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    Thought i should update everyone on my recent trip to Honda Classic I.10 at 80K. I knew what i had to get done but still wanted to ask them for an estimate. They gave me an outrageous estimate of Rs 40,000 (Attached), included silly things like Brake and Transmission oil change even though i know those oils do not require changing yet (maybe at 100K). Only the labor Honda was charging was Rs 12,500!! I laughed and went straight to where i usually go. Autoclub, I.10, Islamabad, literally around the corner from Honda Classic. I used to get the oil change and brake servicing etc from them in the past but this was the first time i went there for a bigger task. Throttle body and Catalytic Converters cleanup along with the usual Oil change, Air/Oil filters and Brakes servicing etc. I was in 2 minds as I had read that ALWAYS GO TO HONDA for throttle body + cat cleanup and it requires re-calibration and it is very sensitive and ordinary mechanics mess the cars up etc etc but anyway i decided to give this workshop a try.

    Massive Cost Saving: Total cost of the WHOLE JOB at Autoclub, including parts and labor was Rs 10,700. Attached are the pictures of how they cleaned the secondary catalytic converter by cutting and welding it back again. Honda only uses a brush to clean it no matter how dirty it is. The primary catalytic converter was not even cleanable (too much carbon in it) so the guys at Autoclub cut it open, replaced the ceramic plates inside it and welded it back together. They adjusted the tappets, cleaned the throttle body, cleaned both primary and secondary catalytic converters, replaced the ceramic plates on cat 1, serviced the brakes, cleaned plugs, greased up the clutch, changed car oil, air filter, oil filter. All within Rs 10,700!!

    Re-calibration of RPM after throttle body clean up: I read a lot of articles about how we should only go to Honda for the throttle body clean up as the RPM/Throttle has to be re-calibrated. Which is true and the guys at Autoclub told me that we may have to take the car to Honda for re-calibration (extra Rs 2000) once the work is done but usually we clean it in a way that it does not need to be re-calibrated. And finally after the cleanup I did not require the honda visit as the RPM was perfectly stable. (Another cost saving). Honda 3S charges Rs 2000 for this and do it even if your car is OK.

    Result: Car fuel average went up from 14.1 kmpl to 17.3 kmpl within islamabad (yes within city with all the traffic lights and speed breakers) and i'm not even joking how much a difference this cleaning made. I've driven about 200 KM since and the average keeps getting better everyday.

    Recommendation: Take your car there now and get this stuff cleaned if you've crossed 40K or if your fuel economy has massively dropped recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsGuardian View Post
    its the one on peshawar road rwp?

    Yes you should use 3 bottles as in my case 2 bottle were not enough and they poured in a bit of tap water. Ask them what will they do in this 5500 and report here? will they just open up the radiator and clean it + coolant change or are they going to go for complete cooling system flush (which is what they should do)
    Yes sir on peshawar road..i catagorically asked them what all they will do? they said they will take out the radiator and send it somewhere for cleaning (please note, not at their own workshop), once it will be cleaned they will bring it back to their workshop and install back. No flushing will be done and this process would cost PKR 5500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    Yes sir on peshawar road..i catagorically asked them what all they will do? they said they will take out the radiator and send it somewhere for cleaning (please note, not at their own workshop), once it will be cleaned they will bring it back to their workshop and install back. No flushing will be done and this process would cost PKR 5500.

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    exactly the same process was done by honda classic i10 at 4000 PKR this Saturday. I suggest don't go to any of them, better find a good mechanic or ask autoclub regarding their process. Whatever the outside contractor does to radiator is not in front of us so we don't know what mess he may create. I will strictly go against this so called radiator cleaning. Its an open call for trouble in all cases, i went through the process and i would never advise any one to do it.

