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    Default CVT Start Clutch Calibration - The AUTEL Way

    ALHAMDULILLAH

    I had been looking for a bi-directional scan tool since long and been saving up for it. Finally the much awaited tool arrived yesterday. And I thought of sharing it with fellow members along with posting the first tool application.

    The Steermatic battery had completely drained in the past couple of days and the ECU forgot about the CVT start clutch calibration. Sadly this happens everytime if the battery is disconnected or it completely discharges.

    So instead of the old "drive upto 60 and decelerate method" suggested in ESM, I thought of putting the tool to some use.


    But before I proceed, I must thank the one person who made it possible for me to decide. Without his input, I would have ended up with a wrong choice or some chinese clone.

    The one and only, our teacher, our automotive mentor, our guru and our respectful elder brother @Xulfiqar bhai.

    Thanks alot Xulfiqar bhai.

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    Question: So whats my point:

    The point is: when your CVT starts giving poor idle in D (excessive vibarations), and idles itself all fine in N, you would want to calibrate you r transmission start clutch. Most Honda dealerships and some "gheroo-program" mechanics advise throttle body service, engine/tranny mounting replacements, valve body replacements and what not.

    However, its just a couple of steps in procedure to get it back on road hassle free.

    Happy CVT driving. Cheers

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    @Xulfiqar @afnan.bashir

    Okay I understand transmission in civic 99-00 is hydraulic not controlled by ecu. Please tell me solution of two different scenarios:

    1. If D4 is blinking, how to check the problem and how to find the faulty code?
    2. If D4 is not glowing, how to check the problem and how to find the faulty code?

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    the D4 blinking (which cannot happen in your car) is the "check transmission" warning indication light,

    If the D4 lamp is not working at all then its bulb is blown or neutral safety switch is out of alignment if its a regular hydraulic transmission, If its electric shift then the D4 lamp is wired from the ECU itself and that circuit also needs to be checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    the D4 blinking (which cannot happen in your car) is the "check transmission" warning indication light,

    If the D4 lamp is not working at all then its bulb is blown or neutral safety switch is out of alignment if its a regular hydraulic transmission, If its electric shift then the D4 lamp is wired from the ECU itself and that circuit also needs to be checked.
    @Xulfiqar

    I read the manual , it is written that if d4 is blinking or it is off, then there is some abnormalities in system and it can be checked by connection obd scanner. What is this written in manual for my car.

    Is this statement is very strong contradict with your argument that you told me in previous post?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @Xulfiqar

    I read the manual , it is written that if d4 is blinking or it is off, then there is some abnormalities in system and it can be checked by connection obd scanner. What is this written in manual for my car.

    Is this statement is very strong contradict with your argument that you told me in previous post?????
    That manual was copied from the international market owner manual. Your car's indication lamps are hard wired from the neutral safety switch directly to the dashboard gauges. The cars with electric shift transmissions have the "D4" or "D" indication wired directly "from" the ECU or TCU - (please note that I write from the ECU)

    The neutral safety switch on those cars have the "D4" or "D" switch signal going "to" the ECU or TCU - so when you shift to D the ECU turns on the D4 or D lamp when all is normal.

    If it senses a speed problem (input and counter speed error) or lazy shift etc then the D4 or D will start to flash (alarming the driver of transmission being put into limp home mode)

    Your car has hydraulic transmission and is devoid of such function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    That manual was copied from the international market owner manual. Your car's indication lamps are hard wired from the neutral safety switch directly to the dashboard gauges. The cars with electric shift transmissions have the "D4" or "D" indication wired directly "from" the ECU or TCU - (please note that I write from the ECU)

    The neutral safety switch on those cars have the "D4" or "D" switch signal going "to" the ECU or TCU - so when you shift to D the ECU turns on the D4 or D lamp when all is normal.

