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    Thumbs down Honda City 2010 ~ 2011 Pick & Knocking Issue

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    Am Usman from Faisalabad , I bought Brand New Honda City in December 2010 , previously I was using Toyota Corolla XLI ( 2007) .<o:p></o:p>
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    Honda City is my first entry to Honda Cars , at 400km I complained Honda Faisalabad about knocking of my car in low speed specially in gear 1 & 2 while AC on.<o:p></o:p>
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    Service team at Honda just beat about the bush and advised me to keep using the car it is normal. <o:p></o:p>
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    I have been to Murree and cannot explain my worst experience , too much knocking in Gear No-2 , car loose power & pick in gear 2.<o:p></o:p>
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    Fuel average 11.7km / ltr on motorway with AC on , without AC it did 13KM. Within City drive 7~8km / ltr. <o:p></o:p>
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    While AC on I felt I am driving Suzuki Cultus. My FAMILY also noticed AC not cooling as much for back seats as Toyota did . <o:p></o:p>
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    2<SUP>nd</SUP> gear of Honda City is just disgusting and it can cause accident.<o:p></o:p>
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    Sudden loss of pick & power especially while car comes in lower gear 2 from higher gear 4 and vise versa.
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    I used engine oils like , MOBIL 1 , HONDA Fully Synthetic but issue remained the same.<o:p></o:p>
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    Tried fuel from various pumps and also used HI-OCTANE from TOTAL . <o:p></o:p>
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    Mobil-1 & High Octane 30% resolved my issue . <o:p></o:p>
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    I am disappointed from Honda Service Team whenever i told them about my issue they said car is normal and live with it , Kindly advise any solution otherwise I have made up my mind to sale it & shift back to Toyota.

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    1. as far as i know, you need to 'train' the ecu, make it learn - esp in the lower rpm range.

    you can do that by running the car in 5th gear 70kmph speed, without AC, mild throttle. and make it go upto 3k rpm without changing gears. accelerate slowly. initially it might knock but then it'll learn to retard the timing sufficiently. do this without AC 2-3 times so that ECU can learn, with AC it probably wont make any baseline readings.

    2. Pakistan is a country with very hot weather, using colder spark plugs will definitely help prevent the pinging and knocking to some extent.

    3. Stay miles away from any Attock / Caltex / Total fuel pumps. In my experience, company run PSO stations and Shell pumps are best.
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    Brother my sincere suggestions:

    ----- regarding switching of car ------
    Do not go for SWIFT you will be more unsatisfied.

    ----- regarding actual problem -------
    Yes, there is just one issue with new City its 2nd gear require some momentum
    In mehran you can apply 2nd gear on zero speed but its almost not possible in City.

    Just change your driving habits... apply 2nd gear a bit late ....
    I personally checked 3rd gear is MashAllah very good
    on Motor way salt ranges I accelerate my city from 40 to 90 with out any problem.

    AC is good no problem with it

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    Dear All , lets conclude this topic

    kindly advise best oil for Honda ,,,,

    total 5w30
    mobil 1 5w 50
    Helix ultra 5w 40

    i tried total & mobil 1 and i found mobil 1 more reliable , any further kind advice ? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatron View Post
    been driving a city 2010...i have to admit that it has disappointed me on almost all fronts.

    The biggest issue is the pathetic suspension. The engine is good only at high revs but sucks at low revs. You have to change ur driving style to a "always on the edge" one to avoid knocking in low gears...the seats are a definite pain in th a$$ on long routes...the cabin in noisy and lacks a sense of strength and confort...it does not have an insulation sheet installed on the inner side of the engine bay which allows free transfer of heat and noise...

    The after sales service of honda is SO SO BAD. They can't diagnose a thing and even try to put used parts in a friends car.

    Sirf honda k outwardly shashkay hain aur kuch nahi....but it looks good!

    On the other hand I feel that Toyota is a much better car in all aspects except that it has become a sign of "paindu" car and honda has become a car for the "yo-bachaz"
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    My bro owns 2010 City and we were so fed up with the exact issue u had xplained in ur poster. We went to Honda Breeze Multan and their Workshop incharge briefed us about this issue and he was the first guy at any dealership I found honest and coperative.

    According to him new City's ECU is programmed to run on High Octane fuel instead of premier plus we have here at most of the pumps. And he gave us two options to fix this problem. One was to use 50/50 ratio of High octane and premiere plus and Second was to reprogram the MAP sensor reading required for premiere plus petrol. We went for this and reprogrammed the ECU for new MAP reading.

    Believe me now we notice the change in cars pick up in 1-2-3 gears in between the range of 1000-2000 rpms. No power lag or anything, no knocking with or w/o AC.

    I would recommend u to do the same. It will cost u Rs 1000 and time require for it is less than 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatron View Post
    been driving a city 2010...i have to admit that it has disappointed me on almost all fronts.

    The biggest issue is the pathetic suspension. The engine is good only at high revs but sucks at low revs. You have to change ur driving style to a "always on the edge" one to avoid knocking in low gears...the seats are a definite pain in th a$$ on long routes...the cabin in noisy and lacks a sense of strength and confort...it does not have an insulation sheet installed on the inner side of the engine bay which allows free transfer of heat and noise...

    The after sales service of honda is SO SO BAD. They can't diagnose a thing and even try to put used parts in a friends car.

    Sirf honda k outwardly shashkay hain aur kuch nahi....but it looks good!

