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    Hey Guys,

    I installed CNG kit over the weekend and so far so good. I am enjoying the ride and you guys will be surprised that it wont do any knocking on CNG which it normally does on Petrol. So far my car is in testing phase meaning that I am calculating the mileage and stuff. But again the pick and response time is pretty good.

    For all those who says you will ruin your engine life or City 2010 dont deserve CNG and bla bla bla. My answer will be "I just can not afford current petrol prices these days, as I have to run 100km/day."

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    The CNG Kit setup, right under the fender.
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    That is the Cylinder, I colored it Silver. I wish if I could have polish metal color but that was the only one available at CNG conversion center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra View Post
    whats ur mileage on pertrol and CNG? pls do tell us. how many Rs. for 1 km?

    On petrol, its Rs- 4.17 /km as per current petrol prices
    On CNG, its Rs- 2.2 /km.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    So you are saying I should refill for Rs.450 on the Meter and get the mileage details on that.

    Alright will do that but just wondering what would be so special in the outcome.
    I saved money this way. What I did was fill in Rs. 300/- CNG, drive exactly 130 km when CNG finished, drive on petrol to nearest CNG station (not more than 3 km anywhere) and then refill Rs. 300/-.

    If I filled Rs. 350/- CNG the car ran only 136 km. So top 6 km costed 50 rupees! Saved around 1700 that month, which paid for an engine oil change + filter.

    Money saving will be the special outcome! It is the same thing I mentioned here.

    EDIT: There was a 10 litre expense of petrol, though.

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    hello sir i just want to ask if there is any problem with cng of city 09

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    Congrats.
    welcome to CNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanzs View Post
    I saved money this way. What I did was fill in Rs. 300/- CNG, drive exactly 130 km when CNG finished, drive on petrol to nearest CNG station (not more than 3 km anywhere) and then refill Rs. 300/-.

    If I filled Rs. 350/- CNG the car ran only 136 km. So top 6 km costed 50 rupees! Saved around 1700 that month, which paid for an engine oil change + filter.

    Money saving will be the special outcome! It is the same thing I mentioned here.

    EDIT: There was a 10 litre expense of petrol, though.
    Alright dude, here is what I did

    I filled the gas for Rs.420 (After discount Rs.350).

    This time I only drove the car with in city with loads of traffic. (No 100km Long drive which I normally do) with AC ON and it gave me 129kms on the ODO.

    Next time I will refill the tank with same amount of gas and will come up with more mileage details but it would be for long drive only.

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    350/129=2.71 Rs/km

    This is more than previously recorded Rs. 2.2, but let's wait for highway economy results.

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    @vik vik
    brother y r u selling ur car? just see ur ad
    i m kind enough to forgive u but not fool enough to trust u

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyfunny View Post
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    brother y r u selling ur car? just see ur ad
    Need some cash, leaving abroad soon.

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    considering u have done so many calculations
    i want to ask 1 important thing!

    with all the savings.. etc
    in city driving and average drive of about 100 km
    when will i break even the cost of cng installation which is
    guess about 36000rs

    will really appreciate if u can give me the average time

    regards
    I guess roughly in 5 months if you drive 100km daily.

    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    On petrol, its Rs- 4.17 /km as per current petrol prices
    On CNG, its Rs- 2.2 /km.

    This one side of the grass, the other is is very different.

    The 55 KG cylinder gets up to 9 KGs of Gas. If he is getting 2.2/Kilometer, this means he gets 225 Kilometers in one full cylinder ((Rs. 55/2.2) x 9), which is absurd. No can can do that. I doubt even Mehran getting 225 Kilometers in one cylinder.

    Normal 1300cc cars get up to 160 Kilometers on highways in one cyliner. But lets assume Honda City will do 170.

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    So Rs. 55/KG x 9 = 495 (or lets say 500 to round the figure).
    
    500 Rupees of gas can get one up to 170 kilometers, therefore
    
    500/170 = 2.99 or Rs 3/KM.
    
    Lets call this X.
    
    X = 3.

    Next, saying that Petrol is 4.17/KM is also his own car's economy. Not Honda City in general. His car is doing 4.17 Kilometer. 4.17 Kilometer means about 17 Kilometer/L (people are getting 19 in local). My car last time did 22.8 Kilometers per liter. But lets say my car has some magical powers, lets assume most people will get 21 KPL on this car if you drive at 100 km/h.
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    So 69.5/21 kpl = Rs. 3.30/KM.
    