    If it senses a speed problem (input and counter speed error) or lazy shift etc then the D4 or D will start to flash (alarming the driver of transmission being put into limp home mode)

    Your car has hydraulic transmission and is devoid of such function.
    At honda, we they connected their scanner to ecu, when I turning the gear from P, R, n , d4, d3 and 2, these shifting was showing in their live data in pgmfi system. Shifting was shown in the live data. Its means shifting is controlled by ecu because it is showing in ecu live data when shift from p to 2.

    Why shifting was showing in ecu live data in pgmfi

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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    At honda, we they connected their scanner to ecu, when I turning the gear from P, R, n , d4, d3 and 2, these shifting was showing in their live data in pgmfi system. Shifting was shown in the live data. Its means shifting is controlled by ecu because it is showing in ecu live data when shift from p to 2.

    Why shifting was showing in ecu live data in pgmfi

    You are misunderstanding the scan tool.

    The change of the shifter position is registering the binary switches activity when they are shorted to ground as you move the shifter. Nothing more. If you were to see shift (as in prosmatec civic data) you would see speed sensors input data, shift solenoid activity, lockup activity data etc.

    Why do you think that Atlas Honda Motorcars gave you an electric shift automatic transmission equipped 2000 model year civic?


    Lets take another point.

    you also see engine temperature on the scan dont you? - so does that mean the radiator fan is controlled by the ECU also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    You are misunderstanding the scan tool.

    The change of the shifter position is registering the binary switches activity when they are shorted to ground as you move the shifter. Nothing more. If you were to see shift (as in prosmatec civic data) you would see speed sensors input data, shift solenoid activity, lockup activity data etc.

    Why do you think that Atlas Honda Motorcars gave you an electric shift automatic transmission equipped 2000 model year civic?


    Lets take another point.

    you also see engine temperature on the scan dont you? - so does that mean the radiator fan is controlled by the ECU also?
    Yes you are right but I am confusing that why live data showing shifting from p to 2?

    Also tell me how auto fan become start to turn on when reaching the specific temperature if it is not controlled by ecu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    Yes you are right but I am confusing that why live data showing shifting from p to 2?

    Also tell me how auto fan become start to turn on when reaching the specific temperature if it is not controlled by ecu?

    as I said the live data is showing the binary switches output as the lever moves - each position has a contact switch which shorts to ground. As this car has a K line it can show that bus data too given the correct interrogation.

    The radiator fan is switched on by a simple thermoswitch on the thermostat housing - it shorts to ground when the predetermined temperature of "closed" is reach. This activity grounds the fan relay bobbin coil and pulls the contacts to run the fan.
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    @galant1 there are various types of transmissions. Like yours and Mine there is everything controlled by pressure. Your ECU may just control the TCC Solenoids. Not the Shifting. Post Picture of your transmission so that we can see if your car has the one that came with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    as I said the live data is showing the binary switches output as the lever moves - each position has a contact switch which shorts to ground. As this car has a K line it can show that bus data too given the correct interrogation.

    The radiator fan is switched on by a simple thermoswitch on the thermostat housing - it shorts to ground when the predetermined temperature of "closed" is reach. This activity grounds the fan relay bobbin coil and pulls the contacts to run the fan.
    yaar what the heck how explains like this man and your these types of replies make me read your whole threads, very bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by star2 View Post
    yaar what the heck how explains like this man and your these types of replies make me read your whole threads, very bad
    what did I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    what did I do?
    In other words, @star2 wants to say is

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    @rustam54

    Can you please enlighten me how's your experience going on with the Autel, and especially what is your view of it working on JDMs? Which cars you have till date tried it on ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by star2 View Post
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    Can you please enlighten me how's your experience going on with the Autel, and especially what is your view of it working on JDMs? Which cars you have till date tried it on ?
    Sir, the experience is going along pretty good.

