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    Default Honda city iDsi 08 Engine oil reducing problem

    I have this car since 9 months. Its engine never felt weak. Every time it gave me good fuel averge. On highways it gave me 17.5km/L to 20.5km/L with AC depending on driving style.
    When I bought this car I checked engine oil condition and level. Condition was good and level lied between the two points. So I did not replace oil. After three months (car usage is very less) I replaced engine oil. I used Kixx 10-w40 and poured 3.75 ltr. The next day I checked oil level in cold condition and it was just below the upper point. After that I did not check oil level. In next four months the car ran almost 2500km and I thought to check oil quality because I cruised this car between 150km/h to 170km/h for about 70kms on motorway. So upon checking I came to know that its engine oil has been reduced about half ltr. It is an alarming issue for me because I never felt any blue smoke or any weekness in engine performance. Although the exhaust pipe is black from inside and not rusty like other petrol cars. I went to mechanic and inspected spark plugs. All plugs were in good health and in brown condition except their tips which were looking blacky. So the mechanic concluded that piston rings are weak.
    Now I did an experiment. I replaced engine oil with Zic 20-w50 and mechanic poured 4 ltr in engine. The mechanic checked exhaust smoke on high rpm and it was little black. He told me that its normal. Anyhow I came back to home and at home I checked engine exhaust at high rpm. Now the car is exhausting blue smoke on high rpm i mean at 6000rpm :-(
    So guys I need your help. Is this because of weak piston rings? Or is this because I cruised it on high rpm on motorway? And why is this blue smoke while using 20-w50 while before that it did not exhaust blue smoke when using 10-w40. Somone told me that 20-w50 should not be filled in full quantity i.e. 4 ltr and it should be 3.5 ltr.


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    Did u even download or read what its mentioned in maintenance part of Honda City Club thread here on Pakwheels?
    The total oil capacity of Honda Idsi engine is 3.75 litres if filter changed or 3.5 litres if not changed. The excess blue smoke is because of 1.5 litres of extra oil u poured in it. Drain out the excess oil as soon as possible. It will damage your engine if not already done.
    Than go through the above mentioned thread. Loads of information on maintenance.

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    Oh I did not know about Honda city club thread but now I will definately go through this thread.
    Service manual could not be downloaded from the link. May be it has been removed from the link.

    It is mentioned in Maintenance section of this thread that Oil capacity is 3.7 ltr. I poured 4 ltr. So should I drain 0.3ltr or 1.5 ltr? how much because of 20w50?

    Is my decision of using 20w50 is correct? If correct then 20w50 should also be in same quantity i.e. 3.7ltr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huazifa View Post
    Oh I did not know about Honda city club thread but now I will definately go through this thread.
    Service manual could not be downloaded from the link. May be it has been removed from the link.

    It is mentioned in Maintenance section of this thread that Oil capacity is 3.7 ltr. I poured 4 ltr. So should I drain 0.3ltr or 1.5 ltr? how much because of 20w50?

    Is my decision of using 20w50 is correct? If correct then 20w50 should also be in same quantity i.e. 3.7ltr?
    Yes it should be same in quantity no matter the grade. 20W50 is thick and mineral oil, your car will give u less mileage. Recommended is 10W30 or 5W30. Drain out 1.5 litre of oil than check guage and add the remaining .3 litre if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    Yes it should be same in quantity no matter the grade. 20W50 is thick and mineral oil, your car will give u less mileage. Recommended is 10W30 or 5W30. Drain out 1.5 litre of oil than check guage and add the remaining .3 litre if needed.

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    Sir he should drain 0.3 litre, not 1.5 litre. If you subtract 0.3 litre from 4 then you get 3.7 litre which is recommended quantity. And if you subtract 1.5 litre from 4 then it is 2.5 litre which is way less then the recommended quantity. OP please drain 0.3 litre not 1.5 litre.

