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    ALHAMDULILLAH

    I had been looking for a bi-directional scan tool since long and been saving up for it. Finally the much awaited tool arrived yesterday. And I thought of sharing it with fellow members along with posting the first tool application.

    The Steermatic battery had completely drained in the past couple of days and the ECU forgot about the CVT start clutch calibration. Sadly this happens everytime if the battery is disconnected or it completely discharges.

    So instead of the old "drive upto 60 and decelerate method" suggested in ESM, I thought of putting the tool to some use.


    But before I proceed, I must thank the one person who made it possible for me to decide. Without his input, I would have ended up with a wrong choice or some chinese clone.

    The one and only, our teacher, our automotive mentor, our guru and our respectful elder brother @Xulfiqar bhai.

    Thanks alot Xulfiqar bhai.

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    Question: So whats my point:

    The point is: when your CVT starts giving poor idle in D (excessive vibarations), and idles itself all fine in N, you would want to calibrate you r transmission start clutch. Most Honda dealerships and some "gheroo-program" mechanics advise throttle body service, engine/tranny mounting replacements, valve body replacements and what not.

    However, its just a couple of steps in procedure to get it back on road hassle free.

    Happy CVT driving. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    the coil can be bought from a electrics shop selling commercial/residential stuff - if you notice paan ka khoka etc, they have a little board with this coil hanging from the side of the khoka with a bell push - its used to light ciggies.

    Thats the coil you want.
    that is great, thanks
    I'll find out in the morning where to get that coil
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    sutta shop nearby?
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    yep lots of
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    Quote Originally Posted by syncview View Post
    thanks for sharing
    how much voltage and current to be applied to the coil?


    EDIT:

    Q2 - cotton as in the surgical cotton?

    Q3 - where to get the heater / coil wire from?
    You would need 12 volts. Dont go for higher voltages as they may be lethal. In place of cotton you may try the thread for Dia or candel thread
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    the coil wala electric heater is also an option
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    Thats one good tool to have at home!

    When you start charging, please give an appointment to my steermatic
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    Quote Originally Posted by afnan.bashir View Post
    You would need 12 volts. Dont go for higher voltages as they may be lethal. In place of cotton you may try the thread for Dia or candel thread
    @Xulfiqar

    sir you have one un answered question

    Im into IT - as you guessed, aka IT mechanic. Work on sys and network side along with a lot of compliance work thrown in.

    simple words = theykadaari.



    btw -why baby oil in the smoker - why not desi ghee as used in diya - people will think you are cooking halva.

    sheesha (huqqa) is also a good idea, the work may get sidetracked though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STUNNER View Post
    Thats one good tool to have at home!

    When you start charging, please give an appointment to my steermatic

    That tool is damned expensive to buy for a home hobbyist.
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    @Xulfiqar pata lage sham ko @rustam54 ke neighbour naraz hote ho k desi ghe ka kalwa akele akele kha gae ho........

    I have a question. While exploring the car i found the old ECU was still connected there under the passenger foot panel. That ECU was for F18A and was virtually useless. I pulled it off. No effect on car so far as i had already integrated other things like ELD or other to new ECU.

    I noticed i had not connected Power Steering Pressure Switch. I have following questions

    1. PSPW has two wires one RED and one BLACK. Which one goes to ECU? or both one for reference voltage or other for sense?
    2. What are the logic levels needed to work. I mean when the switch is on Does it gives Positive 12 V or Ground Signal?
    3. I figured out the wire from pressure switch goes to old ECU Grip, The RED one, I suppose if switch is powered by +12 volts then its source would also be from ECU? in other words both wires are connected to ECU.


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    EDIT BY OP: QUOTE REMOVED TO REDUCE PAGE CLUTTER

    @rustam54

    Can you pm me from where you bought this scanner and what is the total price of scanner? I want to use it for my civic 2000 vti automatic.

    Also tell me what about software either it has lifetime subscription or limited? What will happen if software subscription will expire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STUNNER View Post
    Thats one good tool to have at home!