    So far I have had the opportunity of hooking it up to following cars

    1. City AT 09: Going into Transmission, DBW and Cluster
    2. City Steermatic: Going into CVT Transmission
    3. City iDSI: Adjusting Idle Mixture Adjustment (From Trimpot)
    4. City iDSI: Vario: Adjusting IDLE TP Value
    5. Toyota Vitz 2012: Transmission Access
    6. Toyota Mark X: For Hobby Purposes
    7. Toyota Gli 2NZ-FE: VVTi Testing ON-OFF, MANUAL CAM PHASE Changes, Manual Fuel Trim Increments/Decrements, Individual Cylinder Disengagement, Individual Cluster Gauge Tests etc etc


    Now here is the thing which inclines me more towards Honda's than Toyota's. With a Honda Scan, the diag tool takes about 1 to 3 minutes and fetches everything the vehicle has to offer. ECM/AT/EPS/Electrical/ABS etc

    With the Toyota, the tool offers so much more options before it can allow access to full features of the car. Example. you have to select multiple (upto 4-5 options) for a JDM car. e.g. Select Region (US,UK,JDM,Other) Select Yaris, Then Select 1KR-FE (out of other options), Then Select Frame Type, Then Select Production Year, Then With or Without Push Start, Then with or Without Smart Key etc etc etc

    If you dont select the right fields, especially in Region, frame numbers or production year, some of the options which are available in the car wont be visible. However, with the Toyota's (JDMs or Local), the startup is pretty fast.

    Like i usually say, I am still getting familiar with it. I hope this answers your question
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir, the experience is going along pretty good.

    So far I have had the opportunity of hooking it up to following cars

    1. City AT 09: Going into Transmission, DBW and Cluster
    2. City Steermatic: Going into CVT Transmission
    3. City iDSI: Adjusting Idle Mixture Adjustment (From Trimpot)
    4. City iDSI: Vario: Adjusting IDLE TP Value
    5. Toyota Vitz 2012: Transmission Access
    6. Toyota Mark X: For Hobby Purposes
    7. Toyota Gli 2NZ-FE: VVTi Testing ON-OFF, MANUAL CAM PHASE Changes, Manual Fuel Trim Increments/Decrements, Individual Cylinder Disengagement, Individual Cluster Gauge Tests etc etc


    Now here is the thing which inclines me more towards Honda's than Toyota's. With a Honda Scan, the diag tool takes about 1 to 3 minutes and fetches everything the vehicle has to offer. ECM/AT/EPS/Electrical/ABS etc

    With the Toyota, the tool offers so much more options before it can allow access to full features of the car. Example. you have to select multiple (upto 4-5 options) for a JDM car. e.g. Select Region (US,UK,JDM,Other) Select Yaris, Then Select 1KR-FE (out of other options), Then Select Frame Type, Then Select Production Year, Then With or Without Push Start, Then with or Without Smart Key etc etc etc

    If you dont select the right fields, especially in Region, frame numbers or production year, some of the options which are available in the car wont be visible. However, with the Toyota's (JDMs or Local), the startup is pretty fast.

    Like i usually say, I am still getting familiar with it. I hope this answers your question
    Yeah you cleared it well brother. it is a viable option for me after your reply. I mostly work on Nissans and would tend to do so in future as well. Anyhow, it is not end of the world i think buying a scanner, mostly professionals i have seen with multiple of them, i was just eyeing for my 1st best purchase that could cover me up for most of the vehicles here in PK. anyways, thanks for your support. If you don't mind, just pm your number, i might call u up and we can have a talk, if you get free five min.

    Regards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir, the experience is going along pretty good.

    So far I have had the opportunity of hooking it up to following cars

    1. City AT 09: Going into Transmission, DBW and Cluster
    2. City Steermatic: Going into CVT Transmission
    3. City iDSI: Adjusting Idle Mixture Adjustment (From Trimpot)
    4. City iDSI: Vario: Adjusting IDLE TP Value
    5. Toyota Vitz 2012: Transmission Access
    6. Toyota Mark X: For Hobby Purposes
    7. Toyota Gli 2NZ-FE: VVTi Testing ON-OFF, MANUAL CAM PHASE Changes, Manual Fuel Trim Increments/Decrements, Individual Cylinder Disengagement, Individual Cluster Gauge Tests etc etc