    Lets call this Y.
    
    Y = 3.30
    This is basic arithmetic. Even a child from the second grade can make these calculations. No car makes 225 Kilometers in one cylinder?

    Now, you're saving 0.3 Rupees per kilometer.

    After 133,333.33 (one lack thirty three thousand) Kilometers, you'll have paid the price of a CNG kit that costs 40,000 rupees.

    If I am to calculate this for my own car, it would go something like this:
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    69.2 divided by 22.5 = 3.075.
    Per kilometer is 3.075.

    So per kilometer saving is 0.075 -- assuming the car does 170 on highways on CNG, I doubt that. MOST 1.3L cars (Liana, XLi, 1.6L Civic etc) do 160 max on CNG but lets go for 170. And lets suppose the price of the kit is 35000 (although there are CNG kits that cost even up to 60,000 very nice ones, but anyway..)

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    35,000 divided by 0.075 = 466,666.66 Kilometers (at which the price of a 35,000 Kit is achived).
    I drive 25 - 30 thousand kilometers a year. In my case, the price of the kit will be achived after many years.

    Another VERY IMPORTANT point to notice is that if you drive carefully, Petrol costs less than CNG in local. People get up to 19KPL inside city (probably without AC) This is cheaper than CNG.

    One more thing equally important is that even when you're running on CNG, you're also burning petrol everyday. Sometimes CNG finishes, the EFI cars always start on petrol etc. So we're not adding that at all.

    People, make some calculations and research of your own too. Its not as difficult as it looks.

    P.S: I have edited this post for the newer prices of Petrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    I guess roughly in 5 months if you drive 100km daily.





    This one side of the grass, the other is is very different.

    The 55 KG cylinder gets up to 9 KGs of Gas. If he is getting 2.2/Kilometer, this means he gets 225 Kilometers in one full cylinder ((Rs. 55/2.2) x 9), which is absurd. No can can do that. I doubt even Mehran cannot get 225 Kilometers in one cylinder.

    Normal 1300cc cars get up to 160 Kilometers on highways in one cyliner. But lets assume Honda City will do 170.

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    So Rs. 55/KG x 9 = 495 (or lets say 500 to round the figure).
    
    500 Rupees of gas can get one up to 170 kilometers, therefore
    
    500/170 = 2.99 or Rs 3/KM.
    
    Lets call this X.
    
    X = 3.

    Next, saying that Petrol is 4.17/KM is also his own car's economy. Not Honda City in general. His car is doing 4.17 Kilometer. 4.17 Kilometer means about 17 Kilometer/L (people are getting 19 in local). My car last time did 22.8 Kilometers per liter. But lets say my car has some magical powers, lets assume most people will get 21 KPL on this car if you drive at 100 km/h.
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    So 75.20/21 kpl = Rs. 3.5/KM.
    
    Lets call this Y.
    
    Y = 3.5
    This is basic arithmetic. Even a child from the second grade can make these calculations. No car makes 225 Kilometers in one cylinder?

    Now, you're saving 0.5 Rupees per kilometer.

    After 80,000 Kilometers, you'll have paid the price of a CNG kit that costs 40,000 rupees.

    If I am to calculate this for my own car, it would go something like this:
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    75.20 divided by 22.5 = 3.34.
    Per kilometer is 3.34 (assuming the car does 170 on highways on CNG, I doubt that. MOST 1.3L cars do 160 max on CNG but lets go for 170).

    So per kilometer saving is 0.34. And lets suppose the price of the kit is 35000 (although there are CNG kits that cost even up to 60,000 very nice ones, but anyway..)

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    35,000 divided by 0.34 = 102941 Kilometers (at which the price of a 35,000 Kit is achived).
    I drive 25 - 30 thousand kilometers a year. In my case, the price of the kit will be achived after 4 years.

    Another VERY IMPORTANT point to notice is that if you drive carefully, Petrol costs less than CNG in local. People get up to 19KPL inside city (probably without AC) This is cheaper than CNG.

    One more thing equally important is that even when you're running on CNG, you're also burning petrol everyday. Sometimes CNG finishes, the EFI cars always start on petrol etc. So we're not adding that at all.

    People, make some calculations and research of your own too. Its not as difficult as it looks.
    what a mathematician like ur magnifying calculations.
    i m kind enough to forgive u but not fool enough to trust u

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    @bilal.