    On the other hand I feel that Toyota is a much better car in all aspects except that it has become a sign of "paindu" car and honda has become a car for the "yo-bachaz"
    sry fr being off topic but i doubt it tht u r not owner of new city...its a very gud car n its seats r also comfortable..if u r owner of new city n still u have problem then i think there is some problem wid ur city ....its a nice car n much better option than xli..i m also a lover n owner of toyota but i cant close my eyes in fanboyism....
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    No need to use Honda oil. Mobil one is THE BEST thing.

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    thanks dear ,can you guide me who can program MAP SENSOR in lahore as their dealer Asghar & Sons in FSD are just farigh people.

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    @guganali...dude i own a 2010 city Alhamdulillah....juts putting forward my honest opinion....and i have a toyota(although its not xli/gli) as well so the comparison has grounds...hope u understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by tayyabbaig View Post
    My bro owns 2010 City and we were so fed up with the exact issue u had xplained in ur poster. We went to Honda Breeze Multan and their Workshop incharge briefed us about this issue and he was the first guy at any dealership I found honest and coperative.

    According to him new City's ECU is programmed to run on High Octane fuel instead of premier plus we have here at most of the pumps. And he gave us two options to fix this problem. One was to use 50/50 ratio of High octane and premiere plus and Second was to reprogram the MAP sensor reading required for premiere plus petrol. We went for this and reprogrammed the ECU for new MAP reading.

    Believe me now we notice the change in cars pick up in 1-2-3 gears in between the range of 1000-2000 rpms. No power lag or anything, no knocking with or w/o AC.

    I would recommend u to do the same. It will cost u Rs 1000 and time require for it is less than 5 minutes.
    now here is a guy who knows what he is talking about

    map sensor is what tells the engine the amount of load that the engine is trying to drive, in turn it is one of the many inputs that determine the ignition timing which is more advanced for higher octane fuels but causes knocking on lower octane fuel. reprogramming it would be one way of correcting the issue...but make sure you go to a guy who knows what he is doing. Its a tricky job altering ecu's base maps.
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    off topic but only in pakistan a company can sell new and old model of a same car at a single time suzuki alto is a newer model of mehran, and even alto is outdated cultus is the old swift and both swift and cultus r on sale and even the swift is a 2003 design, same was the story with potohar and jimny,now potohar is discontinued, both suzuki and toyota use old model engines with new shape cars,
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    New model Honda City since July 2009. So this is third summer season. 25000 Km done. Haven't noticed any of the problems mentioned except bumpy drive. Getting 11-13 Km/L in city (Lahore, rush hour) and 15-18 Km/L on motorway and highways. Everything stock with Honda recommended oil.

    Verdict: Something wrong with your piece unfortunately. Since it's still under warranty, get it fixed ASAP.

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    ahmadbila is the most wisest man in Pakistan.His car is the best car in pakistan.And there is no such highly technical person that knows engines at its best than ahmadbilla.
    Ahmadbilla i salute your opinions.Keep coming with brilliant comments and your thought provoking opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uqc View Post
    ahmadbila is the most wisest man in Pakistan.His car is the best car in pakistan.And there is no such highly technical person that knows engines at its best than ahmadbilla.
    Ahmadbilla i salute your opinions.Keep coming with brilliant comments and your thought provoking opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tayyabbaig View Post
    My bro owns 2010 City and we were so fed up with the exact issue u had xplained in ur poster. We went to Honda Breeze Multan and their Workshop incharge briefed us about this issue and he was the first guy at any dealership I found honest and coperative.

    According to him new City's ECU is programmed to run on High Octane fuel instead of premier plus we have here at most of the pumps. And he gave us two options to fix this problem. One was to use 50/50 ratio of High octane and premiere plus and Second was to reprogram the MAP sensor reading required for premiere plus petrol. We went for this and reprogrammed the ECU for new MAP reading.

    Believe me now we notice the change in cars pick up in 1-2-3 gears in between the range of 1000-2000 rpms. No power lag or anything, no knocking with or w/o AC.

    I would recommend u to do the same. It will cost u Rs 1000 and time require for it is less than 5 minutes.
    Even I have a slight issue of knocking in my gli 2010 between 3000 and 4000 rpms at 3rd, 4th n 5th gears. sometimes in 2nd also if the rpm crosses 3000
    will the ecu thingy ll help there also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dms664 View Post
    Even I have a slight issue of knocking in my gli 2010 between 3000 and 4000 rpms at 3rd, 4th n 5th gears. sometimes in 2nd also if the rpm crosses 3000
    will the ecu thingy ll help there also?
    Brother Im not sure about the Corolla ECU. But I think its programmed for lower octane fuel. So knocking in ur car may be coz of the bad quality of petrol. Try putting some high octane in its tank and check for any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarTec View Post
    thanks dear ,can you guide me who can program MAP SENSOR in lahore as their dealer Asghar & Sons in FSD are just farigh people.
    Go to Honda Fort, they have all the latest equipments.

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    same problem with my city mt 2011 v v bad experince but friday ko mai car ko company check karwao ga then i will check this problem

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    brother to my advice use high octane as you have used before and do grounding. i did grounding on my city 2010 and even without high octane i dnt feel any knocking now try it and hopefully you will like my advice

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    Someone mentioned where a high-octane-selling-fuel-station in Faisalabad is; it's the PSO station at canal road. Opposite Saeed Colony, I guess.

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