    Now here is the thing which inclines me more towards Honda's than Toyota's. With a Honda Scan, the diag tool takes about 1 to 3 minutes and fetches everything the vehicle has to offer. ECM/AT/EPS/Electrical/ABS etc

    With the Toyota, the tool offers so much more options before it can allow access to full features of the car. Example. you have to select multiple (upto 4-5 options) for a JDM car. e.g. Select Region (US,UK,JDM,Other) Select Yaris, Then Select 1KR-FE (out of other options), Then Select Frame Type, Then Select Production Year, Then With or Without Push Start, Then with or Without Smart Key etc etc etc

    If you dont select the right fields, especially in Region, frame numbers or production year, some of the options which are available in the car wont be visible. However, with the Toyota's (JDMs or Local), the startup is pretty fast.

    Like i usually say, I am still getting familiar with it. I hope this answers your question

    thats the silly toieta crap I hate - I mean what the heck....

    then OTOH you connect Subaru and its a whole new game altogether, funky stuff going on. German cars specially MB are still a bit crazy - some of their lower level SRS error codes pop up in german.. or their transmission error codes require a simple calculation on paper like subtract 80 from counting and add alphabet "fallana fallana" then find code - RIGHT.............. Im trying to fix a transmission not play pirates of the carribean here.
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    Salams.
    I like it, the equipment, but in specific your approach towards life.
    If you do not know what your car is doing then your car is just a piece of engineering. for transport purpose
    If you exactly know your car like the gut feeling , it is a living thinking talking listening and a loving creature and a partner. sharing your happiness sadness and stress. that is what I found being in a very close relation to the vehicles I have driven Specifically Freight liner Olympia & PetrBuilt for over 500K miles coast to coast. It was my luxury apartment on the road.
    I am impressed and pleased to know that there exists a mindset having a quest into depths.
    Past few days I was searching for some one who knows his art in analysis and diagnostics of Toyota Vitz , finally I was refereed to , but that guy was just a code removing kinda guy , and had no clue what so ever about parameters , so he made me go home with a nasty grin on my face.
    Your presentation has given me an incite.
    Do you have any program to extend your knowledge as a paid service , If not then guide me to a place where people know what they are doing.
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    Zulfikar.

    Some are born with a quest , they neither can return nor they have any wish to go back on the surface. They stay at the base of the ocean watching how the perls grow, and how the coral state transforms into gems.
    I think you are also in the same CAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just_a_legend View Post
    Salams.
    I like it, the equipment, but in specific your approach towards life.
    If you do not know what your car is doing then your car is just a piece of engineering. for transport purpose
    If you exactly know your car like the gut feeling , it is a living thinking talking listening and a loving creature and a partner. sharing your happiness sadness and stress. that is what I found being in a very close relation to the vehicles I have driven Specifically Freight liner Olympia & PetrBuilt for over 500K miles coast to coast. It was my luxury apartment on the road.
    I am impressed and pleased to know that there exists a mindset having a quest into depths.
    Past few days I was searching for some one who knows his art in analysis and diagnostics of Toyota Vitz , finally I was refereed to , but that guy was just a code removing kinda guy , and had no clue what so ever about parameters , so he made me go home with a nasty grin on my face.
    Your presentation has given me an incite.
    Do you have any program to extend your knowledge as a paid service , If not then guide me to a place where people know what they are doing.
    God Bless
    This is my dream vehicle that I lived in for over 5 years. driving 600 miles a day 24 days a month Living in the wilderness on the road state to state from deserts to ocean and from ocean to mountains.


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    Sir how hard is it to drive a truck with trailer attached ? Driving a vitz after peterbuilt would be peanuts

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    Sorry for such a late reply
    Peter Built was easier my friend as my environment was interstates of US. Every one knows what to do.
    Vitz I drive in Lahore . So you can make up the rest, how ever it has wonderful breaking system and is as good as Peter built .
    When I remember my Trucking time I rock

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