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    Default help needed honda city Vtec Steermatic CNG experts..

    salam
    bros meine 9 march ko car buy ki to bilkul theek thi
    koi shor nahee koi khrabi wagera nahee thi
    usne cng kit lagi hui di thi mgr nozel utari hui thi
    usne kaha meine cng isliye utari thi ke mera bahi har 2 din baad lahore wagera jata tha etc etc bahane wagera aur usne 1 year cylender ko use nahee kiya...

    2 din baad meine kisi expert ko dekhai CNG ke liye aur usne nozel
    filter ke bahir fit kerdi meine cng pe ki to gari jhatke marne lag gayi ....
    dubara petrol pe ki to theek chal rahi thi ... usse aker bataya to usne kaha itni der cng pe nahee chali shahyed thori der chalne ke baad theek hojaye agr na hui to wapis aker computer pe chk kerlenge khair mein wahan se chala gaya
    koi farak nahee para mein main CNG station me gaya usne nozel filter ke box ke ander fix kerdi phr bi koi farak nahee para...

    phr meine motorway pe drive ki magar 4th-5th gear pe high RPM pe stable nahee horahee thi RPM bar bar uper neche horaha tha for example 3rpm se uper jate he aik dam 6 pe chala jata tha aur aikdam 4 pe ajata tha ..
    khair meine 7th gear pe 2rpm pe 100-110 pe drive kerli
    phr wahan faislabad me chk kerwai to iski tuning wagera kerwai front shock rubber etc lagwai engine oil dilwaya gari wahan pe to bilkul theek chalti rahi
    jab CNG pe ki to again same problem ..
    phr petrol pe ana para motorway se
    mager wapsi pe bi isne ziada masla shuru kerdiya zaida heatup hona shuru hogayi 90 cross nahee kerne horahi thi ...
    jab toll plaza pe roki to gear hee nahee lagrahe the jab lagta tha to full acclerator pe aik pero se nikalti thi aur low light bi band hogayi thi akhir itna tang agaya ke gari 10 min ke liye band kerdi jab start ki to bilkul theek hogayi gear light mager RPM aur HEAT UP nahee

    meri kuch samajh nahee araha

    computer wale ko jate huye dikhai thi to aik code error tha like 0A02 - i80
    mean need tuning etc ...
    jab aker dikhai to 5 code error btaye usne
    like rpm sensor gear sensor 3 more dont remember
    meine sensor repair nahee kerwaye (ajj kerwaunga) usse refresh kerwake agaya tha petrol pe bilkul theek chalti rahi jab ajj meine cng pe dubara kerke try ki to same phadas
    baad me petrol pe ki to
    baring ki awaze ane lag gayi jo pehle bi ati thi jab CNG ki nozel lagwai .

    Reverse gear pe kuch ajeeb kisam ka shor kerti ha mgr acceptable ha lekin jaise hee D pe gear lagata hun to accelator dete he aik truck ke engine jaisi awaz ati ha mechanic ke samne jaake chup kerjati ha
    yeh kabi kabi masla hota ha ...


    YEH SAB MASLE CNG ACTIVE KERTE HEE HUE HEIN

    meine mechanic ko chk kerwaya to usne engine left side pe aik glass pani phenka to awaz band hogayi usne kaha iski belt ya to genrator ke baring ka masla ha ...

    CNG isliye active karai kyunke yeh average bohat ziada ha like 8km/L
    in local 5km/L


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    You've ruined a Nice Machine.. If you cannot afford Petrol, switch to some other car. The Steermatic is a very very sophisticated car, not only the engine but the 7 Speed mode and CVT Transmission..

    CNG Nikaal dein and Engine tune karwaa lein iss se pehlay koi piston nikal ke hath mei ajaye..
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    Quote Originally Posted by F430 View Post
    You've ruined a Nice Machine.. If you cannot afford Petrol, switch to some other car. The Steermatic is a very very sophisticated car, not only the engine but the 7 Speed mode and CVT Transmission..

    CNG Nikaal dein and Engine tune karwaa lein iss se pehlay koi piston nikal ke hath mei ajaye..
    bro i can afford petrol but 5km/L not good ....
    i saw on steermatic fan club there ppl getting 13-15km/L on long and local 10km/L

    am also thinking cut damn CNG but my father not agree anyway thnx for ur replay

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    No one told you before that Steermatic is NOT at all good on CNG?
    You should have bought i-DSI. That car performs excellently on CNG.
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    u will eventually destroy the gear box
    remove cng
    + if the car is giving low acceleration and bad performance on petrol, catalytic converter might be choked
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    No one told you before that Steermatic is NOT at all good on CNG?
    You should have bought i-DSI. That car performs excellently on CNG.
    am talking abt petrol 15km/L and CNG giving 20km/L
    but am getting 5km/L on petrol

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    you need to be careful before buying it now it seems that transmission is eaten up by CNG.
    http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/members-member-rides/266031-accord7362s-merc-thanks-god-loved-ones-who-remember-me-prayers ,199119-thanks-god-2011-ford-edge-limited-awd-3-5-v6

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    its haram...cng with steermatic is a v serious sin
    Your grandchildren will likely find it incredible - or even sinful - that you burned up a gallon of gasoline to fetch a pack of cigarettes!

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    if ur getting 5km/l as a v8 in new cruiser( they do still better) y dont u diagnose the problem first instead of switching to cng? and get the desired mileage? throtle body, air fuel mixture, is there black carbon on tail pipe? are your plugs golden brown or black? whats your compression? how about the gaskt? man start to check the things one by one and if u cant than you shall switch to xli or some other simple brand as these kind of delicate cars are good for car lovers only.
    Your grandchildren will likely find it incredible - or even sinful - that you burned up a gallon of gasoline to fetch a pack of cigarettes!

