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    Default Honda CITY 2011, which oil to go for, is Shell HX7 5W-30 fine? (1.3, L13Z1)

    Just a quick question from any owner who has used these before - sorry if there's already a thread for this.

    I personally wanted to go for a (fully synthetic) 5W-40 oil to give a wide range of tolerances.

    But will 5W-30 be fine, too?
    And just to make sure, i'd need ~3.5L, right? (A 4L can?)
    (Forgotten because i don't get it changed myself)

    Thank you for any prompt answers!!!
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    I just rang a Mobil Distributer in FSD and he says only 2400 for 5w-40 fully synthetic? Is something wrong here or is the price correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anj3m View Post
    Yeah, I don't usually change it too often. I'm used to seeing cars go at least 8000 MILES before changing oil in England, but then again i also hear very often that the oils in Pk aren't as good as those used internationally. So its not hard to believe that Xulfiqar changes after 24k km!

    I think I'm being a bit too weary of something that shouldn't be overcomplicated anyway.


    So Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30 it is?! Or maybe a 40 then... haha...
    the cars which have such long intervals are designed for this, they have big oil capacities nothing less than 6 litres, and oil filters made out of fleece and oil monitoring computers as well. as well as less stop start traffic driving. only then can you go for such drain intervals. doing so in a small sump city or corolla even with the oem oil filter isn't possible even if we use mobil 1 which says on the bottle that drain intervals of upto 15000miles are possible.

    but with fully synthehtic you can easily goto 6-8k drain interval with oem filter and as already pointed above, the synthetic high milage myth is just that a myth, as long as its latest API rating which gives you better seal compatibility all is well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anj3m View Post
    I just rang a Mobil Distributer in FSD and he says only 2400 for 5w-40 fully synthetic? Is something wrong here or is the price correct?
    that would the one thats blended locally here by MAL pakistan

    get the imported one and check to see fresh not more than a year old date, synthetic oil has a shelf life of three years provided bottle is not opened.
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    officially imported ones only come in 0W-40 and 5W-50, theres a 5W-40 Delvac, rest viscosities are called Mobil Super not mobil 1 but they are also imported.

    some are blended locally by MAL and have different packaging as well as different API grade from what i saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    the cars which have such long intervals are designed for this, they have big oil capacities nothing less than 6 litres, and oil filters made out of fleece and oil monitoring computers as well. as well as less stop start traffic driving. only then can you go for such drain intervals. doing so in a small sump city or corolla even with the oem oil filter isn't possible even if we use mobil 1 which says on the bottle that drain intervals of upto 15000miles are possible.

    but with fully synthehtic you can easily goto 6-8k drain interval with oem filter and as already pointed above, the synthetic high milage myth is just that a myth, as long as its latest API rating which gives you better seal compatibility all is well.
    6-8k miles you meant, right? Yeah you're right, my father's Range Rover Sport uses 7L of oil!
    Yeah, SN oil has better seal compatability than SM oils - one thing i will look out for.


    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    that would the one thats blended locally here by MAL pakistan

    get the imported one and check to see fresh not more than a year old date, synthetic oil has a shelf life of three years provided bottle is not opened.
    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    officially imported ones only come in 0W-40 and 5W-50, theres a 5W-40 Delvac, rest viscosities are called Mobil Super not mobil 1 but they are also imported.

    some are blended locally by MAL and have different packaging as well as different API grade from what i saw.
    Yep i'll keep an eye out then as the guy did say that 0w-40 was not available. I'll google to see if i can find the diff. in packaging! And thank you for clearing that up, i could have ended up buying that local stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZainMahdi View Post
    Helix Ultra 5w-30. If you can't find it, Caltex Havoline 5w-30 and Total Quartz 5w-30 are just as good.
    If you get the oil from an authorised dealer or petrol station, you don't have to worry about fake oils; they are just as good as those found internationally.

    Yeah, that's what i'll do. Gonna go out tomorrow and start searching
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    7-8k Kms, even in my mercedes here with takes 6 litres of oil, and MANN oil filter the computer indicates oil to be replaced after 8000km,

    if you see the owners manual it says under normal conditions to change after 10,000km so you an follow that if you want, mostly the dealership and most people here operate under severe operating instructions in which owners manual says to change after 5000km, so personally i follow 7-8k, you can decide yourself which operating instruction heading you want to follow
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    I think you should go for Kixx PAO 5w-40. Its fully Synthetic, relatively cheaper than LiquiMoly, Mobil 1 etc and a very good oil. I think Its best for 80k driven City.

    I am using it in my City 06 since its done 75k. Now its odo is 102k.
    For a second car which is just 8k driven i use Kixx G1 5w-30 and will switch to Kixx PAO once it reaches 75k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    7-8k Kms, even in my mercedes here with takes 6 litres of oil, and MANN oil filter the computer indicates oil to be replaced after 8000km,

    if you see the owners manual it says under normal conditions to change after 10,000km so you an follow that if you want, mostly the dealership and most people here operate under severe operating instructions in which owners manual says to change after 5000km, so personally i follow 7-8k, you can decide yourself which operating instruction heading you want to follow
    What model do u have? And what was its country of origin? UK or Jap?

    I'm fine at 10k i think, because that 10k is a very sedately driven 10k. As i said before, home-college-home + Lhr every once in a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxxis View Post
    I think you should go for Kixx PAO 5w-40. Its fully Synthetic, relatively cheaper than LiquiMoly, Mobil 1 etc and a very good oil. I think Its best for 80k driven City.