    When you start charging, please give an appointment to my steermatic
    Well it will be limited complimentary service to old members. Drop me an email when you come by Lahore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    ....................



    btw -why baby oil in the smoker - why not desi ghee as used in diya - people will think you are cooking halva.

    sheesha (huqqa) is also a good idea, the work may get sidetracked though.
    What work??

    Ahhh Yes. The work!!!!.

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    @Xulfiqar pata lage sham ko @rustam54 ke neighbour naraz hote ho k desi ghe ka kalwa akele akele kha gae ho........

    ...............
    Afnan bhai, halway ka zikr nahin. Its a lot sensative issue for people like me (You'll understand when we meet )

    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @rustam54

    Can you pm me from where you bought this scanner and what is the total price of scanner? I want to use it for my civic 2000 vti automatic.

    Also tell me what about software either it has lifetime subscription or limited? What will happen if software subscription will expire?
    Sir, Why do you want to use it on your civic?? Unless the requirement is some detailed problem analysis, the tool is beyond regular scope of a hobbyist.
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    @rustam54

    For your information, I am engineer and I want this instrument for detailed analysis and for checking my automatic transmission because Honda scanner does not connect to automatic transmission whereas all thing are connected properly and shown in scanner. Also I don't want to pay couple of 1k at dealership for easy work. So please tell me following things:

    Can you pm me from where you bought this scanner and what is the total price of scanner? I want to use it for my civic 2000 vti automatic.

    Also tell me what about software either it has lifetime subscription or limited? What will happen if software subscription will expire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Well it will be limited complimentary service to old members. Drop me an email when you come by Lahore.

    I live in Lhr... actually I tried to note after viewing this thread if car vibrates much but I couldnt figure if its a yes or no.


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    Im not sure what you mean by 'Honda scanner does not connect to automatic transmission'

    The poster has shown reservations for disclosing price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @rustam54

    For your information, I am engineer and I want this instrument for detailed analysis and for checking my automatic transmission because Honda scanner does not connect to automatic transmission whereas all thing are connected properly and shown in scanner. Also I don't want to pay couple of 1k at dealership for easy work. So please tell me following things:

    Can you pm me from where you bought this scanner and what is the total price of scanner? I want to use it for my civic 2000 vti automatic.

    Also tell me what about software either it has lifetime subscription or limited? What will happen if software subscription will expire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by STUNNER View Post
    I live in Lhr... actually I tried to note after viewing this thread if car vibrates much but I couldnt figure if its a yes or no.

    .............
    Your idle should appear to be same as in neutral when you engage D while pressing brake. If it is vibrating in N, then a TB check up or clean up can be done to prevent it.

    There are other scenarios as well, which I am afraid i may not be able to explain on text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @rustam54

    For your information, I am engineer and I want this instrument for detailed analysis and for checking my automatic transmission because Honda scanner does not connect to automatic transmission whereas all thing are connected properly and shown in scanner. Also I don't want to pay couple of 1k at dealership for easy work. So please tell me following things:

    Can you pm me from where you bought this scanner and what is the total price of scanner? I want to use it for my civic 2000 vti automatic.

    Also tell me what about software either it has lifetime subscription or limited? What will happen if software subscription will expire?

    your automatic transmission is hydraulic type with speed governor and throttle pressure cable - the two solenoids you see are for converter lock. I dont get what you want to achieve with this scan unit - To test your transmission you need the below item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    your automatic transmission is hydraulic type with speed governor and throttle pressure cable - the two solenoids you see are for converter lock. I dont get what you want to achieve with this scan unit - To test your transmission you need the below item.

    CVT Start Clutch Calibration  The AUTEL Way -1470129
    @Xulfiqar

    I am want that scanner to check the codes of automatic transmission. I went to honda 3s dealership for checking transmission through computerized way.

    They connected the scanner to ecu- all data was able to see at computer, no dtc, all PGMFI parameters are according to factory values but they click the AT option for checking the faulty codes for automatic transmission, the scanner is not connected to automatic portion to check the faulty codes. They said connection is not establish and hence we couldn't able to see the any faulty code.