    it is useless to JUST clean the radiator but not flushing the whole system. They do not even run water once through the system so the deposits inside will clog the radiator lines once again.
    How old is your car? when was the last time coolant was changed? tell us some history so that we can advise you better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zackgrays View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Thought i should update everyone on my recent trip to Honda Classic I.10 at 80K. I knew what i had to get done but still wanted to ask them for an estimate. They gave me an outrageous estimate of Rs 40,000 (Attached), included silly things like Brake and Transmission oil change even though i know those oils do not require changing yet (maybe at 100K). Only the labor Honda was charging was Rs 12,500!! I laughed and went straight to where i usually go. Autoclub, I.10, Islamabad, literally around the corner from Honda Classic. I used to get the oil change and brake servicing etc from them in the past but this was the first time i went there for a bigger task. Throttle body and Catalytic Converters cleanup along with the usual Oil change, Air/Oil filters and Brakes servicing etc. I was in 2 minds as I had read that ALWAYS GO TO HONDA for throttle body + cat cleanup and it requires re-calibration and it is very sensitive and ordinary mechanics mess the cars up etc etc but anyway i decided to give this workshop a try.

    Massive Cost Saving: Total cost of the WHOLE JOB at Autoclub, including parts and labor was Rs 10,700. Attached are the pictures of how they cleaned the secondary catalytic converter by cutting and welding it back again. Honda only uses a brush to clean it no matter how dirty it is. The primary catalytic converter was not even cleanable (too much carbon in it) so the guys at Autoclub cut it open, replaced the ceramic plates inside it and welded it back together. They adjusted the tappets, cleaned the throttle body, cleaned both primary and secondary catalytic converters, replaced the ceramic plates on cat 1, serviced the brakes, cleaned plugs, greased up the clutch, changed car oil, air filter, oil filter. All within Rs 10,700!!

    Re-calibration of RPM after throttle body clean up: I read a lot of articles about how we should only go to Honda for the throttle body clean up as the RPM/Throttle has to be re-calibrated. Which is true and the guys at Autoclub told me that we may have to take the car to Honda for re-calibration (extra Rs 2000) once the work is done but usually we clean it in a way that it does not need to be re-calibrated. And finally after the cleanup I did not require the honda visit as the RPM was perfectly stable. (Another cost saving). Honda 3S charges Rs 2000 for this and do it even if your car is OK.

    Result: Car fuel average went up from 14.1 kmpl to 17.3 kmpl within islamabad (yes within city with all the traffic lights and speed breakers) and i'm not even joking how much a difference this cleaning made. I've driven about 200 KM since and the average keeps getting better everyday.

    Recommendation: Take your car there now and get this stuff cleaned if you've crossed 40K or if your fuel economy has massively dropped recently.
    Autoclub i-10 complete address and phone number

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsGuardian View Post
    You know the last time i got throttle body serviced from honda classic they did not do the idle re-learn process. I had to search all over the internet myself regarding rough idle and then i found it that it is a necessary process after any work is done on throttle body. The mechanic simply plugged the obd2 and checked for any ecu code and said its good to go. No calibration /idle re-learn.
    I cant get over with it that they are charging 2000 for a simple 6 step, 20mins process
    Honda 3S mechanics are useless. Charge a lot, work like amateurs and enjoy the benefit of being a big company employee which will ALWAYS keep getting customers no matter how bad they work. Only consult them if you require a genuine OEM part, otherwise dont get choona-fied from them

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkkd View Post
    Autoclub i-10 complete address and phone number

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    Autoclub, Service Rd East I-10/3, Islamabad. I don't have their phone number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zackgrays View Post
    hey Arzaam, this article is to address the countless posts of fuel economy dropping in Honda City and not an advert for autoclub. That being said, they only have genuine OEM parts and charge exactly the same for all parts as Honda or any other OEM. You can even bring your own parts from Honda around the corner and get them to install them for you. The benefit is the labor costs. I have maintained my City from Honda 3S till 60K, spent a lot of money there and I do feel the guys at autoclub put in the extra effort while charging noticeably lesser. I dont see any difference in work standards and Honda 3S is uselessly expensive. As far as the oils are concerned, brake/transmission was changed by Honda already at 50K so i'm good.