    Dude I really appreciate and I must say that you took atleast 1 hour to make this reply just for the sake of my thread. But unfortunately your calculations were all wrong from the very beginning so I am not getting into your whole calculations. I can explain this to you here why!!!!

    Rs 2.2/km is the price which is calculated against the discounted price i.e Rs420/cyl not 500/cyl.

    I guess you do not read the responses and always come up with your own thoughts.

    I used to fill Rs500 and get Rs 80 as Discount so the total cost per cylinder will be Rs420. I got 188km/cyl so in that way math will me like this

    420/188 = Rs2.2/km & 500/188 = 2.65/km

    Now if I go with your calculation of ((Rs. 55/2.2) x 9), ....

    Now you put in the wrong numbers in this formula.

    As I am calculating the mileage on discounted price/cyl.

    So as per your formula it would be ((Rs. 55/2.65) x 9) = 186km/cyl


    So it is not absurd and plz consult me if you need some more calculation on CNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    @bilal.

    Dude I really appreciate and I must say that you took atleast 1 hour to make this reply just for the sake of my thread. But unfortunately your calculations were all wrong from the very beginning so I am not getting into your whole calculations. I can explain this to you here why!!!!

    Rs 2.2/km is the price which is calculated against the discounted price i.e Rs420/cyl not 500/cyl.

    I guess you do not read the responses and always come up with your own thoughts.

    I used to fill Rs500 and get Rs 80 as Discount so the total cost per cylinder will be Rs420. I got 188km/cyl so in that way math will me like this

    420/188 = Rs2.2/km & 500/188 = 2.65/km

    Now if I go with your calculation of ((Rs. 55/2.2) x 9), ....

    Now you put in the wrong numbers in this formula.

    As I am calculating the mileage on discounted price/cyl.

    So as per your formula it would be ((Rs. 55/2.65) x 9) = 186km/cyl


    So it is not absurd and plz consult me if you need some more calculation on CNG.
    Jinab, you are the one with the claim of one cylinder to make 188 Kilometers. While my car gave me 22.8 KPL, I did not make that a standard.

    Similarly, discount is not everywhere. The price is 55 Rupees per KG, not 50. You cannot make calculations basedon this. Its no where to be found in Rawalpindi and Islamabad. We're talking about standards here. Like I did not take my 22.8 KPL as standard, I took 21, but you can even take 20.

    I have 3 friends with Honda Civics, they get up to 150/Cylinder.
    I have one cousin who has XLi, he gets 160/Cylinder
    My friend's 1.3L Liana makes 155 Kilometers in one cylinder. From Peshawar to Islamabad interchange and he has to refill right away.

    We're talking about standard here. You're making calculations based on your 420 rupees ki gas? Is this even fare to tell everyone that Petrol costs 4 rupees per liter and CNG costs 2 because you get discount in CNG in certain places and your car cannot do better than 17 KPL??

    And then at the end you got angry at me for being wrong when I last time participated in the discussion? I mean I'm talking about absolute basic mundane mathematics here. Is this not only fare to at least take the standard rates and figures before you suggest something to a stranger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
    may aik hi CNG station sy gas refill kerwata hun which is 5 mins away from my home is liye ab ye na kehna k banda discounted refill her time nahi kerwa sakta,
    See you do not read responses before you reply.

    So the point here is that I am not misguiding anyone as far as the mileage is concerned. I guess every city in PK has got more then enough discounted CNG stations. If you are not agree on this then I can start a new thread and you will get hell of replies in which members will tell you about the discounts they are getting on there nearby CNG stations.

    On top of it, its a good practice to refill your CNG from the same station most of the time and this is what I do.

    Plus I am also working on something different with the help of Honda guys to make it over 200km/cyl and will let you know guys as I have heard about CIty 2010 owners who got CNG and they used to come at HONDA for routine checkup and they are getting 200 or plus kms/cyl

    Stay tuned.

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    BilalYusrat and vik_vik: Please restrict your comments to the ISSUE and not the PERSON. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vik_vik View Post
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    See you do not read responses before you reply.

    So the point here is that I am not misguiding anyone as far as the mileage is concerned. I guess every city in PK has got more then enough discounted CNG stations. If you are not agree on this then I can start a new thread and you will get hell of replies in which members will tell you about the discounts they are getting on there nearby CNG stations.

    On top of it, its a good practice to refill your CNG from the same station most of the time and this is what I do.

