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    Default Installed CNG in my CIty 2010 PICS

    Hey Guys,

    I installed CNG kit over the weekend and so far so good. I am enjoying the ride and you guys will be surprised that it wont do any knocking on CNG which it normally does on Petrol. So far my car is in testing phase meaning that I am calculating the mileage and stuff. But again the pick and response time is pretty good.

    For all those who says you will ruin your engine life or City 2010 dont deserve CNG and bla bla bla. My answer will be "I just can not afford current petrol prices these days, as I have to run 100km/day."

    There you go with the pictures.

    The Engine Bay
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    The CNG Kit setup, right under the fender.
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    Boot space after putting in the Cylinder.
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    That is the Cylinder, I colored it Silver. I wish if I could have polish metal color but that was the only one available at CNG conversion center.
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    Its A Fact.. Kuch Paane Ke Liye Kuch Khona Parta Hai.. You Lost Your Warranty From Honda But That Was Your Only Choice.. Good For You..
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    Quote Originally Posted by F430 View Post
    Its A Fact.. Kuch Paane Ke Liye Kuch Khona Parta Hai.. You Lost Your Warranty From Honda But That Was Your Only Choice.. Good For You..
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    Well in my opinion Euro4 cars like your 2010 city are designed for hi-octane fuel. CNG having octane value of 120 will be more suited for a car that is designed for a higher octane value fuel. My bet is you will get better consumption than old city, provided you dont let your RPM go above 3000.

    Secondly do also let us know how accurate the MPG meter readings are with CNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
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    For which car you got cng installed?
    XLi 05. Converted to CNG after driving it on petrol for more than three years
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    Alright guys here is the mileage details.

    Full cylinder for Rs:/ 430, Not sure if it was 100% filled or not

    but still I got 156kms on the odo till gas ends.

    So that means I am getting almost Rs: 2.75/km.

    Tell me guys if its good or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    Alright guys here is the mileage details.

    Full cylinder for Rs:/ 430, Not sure if it was 100% filled or not

    but still I got 156kms on the odo till gas ends.

    So that means I am getting almost Rs: 2.75/km.

    Tell me guys if its good or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good average you have got
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    @vik .. Not a bad avg ..

    @dani123... Dani bhai your replies has really added jaan to this Topic .. keep it up ...
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    @autophile

    Yeah, and I will work out more on this mileage and stuff and will try to improve it.

    Now these mileage details are on long drive, with AC ON. Will drive within city on this weekend and will update you will the mileage details..
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    could u please post pics of installed kit and its specifications / brand

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    Full cylinder for Rs:/ 430, Not sure if it was 100% filled or not

    but still I got 156kms on the odo till gas ends.

    So that means I am getting almost Rs: 2.75/km.

    Tell me guys if its good or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    To find out if it is 100% full or not, look at the small pressure gauge near the CNG kit. It should be around 3000 psi. What I found once was that greater the pressure, greater the consumption.

    Suppose I filled Rs. 350/- CNG, car would run 136 km before totally exhausting gas supply. Suppose I filled Rs. 300/- CNG, car would run 130 km before end of gas. It means the first 6 km on first refill were costing Rs. 50/-. I found out that the sweet spot was to fill b/w 2200 and 2500 psi and get best economy.

    Please do a similar experiment and come up with results.

    Quote Originally Posted by imdachosenone View Post
    Well in my opinion Euro4 cars like your 2010 city are designed for hi-octane fuel. CNG having octane value of 120 will be more suited for a car that is designed for a higher octane value fuel. My bet is you will get better consumption than old city, provided you dont let your RPM go above 3000.
    Highly doubtful about this. Euro IV cars cars like city 2010 won't be designed for hi-octane just because this is your opinion. Please back this up with some facts.

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    @ahsanzs


    Alright I will keep an eye on that pressure thingy next time.

    Just wanted to add something here about this comment,,,


    "Highly doubtful about this. Euro IV cars cars like city 2010 won't be designed for hi-octane just because this is your opinion. Please back this up with some facts."

    I dont know pretty much about the euro IV cars but I wanna add this. Why the City 2010 starts knocking when we use regular petrol and it never does on HI-Octane. Is that make sense? and on CNG it just never come up with knocking at all. So experts clarify this. I even spoke about this with the HONDA guy about the knocking and he said use MIX petrol like regular and hi-octane, But this is not the solution I guess. Anyhow I am running on CNG now.

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    I am not sure, but someone told me that higher octane fuels also cause a different kind of knocking which is not audible and it is more dangerous, I am forgetting the exact term.

    Tell me how your car knocks if you are in higher gear in slow speed or while you are accelerating?
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    if anyone owns or drives the older shape city Vario on petrol,
    u will know the real meaning of knocking. the car will knock on 120km/hr on highway non bloody stop ! and even on 20km/hr.........then i asked my friend just to mix 400 rupee hi octane. knocking vanished by 90%
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    Waqas LaLa,
    cars like Vitz and Se Saloon have hydraulic tapits. CNG kind of tightens them up with time. but the fix is to take off the block and send it to the machinist(kharadiya).....witnessed such cases myself.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    Why the City 2010 starts knocking when we use regular petrol and it never does on HI-Octane. Is that make sense? and on CNG it just never come up with knocking at all. So experts clarify this. I even spoke about this with the HONDA guy about the knocking and he said use MIX petrol like regular and hi-octane, But this is not the solution I guess. Anyhow I am running on CNG now.
    City 2010 starts knocking on regular petrol b/c regular petrol has a poorer octane number than it really should have. Most of the time it has some non-petrol items mixed into it. Otherwise hi-octane is only required for sports (high compression) engines. You must have the owner's manual with you since it is a new car, look in it and you'll find the recommended fuel type.

    The hi-octane when you mix it (small quantity) in the regular petrol brings octane number to required level so knocking stops. MIXING small quantity of hi-octane every 3rd or 4th tankful is the only solution. You can't manually retard spark timing and even if you did you'll lose power which you won't like.

    CNG already has a very high octane so it doesn't knock. In fact it difficult to combust so you actually have to advance the ignition timing.

    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
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    cars like Vitz and Se Saloon have hydraulic tapits. CNG kind of tightens them up with time. but the fix is to take off the block and send it to the machinist(kharadiya).....witnessed such cases myself.....
    Cultus also has hydraulic tappets. In fact only change b/w Khyber and Cultus is the cylinder head. Never seen anyone with Cultus who has had this problem, so I think it is because these animals are strange for the mechanics and Cultus is not. What do you think?

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    viki, the long route mileage is awesome, but please post mileage figures in average after 3-4 times tank fill-up. Daily your driving is around 100 km so its easy for you..
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    Alright Fellowss!!!
    Here are the latest figures for the Mileage and stuff. I hope tht will help other CITY 2010 owners.

    Tank filled: Rs/ 500 (After Discount Rs/420) with 3000 psi.

    Mileage with AC(long): 168kms.

    SO this time it is Rs 2.5/km

    Not sure how much it will effect if I just run with out AC since I never got a chance to drive a full cylinder with out AC.

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    Yet another murder case of Honda with a CNG slow poison
    may the engine soul rest in peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9BL View Post
    Yet another murder case of Honda with a CNG slow poison
    may the engine soul rest in peace
    Dude its not a murder case and on top of it, ITS MY OWN CAR AND I HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO USE IT AS PER MY OWN WISH.

    So if you are not interested then plz do not reply back on this thread.

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    What about the weight of cylinder if seen from the rear. Because I've seen few city's with getting lower due to cylinder's weight.

    Will spacers suits the car or not. Because sometimes cars get higher giving weird look. Do spacers have variety based on size or whatever?

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