    Islamabad and Rawalpindi has had a lot of roads and structures built recently and the air filter can only manage so much Btw if you notice in the photos i posted. The throttle body which Honda had already cleaned at 40K is black with carbon. Same was the case with exhaust sensor and catalytic converters before cleanup (Honda only cleaned them with a hard brush at 40K and even left marks inside). Autoclub used petrol to clean the throttle body and the converters were cleaned with some special spray first and then air. They did the same with spark plugs, cleaner spray first and then pressurized air (same way Honda cleans them). The car drives a lot better and fuel economy has increased significantly. Maybe get your Cat checked too, these are things the user manual wont tell you
    thanks brother for the explanation, i was merely asking if autoclub follows procedures by the book which i understand no one seem to do here even honda classic, and yes i understand the issue with labour costs of 3S though toyota walton always give me free labour costs as i am instructing and brining my own tools so much. anyway i personally never had a issue by going by the book, i dont have any honda car at the moment though i owned 2011 civic for a year and 2005 civic also and two thai accords over the years and never had such issues such as catalytic convertors or throttle body needing to be cleaned without any drop in performance or fuel economy, both my current altis and one of them is 2006 never had their throttle bodies cleaned with petrol or anything and only one time did the MAf have to be cleaned as indicated by OBD live data and at that time throttle body was opened and found to be perfectly normal. and still was not cleaned. i never had the catalytic convertors touched in 10 years and am no worse off for it, catalytic convertor service is not a official procedure and you can check the condition of the cats by having a infrared thermometer and seeing the temperature difference at the front and back of the cat, if there is a difference of 100C or more then it means it working and not choked, and mine never got choked. o2 sensors and other stuff can be monitored usign OBD to check the health of the exhuast. now your cats did seemed chocked and you are not the only one so i dont know why whether its the engine oil or petrol you use or if you have a very relaxed driving style driving at mostly low rpms that they get chocked. and yes islamabad has dust but its hardly any, cars and service manuals are also deisgned to cater to dubai and middle east and other way more dusty places than islamabad, there is nothing special about our environment that it would take its toll on cars. both my altis do great fuel consumption like they used to no drop, and would happily run all the way to redline without any hesitation.

    but thanks for clearing up some procedures about autoclub and since you got the brake fluid and MT changed anyway i guess you are no worse off and did save some money but you could save a lot more by following proper procedures and elongated the life of your car
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsGuardian View Post
    It was in a little quantity, will it start causing rust and stuff? Currently the cooling system had 0 rust and very little white deposits...



    You are right it is premixed with water but in a sense, Sk_KingpiN is right. He should have at least used distil water



    This weekend i got 4 wheel brake service from honda classic, they did not use silicone grease. It was an unknown brand grease bottle laying around cap-less on their working table.

    Not that i am in favour of autoclub because i haven't been to them but i have been going to honda classic since day 1 and for the past year their service quality has decreased drastically.

    In the radiator service job, they were unable to get the radiator out of car. As if the mechanic had never done it before. They then called another mechanic then another and finally they removed battery, its seating plate and then it came out. Had they been professional, they would already know how to take things apart is such congested engine bay of civic 05. I asked mechanic that new civic is coming so are you guys going to get training? he said only supervisor go for two day training. Its not even needed as everything is same. I said there is a new engine with turbo so it is different but he kept saying all engines are same. Only one or two mechanics there are good, rest all have skill and approach of any road side mechanic. I asked a senior mechanic that shocks make air bubbles like noise on high jumps, what is the issue? he said service k waqt neche tail lagva lia karen. Can you image a honda dealership mechanic saying that?

    Then when they fitted radiator back. I cleared the payments and started going for my home, on first jump on the road. There was a khar khar khar noise from engine bay. I took it back to them (it was already 3pm, their chutti time) and showed it to their supervisor, he said its the shocks noise. I said it was not coming before i got the job done. Then they said to come on monday.

    On the weekend i tested and inspected the noise myself. I found out that one fan was not seated properly. The plastic of second radiator fan was stuck with the engine bay metal bracket (this indicates radiator is not aligned properly). Then i went down the car and saw that one of the rubbing mountings was broken. It was not broken when they fixed the radiator back, this again indicates that radiator was not aligned properly.
    On monday another mechanic came along with two previous ones, he seemed to have some knowledge on fixing it (hes the guy who said that tail lagva lia karen) as he took the lead on process. They loosened everything and put it back, i asked them to install new rubber mount but they just tapped (nito tape) it and put it back. Thank fully this time there were no sounds on jumps.