    Plus I am also working on something different with the help of Honda guys to make it over 200km/cyl and will let you know guys as I have heard about CIty 2010 owners who got CNG and they used to come at HONDA for routine checkup and they are getting 200 or plus kms/cyl

    Stay tuned.
    Dekho yar what "will happen" is not the fact of the matter here. What should happen if everyone does it is what matters.

    Where in Pindi and Islamabad do you get discount? And how many homes are surrounding those stations? I don't know of a single CNG station that is giving discount in Rawalpindi and Islamabad. And I don't know of any in Peshawar either I mean where are you coming from??? Just burhan ke saath there are a few who give discounts, that's it.

    But, as I always do, lets assume for the sake of argument that there are 5 CNG stations in Pindi which give discount. Ab count karo, how many houses can praticaly surround one CNG station with a mileage of 5 minutes drive? MAX 10 houses per CNG station? Notice that most of the CNG stations are not inside any society because its illegal. But go ahead with that too. So 5x 10 = 50 houses. Each house can have 1 car. So 50 cars can be the lucky ones with 5 minutes of drive from a CNG station that gives discount. I am damn sure there is no CNG in Islamabad that gives discount. They would rather sell it higher than the government's rate if they could.

    Here is the other side of the same scenario: Rawalpindi has probably more than 100,000 cars. so, 100,000 - 50 = 99,950. Does this figure really deserve that you advise them that 420 Rupees ki gas par you get 2.2 Rupess per kilometer? Talk standards here.

    I don't know a single CNG station in Rawalpindi or Peshawar that is giving discount. Not a single. You tell me and I'll confirm that right away. Right now I am in Peshawar.

    Getting 200+ Kilometers per cylinder is good for you, but its about the same thing as saying I will get 23 Kilometers/Liter. I would never tell any one to buy City because I am getting 23 KPL and they will also get this. You're doing this same thing, you're telling everyone that you MAY get 200 KPKG (while on petrol your car cannot even get 18KPL) and that based on this you're suggesting Petrol is twice the price of CNG.

    I do not agree. Aur har woh banda disagree karay ga jis nay riyazi(ریاضی) main naqal nahi amri hoe gi.
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    @BilalYusrat

    No car makes 225 Kilometers in one cylinder?
    My car does it. Last week I got 220 in local drive 56Kg, cylinder, Xli, gas filled 530 rs

    On M2 I have been getting 250 kms twice and 200+ kms as routine
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    @ VIK VIK

    y are you sellong this car? I thought you are a satisfied Honda City cusotomer who recently got it CNG so that you could use it for further use.

    Itne khuwari ke hai now u are selling it.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/used-cars/...lamabad-107751

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    y are you sellong this car? I thought you are a satisfied Honda City cusotomer who recently got it CNG so that you could use it for further use.

    Itne khuwari ke hai now u are selling it.

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    He's not selling it because of unsatisfaction, he is going abroad.
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    My car does it. Last week I got 220 in local drive 56Kg, cylinder, Xli, gas filled 530 rs

    On M2 I have been getting 250 kms twice and 200+ kms as routine
    220 in local? woh bhi XLi? This is highly improbable. I have never heard of a CNG Cylinder bigger than 55 KG. And a 55 KG Cylinder can also get up to 540 Rupees of gas if the pressure is good. I once filled my alto with 540 rupees of CNG and I did get around 210 but that was once in a life time event.

    But anyway, fact of the matter is we're talking about standards here. What do most people get? Most people, normal people, get around 150 - 160 or max 170 in one cylinder on highways. People get from 90 - 125 on local. How you got 220 in local is far from my imagination. My friend has alto who lives with me, he gets 130 in local and about 180 in highway. Your 1.3L is doing better than it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    220 in local? woh bhi XLi? This is highly improbable. I have never heard of a CNG Cylinder bigger than 55 KG. And a 55 KG Cylinder can also get up to 540 Rupees of gas if the pressure is good. I once filled my alto with 540 rupees of CNG and I did get around 210 but that was once in a life time event.

    But anyway, fact of the matter is we're talking about standards here. What do most people get? Most people, normal people, get around 150 - 160 or max 170 in one cylinder on highways. People get from 90 - 125 on local. How you got 220 in local is far from my imagination. My friend has alto who lives with me, he gets 130 in local and about 180 in highway. Your 1.3L is doing better than it.
    Suzukis have got way older engine technology that is why they are less fuel efficient. Corolla's 2NZ-FE (remember FE stands for fuel economy) can deliver such milages if you are a fuel efficient driver.

    BTW it is Kioshi cylinder from Argentina and it is 56Kg
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