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    Bro tnx for replay and yeah am doing these stuff but jo mechanic milta ha sirf waqti tor pe theek kerdeta ha mgr baadme phr ussi tarah hojati *. Agr app ki nazr me koi acha mechanic hoto plz uska numbr adress share karein *waise iske sensors ke kafi problem the woh clear kerwaliye hein shor RPM wagera theek hogaye hein petrol average ka issue ha

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    sad
    many people said vario destroy gear on cng but i had a very good experience with my vario 57 k driven totally on cng
    i am a very big fan of steermatic n wish to own one when i have budget for it
    but i also cant afford steermatic on petrol being a student so whats the suggestion for me?
    am i not able to own a steermatic on cng in any way ???????? untill i job?

    plz suggest as i was thinking to move from civic to steermatic now cng rolla?
    experts plz suggests

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    Quote Originally Posted by JANASHEEN View Post
    bro i can afford petrol but 5km/L not good ....
    i saw on steermatic fan club there ppl getting 13-15km/L on long and local 10km/L

    am also thinking cut damn CNG but my father not agree anyway thnx for ur replay
    You should've asked for someones help before buying that car. Well, better late than never. Please remove CNG and get it well tuned from Authorised HONDA Dealers instead of any Local Mechanic.. Otherwise you'll kill the tranny or engine or both of them alltogether.
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    ans me tooo plz
    MASHALLAH i have car rite now but when i was serching this time for car i had seen i steermatic in g 8 guy was asking final 900 but she was running on cng when i shift gear from p to d it was so soft like it is floating in air so i left it coz i become doubted about its gear

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    actually u can run cng on cvt
    with the right advancer and SIS kit which not everybody can afford
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    actually u can run cng on cvt
    with the right advancer and SIS kit which not everybody can afford
    ?????????????????

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    well, while we were talking on messages, u never mentioned that its a steermatic and that too, on cng i wudnt have recommended that...

    anyways, now that you have it, lets hope its now screwed up even a bit until now.please mention the mileage of ur car.

    there r 3 basic things that can go wrong on it.i ll start from easiest to hardest.

    1) engine tuning
    2) cng kit issues
    3) transmission issues

    the first thing u shud do i to get the tansmission oil drained ASAP. get new engine oil.get 2ltr zic oil.wud cost 800rs. i hope the sounds from the transmission will go away or atleast reduce.

    2nd thing.get ur cars' throttle body completely washed by taking it off of engine and also seperate the sensor from throttle body to clean it.also get valve clearence/ tappet adjustments done.its a 1000-1500rs job.

    after these 2 things, if the problem stays, get the cng kit serviced.get it cleaned from a good mechanic.
    note that even if the problem lies with the cng kit and not the other 2 i mention before, u SHOULD get those 2 jobs done too.they will ensure that ur car is working on its max performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F430 View Post
    You should've asked for someones help before buying that car. Well, better late than never. Please remove CNG and get it well tuned from Authorised HONDA Dealers instead of any Local Mechanic.. Otherwise you'll kill the tranny or engine or both of them alltogether.
    authorized honda mechanics are NOT really as good as they seem to be. (well,in most cases) they ve screwed my car atleast 2-3 times before i found a very very good desi mechanic who really knows cars and honda specifically.i wud say if u (or anyone) is a new buyer of honda, its better to ask the old owners about mechanics of 3S guys.
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    (sis) sequential kits cost around 80k rupees. the ones which are installed in liana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    (sis) sequential kits cost around 80k rupees. the ones which are installed in liana.
    Yes SIS kit may help. the key to running a vario on cng is to minimize the jerks that the engine transfers to the tranny due to alternate fuel. and the 2nd thing is to change tranny oil before time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    well, while we were talking on messages, u never mentioned that its a steermatic and that too, on cng i wudnt have recommended that...

    anyways, now that you have it, lets hope its now screwed up even a bit until now.please mention the mileage of ur car.

    there r 3 basic things that can go wrong on it.i ll start from easiest to hardest.

    1) engine tuning
    2) cng kit issues
    3) transmission issues

    the first thing u shud do i to get the tansmission oil drained ASAP. get new engine oil.get 2ltr zic oil.wud cost 800rs. i hope the sounds from the transmission will go away or atleast reduce.

    2nd thing.get ur cars' throttle body completely washed by taking it off of engine and also seperate the sensor from throttle body to clean it.also get valve clearence/ tappet adjustments done.its a 1000-1500rs job.

    after these 2 things, if the problem stays, get the cng kit serviced.get it cleaned from a good mechanic.
    note that even if the problem lies with the cng kit and not the other 2 i mention before, u SHOULD get those 2 jobs done too.they will ensure that ur car is working on its max performance.
    thnx bro and all for helping me...
    i removed dam CNG and today i visit to master of honda cars he repaired Computer sensors and tuning etc ...
    and he said alinement kerwalo bas apki gari ok ha but remove CNG plz bcz its japan assembled car not good for CNG
    waise meine wahan pe CNG pe kerke accletor diya to 3rd gear pe chali jati thi aur kuch awazen ane lag jati thi ...
    mere czn ne kaha ke tum ADV utar ke chk karoo mgr mujhe nafrat hogayi thi cng se. CNG ne puri gari ki band bja di thi ...

    Anyway Mashallah ab gari perfect hogayi ha .

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