    Then there was another time i got my compressor pulley job done from Aqash, one of their very senior mechanic in honda and known to many here. Other honda mechanics call him aqash bhai and he is usually called up by them when they cannot fix something. So the pulley was making noise, i wanted him to open the pulley so that we can inspect and change bearing if required. He went with the typical approach of hammer. He kept hammering the pulley with a flat screw driver and obviously it slipped many times and hit the groves inside pulley (where belt sits). The pulley wouldn't come out so after like 15mins of trying, he went to shop in front and brought pulley puller (those who don't know, google it) using that tool, the pulley came off easily. The price of kabli pulley alone is 1000-1500 and he ruined the pulley just because of carelessness and bad approach to a problem. After this incident i never went back to him for any job. I still meet him now and then in dealership, lol wo bhi sochta hoga k mujse kam kun nahi karata

    Read my post above regarding their pro radiator service. They charged 4000 to just open up a radiator, send it to some contractor shop in khayban and fit it back in. There is another question what sort of quality work did the contractor do? The radiator came back in an hour btw... I asked their supervisor that what is the use of just cleaning the radiator when you are not opening heater coils, thermostat valve, not even the drain bolt on engine block. They said it is not needed and we don't do that bla bla. They did not even run water through system once so that debris can flush out. And as mentioned by Sk_KingpiN, their mechanic put in like 200ml of tap water in radiator. Not even distill water.... this is their professionalism. All the things mentioned in this para are not my wishes, its what the service manual states.

    The professionalism, for which we like to pay more than road side mechanics is gone from honda mechanics.


    I am seriously thinking to buy tools myself and do such basic jobs on my own. The only advantage they have are the high rise hydraulic lifts
    thankyou for the insight, i only care about following proper procedures that the manufacturer intended, if 3S also doesnt do that then never go there also, in my experience mostly with toyota 3S though that if you make a fuss they do follow all proper procedures and certainly have the equipment and stuff liek silicone grease if you ask for it, 90% of people arent like you or me who care about their cars and dont simply drop the cars of at the mercy of 3S and let them do whatever they want, if you instruct the procedure to 3S in my experience they are more than capable of doing a better job than the outsider especially with access to parts, and if its something like radiator service that they outsource now that they know me they plainly refuse to do such jobs telling i would not be satisfied, so thats how it goes, go the workshop that best follows that procedures and parts for that particular jobs, autoclub and honda classic etc are not good at everything in-fact hardly anything if they dont follow proper procedures, so its kind of pointless talking about savings when it both way you are loosing money in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    thanks brother for the explanation, i was merely asking if autoclub follows procedures by the book which i understand no one seem to do here even honda classic, and yes i understand the issue with labour costs of 3S though toyota walton always give me free labour costs as i am instructing and brining my own tools so much. anyway i personally never had a issue by going by the book, i dont have any honda car at the moment though i owned 2011 civic for a year and 2005 civic also and two thai accords over the years and never had such issues such as catalytic convertors or throttle body needing to be cleaned without any drop in performance or fuel economy, both my current altis and one of them is 2006 never had their throttle bodies cleaned with petrol or anything and only one time did the MAf have to be cleaned as indicated by OBD live data and at that time throttle body was opened and found to be perfectly normal. and still was not cleaned. i never had the catalytic convertors touched in 10 years and am no worse off for it, catalytic convertor service is not a official procedure and you can check the condition of the cats by having a infrared thermometer and seeing the temperature difference at the front and back of the cat, if there is a difference of 100C or more then it means it working and not choked, and mine never got choked. o2 sensors and other stuff can be monitored usign OBD to check the health of the exhuast. now your cats did seemed chocked and you are not the only one so i dont know why whether its the engine oil or petrol you use or if you have a very relaxed driving style driving at mostly low rpms that they get chocked. and yes islamabad has dust but its hardly any, cars and service manuals are also deisgned to cater to dubai and middle east and other way more dusty places than islamabad, there is nothing special about our environment that it would take its toll on cars. both my altis do great fuel consumption like they used to no drop, and would happily run all the way to redline without any hesitation.