    I am using it in my City 06 since its done 75k. Now its odo is 102k.
    For a second car which is just 8k driven i use Kixx G1 5w-30 and will switch to Kixx PAO once it reaches 75k.
    Kixx? Never seen that around before if I'm entirely honest

    What are prices like?
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    From shell pak website, oils price list:

    http://s03.static-shell.com/content/...dates-2014.pdf


    No Helix Ultra 5W-30?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anj3m View Post
    What model do u have? And what was its country of origin? UK or Jap?

    I'm fine at 10k i think, because that 10k is a very sedately driven 10k. As i said before, home-college-home + Lhr every once in a while
    w203 class, its 148,000km driven and imported from japan, i use mobil 1 0W-40
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    7-8k Kms, even in my mercedes here with takes 6 litres of oil, and MANN oil filter the computer indicates oil to be replaced after 8000km,

    if you see the owners manual it says under normal conditions to change after 10,000km so you an follow that if you want, mostly the dealership and most people here operate under severe operating instructions in which owners manual says to change after 5000km, so personally i follow 7-8k, you can decide yourself which operating instruction heading you want to follow
    Sump size is relevant, but no where do manuals state that "maximum 5k km only for sub-6 liter sumps". Trucks with 20+liter sumps have insane OCI's though.

    Your OLM indicated such a low mileage probably because it has seen a lot of cold starts and short city drives; these shorten the oil life. Highway drives greatly increase the oil life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZainMahdi View Post
    Sump size is relevant, but no where do manuals state that "maximum 5k km only for sub-6 liter sumps". Trucks with 20+liter sumps have insane OCI's though.

    Your OLM indicated such a low mileage probably because it has seen a lot of cold starts and short city drives; these shorten the oil life. Highway drives greatly increase the oil life.
    agreed, thats what i meant with severe operating conditions basically stop start stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by anj3m View Post
    From shell pak website, oils price list:

    http://s03.static-shell.com/content/...dates-2014.pdf


    No Helix Ultra 5W-30?
    Yup, its strange. I went to a shell pump today; they only had 5w-40 Ultra - HX7 was 5w-30. Its a shame, because Xw-20 and Xw-30 oils are already rare in the Pakistani market.

    You could try Caltex Havoline 5w-30, Total Quartz 9000 5w-30, or HX-7 5w-30.
    Kixx is the only brand with a Group IV base stock 0w-20 oil in Pakistan. The above mentioned oils are Group III at best. See if you can find Kixx 0w-20 at a Caltex station - otherwise the other choices are not bad, and more easiliy available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    w203 class, its 148,000km driven and imported from japan, i use mobil 1 0W-40

    Cool. Facelift? And no wonder u were quoting in kms (since its JDM).

    I too kind of thought that the 8000km alert was a bit low for a merc! Must get stuck in traffic often then lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZainMahdi View Post
    Yup, its strange. I went to a shell pump today; they only had 5w-40 Ultra - HX7 was 5w-30. Its a shame, because Xw-20 and Xw-30 oils are already rare in the Pakistani market.

    You could try Caltex Havoline 5w-30, Total Quartz 9000 5w-30, or HX-7 5w-30.
    Kixx is the only brand with a Group IV base stock 0w-20 oil in Pakistan. The above mentioned oils are Group III at best. See if you can find Kixx 0w-20 at a Caltex station - otherwise the other choices are not bad, and more easiliy available.

    To make it stranger: it says on their website that HX7 would be the 'standard choice' for a PKDM CITY and that Ultra *5W-30* would be 'premium choice' ... Hang on a minute, let's just back-track. How are we meant to use Ultra 5W-30 when you aren't even supplying it to us?


    I've been hit hard with severe start-stop traffic since I've been back: they're making a new underpass in Fsd so all traffic is diverted to my daily route. Where it took me 15-20mins to do 9km, it can now take me up to 30mins. It dawned on me at this point that i should change the oil now
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    Quote Originally Posted by anj3m View Post
    Cool. Facelift? And no wonder u were quoting in kms (since its JDM).

    I too kind of thought that the 8000km alert was a bit low for a merc! Must get stuck in traffic often then lol
    pre faceleift, heres the thread if you care

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/mem...c-class-w203-2

    it also has the cost of the oil change mentioned along with other stuff

    it either driven within the driveway of my house once or twice a week where you can get it upto 50km/h or a blast down lahore ring road once a month. and a out of city trip on motorway if any and its this car turn, so the driving around the driveway is what causes the oil to require changing more often.

    till date i have never used it to go from A to B just for fun and for any maintaince if required.
    i use 0W-40 in corolla gli as well and follow 7k drain interval as its 150,000km driven, it spends a lot of time idling especially minimum 50 minutes a day just in waiting and idling outside home, study etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    pre faceleift, heres the thread if you care

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/mem...c-class-w203-2

    it also has the cost of the oil change mentioned along with other stuff

    it either driven within the driveway of my house once or twice a week where you can get it upto 50km/h or a blast down lahore ring road once a month. and a out of city trip on motorway if any and its this car turn, so the driving around the driveway is what causes the oil to require changing more often.

    till date i have never used it to go from A to B just for fun and for any maintaince if required.
    i use 0W-40 in corolla gli as well and follow 7k drain interval as its 150,000km driven, it spends a lot of time idling especially minimum 50 minutes a day just in waiting and idling outside home, study etc

    Just went thru the thread, it looks great. I'm a die-hard fan of mercs. Always have been and probably always will be

    Here's my mods thread if anyone cares for the humble CITY

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/mem...transformation
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    Right, its done.

    Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40 it was! Bought for exactly 3660 as per price list from shell pump. Note that it only says 'gasoline engines' and not 'gasoline and cng engines'

    Question: where can i find the mfg date on the can? The back side is empty.

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