive.

    btw dont try to judge engine temperature by feel, 90C will burn you badly. Always have the thermostat in place and the temperature gauge working. btw what transmission did you install? there are two variants, one is a fully hydraulic type that has a speed governor and one is an electronic type that requires a TCU to shift, both look exactly alike - except for a bunch of wires.

    if you have proper shifting then Im assuming that you have the old style hydraulic which is correct.

    and go to a proper mechanic and ask him to make proper foundation brackets.
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    OMG i think then my cars transmission always running on low oil as i always used to check it with engine off now i ll check it again.
    yes thermostat valve removed by these mechanics telling me that u want u engine to blow off head gasket by heating this thing up and saying that engine is old now dont put it. but now im thinking that my friends 74 corolla have thermostat valve why it cant be in my car?

    yesterday i fixed heat gauge in engine brought a connector for automatic fan switch btw fan is hot wired with engine or cold wired? in auto fan switch. and any suggestions to buy a new thermostat valve? or to find an original one from used parts market? sometimes in winters its really freezing in the car as heater does not work on direct fan and to wait for CNG in long queue past midnight in winters.
    well i know its DX3 is not very much expensive but u know student life is always miserable have to do alot form less but anyways Alhamdulilah. i think it requires 4 or 5 bottles of trans oil for complete change. should i choose calltex or shell oil for it?

    haha its not very hot i always use to touch upper tappets cover to judge its temp but thanks for the warning i ll be careful in future after putting valve.
    i think its hydraulic it doesnt have much wires two sensors dont know what they are for and the car doesnt have ECU too as carby engine. and yes it jerks when shifting lower jerk on high RPM on forward and lower jerk on lower RPM when Reverse.
    btw i used to put it from parking to reverse some time back and it used to put a very immense jerk terrify every one on he car, and now i think its the main cause of these foundations breaking. now i figure out that it i put it like parking to neutral then to reverse a very very little jerk as compared to before.
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