    That's why I need that tool also I am planning to upgrade the car to some latest model.

    Can you tell me why their scanner is not connect to AT portion?

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    Hmm

    Did they really try to test the AT from their tool?

    Sounds like they were trying to con some money. Thev transmission in your car is hydraulic meaning there is no electric control. How do you expect this to scan something that's non existant.

    The transmission is pressure tested from various ports which are for the various clutches and control pressure. It shifts from pressure differential between the speed governor and throttle cable.

    The honda prosmatic can be interrogated . Yours is not prosmatec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Hmm

    Did they really try to test the AT from their tool?

    Sounds like they were trying to con some money. Thev transmission in your car is hydraulic meaning there is no electric control. How do you expect this to scan something that's non existant.

    The transmission is pressure tested from various ports which are for the various clutches and control pressure. It shifts from pressure differential between the speed governor and throttle cable.

    The honda prosmatic can be interrogated . Yours is not prosmatec.
    @Xulfiqar

    Yes they try to check transmission from their tool. I was standing in front of them and I checked two 3s dealership-same problem occurred.

    Yes you are right that transmission in my car is hydraulic then 2 question arises in my mind that are:

    1. How shifting is taking place and controlled if ecu is not controlled the shifting process?
    2. How can we get dtc or faulty codes to check any problem in transmission for my car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @Xulfiqar

    Yes they try to check transmission from their tool. I was standing in front of them and I checked two 3s dealership-same problem occurred.

    Yes you are right that transmission in my car is hydraulic then 2 question arises in my mind that are:

    1. How shifting is taking place and controlled if ecu is not controlled the shifting process?
    2. How can we get dtc or faulty codes to check any problem in transmission for my car?
    The dealers you are visiting are either idiots or are trying to fool you. As I said your transmission is hydraulic shift - meaning that is relies on a centrifugal governor to determine vehicle speed and a throttle pressure cable to determine driver input for shift hold timing. You are an engineer yourself - look at some blowup diagrams of the hydraulic circuits in the valve body and you will understand.

    Your transmission only has 2 solenoids on top which control torque convertor lockup, they only throw one DTC if they go bad of the convertor goes bad.

    Next time when you visit these 3s dealers - ask for their service manager and get him to demonstrate this testing on an exact same model car.

    about how do these shift? - I believe you are well aware that automatic transmissions are in use since the 1950s - no ecu etc controlled anything at all - all was done by a maze of shift gate, throttle pressure, speed governor, line pressure etc. Your car is no different (except that Honda automatics are a POS)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    The dealers you are visiting are either idiots or are trying to fool you. As I said your transmission is hydraulic shift - meaning that is relies on a centrifugal governor to determine vehicle speed and a throttle pressure cable to determine driver input for shift hold timing. You are an engineer yourself - look at some blowup diagrams of the hydraulic circuits in the valve body and you will understand.

    Your transmission only has 2 solenoids on top which control torque convertor lockup, they only throw one DTC if they go bad of the convertor goes bad.

    Next time when you visit these 3s dealers - ask for their service manager and get him to demonstrate this testing on an exact same model car.

    about how do these shift? - I believe you are well aware that automatic transmissions are in use since the 1950s - no ecu etc controlled anything at all - all was done by a maze of shift gate, throttle pressure, speed governor, line pressure etc. Your car is no different (except that Honda automatics are a POS)
    @Xulfiqar

    Very well and perfectly explained. I agree to you 110%.

    From your whole discussion I able to know that if any DTC comes wither due to 2 solenoids, engine check light will on and code can be seen through PGMFI system. Am I right?

    Also tell me about prosmatic transmission present in civic 01-05-their main principle etc like these .

    Either these prosmatic transmission present in civic 01-05 are controlled-shifting etc by ecu or not?

    Either these prosmatic transmission present in civic 01-05 can be checked by scanner or not?

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