    but thanks for clearing up some procedures about autoclub and since you got the brake fluid and MT changed anyway i guess you are no worse off and did save some money but you could save a lot more by following proper procedures and elongated the life of your car
    Good to know your Altis is running well. Corollas are a totally different story my friend. I kept a 2003 Corolla for nearly 10 years and never cleaned anything of this sort. It was still giving good fuel economy when i sold it after years of only basic maintenance (oils, filters etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    thankyou for the insight, i only care about following proper procedures that the manufacturer intended, if 3S also doesnt do that then never go there also, in my experience mostly with toyota 3S though that if you make a fuss they do follow all proper procedures and certainly have the equipment and stuff liek silicone grease if you ask for it, 90% of people arent like you or me who care about their cars and dont simply drop the cars of at the mercy of 3S and let them do whatever they want, if you instruct the procedure to 3S in my experience they are more than capable of doing a better job than the outsider especially with access to parts, and if its something like radiator service that they outsource now that they know me they plainly refuse to do such jobs telling i would not be satisfied, so thats how it goes, go the workshop that best follows that procedures and parts for that particular shops, autoclub and honda classic etc are not good at everything in-fact hardly anything if they dont follow proper procedures, so its kind of pointless talking about savings when it both way you are loosing money in the long run.
    yes that is the point of sharing my incidents because 3s is not following procedures any more. Look at usama1 post, he has been quoted 5500 for 100% same job which i was charged for 4000. I dont know how are you able to get work as you desire but at honda classic there are so many cars in queue that they tell you we will do this in this amount, now its up to you, take it or leave it. whenever i go to them, i always stay with car in fact supervise wherever i can but you are right, 90% of the people leave their cars unattended. This is one of the major reasons why 3s mechanic have become careless. Customers are trusting them blindly and its our nature that unless there is a danda above, log kam chori karte han.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsGuardian View Post
    exactly the same process was done by honda classic i10 at 4000 PKR this Saturday. I suggest don't go to any of them, better find a good mechanic or ask autoclub regarding their process. Whatever the outside contractor does to radiator is not in front of us so we don't know what mess he may create. I will strictly go against this so called radiator cleaning. Its an open call for trouble in all cases, i went through the process and i would never advise any one to do it.

    it is useless to JUST clean the radiator but not flushing the whole system. They do not even run water once through the system so the deposits inside will clog the radiator lines once again.
    How old is your car? when was the last time coolant was changed? tell us some history so that we can advise you better.
    Sir mine is 2001 exi, 178k km driven, never changed coolent, nor added any water or coolent ever. The color of coolent has just got a lill faded..rest nothing wrong. Never heated up Alhamdulilah

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    Honda classic has quoted 40000 Rs for AC service and spare parts for City 2014 at 25 k service, whereas I got it done for 2200 Rs. And now for 3 months all ok, why the hell honda wanted to change the compressor. Total choooona. Pathetic honda classis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7606 View Post
    Honda classic has quoted 40000 Rs for AC service and spare parts for City 2014 at 25 k service, whereas I got it done for 2200 Rs. And now for 3 months all ok, why the hell honda wanted to change the compressor. Total choooona. Pathetic honda classis.

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    Strange! why would they want to change the compressor at just 25K? I recently got 2010 city AC serviced along with gas and new pollen filter for Rs 7000 after 4 years from G8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    Sir mine is 2001 exi, 178k km driven, never changed coolent, nor added any water or coolent ever. The color of coolent has just got a lill faded..rest nothing wrong. Never heated up Alhamdulilah

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    you should at least change the coolant now. Hardly 2-3k of kharcha. Chemicals in coolant lose their properties overtime and do not conduct heat as good. rust build up is probable, and thickness of coolant also changes with time. You dont want to have jelly in your radiator

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    Can you plz attach the bill of Auto club so I can see breakdown of charges. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsGuardian View Post
    you should at least change the coolant now. Hardly 2-3k of kharcha. Chemicals in coolant lose their properties overtime and do not conduct heat as good. rust build up is probable, and thickness of coolant also changes with time. You dont want to have jelly in your radiator
    Yes, i will inshaAllah...soon.

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