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    I drained some quantity and now the level is slightly above the middle point b/w max. and min. on the dip stick. I think it is the standard level. But there is still smoke coming out from exhaust at high rpm. Now what would be the cause of this smoke? Piston rings? Or valve seals? Or any thing else.
    And how to differentiate b/w valve seal leakage and piston ring leakage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huazifa View Post
    I drained some quantity and now the level is slightly above the middle point b/w max. and min. on the dip stick. I think it is the standard level. But there is still smoke coming out from exhaust at high rpm. Now what would be the cause of this smoke? Piston rings? Or valve seals? Or any thing else.
    And how to differentiate b/w valve seal leakage and piston ring leakage?
    Piston rings if fail will generate blue smoke when you go for high rpms, while valve seals will generate blue smoke when starting cold in the morning.

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    Brother. Go to Sangeet cinema market in faisalabad. And get L13A or L15A engine. And get it fitted. I know a very good mechanic in faisalabad. He can do everything for you. My car was driven 333000 and it didnt give any kind of smoke but my engine was weak. So i simply replaced it. And now its again fit n fine. You can contact me if you need further details
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    Today I noticed that oil seepage exists around PCV valve. May be oil is passing through pcv valve and going to the cylinders through air intake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danial0047 View Post
    Brother. Go to Sangeet cinema market in faisalabad. And get L13A or L15A engine. And get it fitted. I know a very good mechanic in faisalabad. He can do everything for you. My car was driven 333000 and it didnt give any kind of smoke but my engine was weak. So i simply replaced it. And now its again fit n fine. You can contact me if you need further details
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    Brother How is it possible that the engine become weak after just 78k km?

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    When we change engine oil then it's level should be at top mark of dip stick not above it, right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huazifa View Post
    Today I noticed that oil seepage exists around PCV valve. May be oil is passing through pcv valve and going to the cylinders through air intake.
    did you check pcv valve ?
    yes if its faulty car will burn oil, you might need to change it
    p.s few oils suit idsi engine....i noticed if i changed brand to zic fully synthetic my car burns oil
    but behaves much better on caltex fully synthetic SN grade
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    @Huazifa
    Bro you have this car since 9months. You dont know how much it was previously driven. Secondly PCV valve in any car doesnt needs to be changed if yes the car is really driven 78k kms.
    Seepage around the pcv valve clearly shows how the car was previously driven and maintained.
    Why dont you get a compression test for your car. It will clear everything.

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    @hash4u and @danial0047 thankyou for your input.
    Pcv valve is working fine and there is no leakage of oil from it. Although some air was blowing from it when engine was in hot state. I dont know this air blow is normal or indicating some problem.
    2nd thing is that all plugs are OK. There is no sign of oil burn on it. All were rusty as usual.
    Mechanic concluded that ring pistons and pcv valve are OK and oil reduction is due to bad quality oil.
    But on the other hand car is still giving smoke on high rpm. And there is no smoke in cold startup. It means ring pistons are culprit.
    Anyhow engine is running perfect. Yesterday I drove 300km and fuel average was calculated 19km/l .

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    get compression test.
    Your ego is writing cheques, your body can't cash.

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    I have a question please answer IDSI experts only ...
    When you pour 3.75 litre engine oil in city IDSI where should be oil level mark on dip stick.... Between 2 points or touching upper mark of dip stick....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abart View Post
    I have a question please answer IDSI experts only ...
    When you pour 3.75 litre engine oil in city IDSI where should be oil level mark on dip stick.... Between 2 points or touching upper mark of dip stick....?
    Its less then 2nd dot actually
    I find it stupid n confusing myself
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    Its less then 2nd dot actually
    I find it stupid n confusing myself


    Yes dipstick shows around 80-90% filled after putting 3.75 litre engine oil, right? A mechanic says that if you pour almost 3.90 - 4 litre then it reaches at top mark of dip stick!

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    once i was looking else where and chief saab @ oil change shop poured in full 4 ltrs
    i got pissed. he said, sir tension na lain over nahi hoga sharat laga lain
    i leveled up the car and checked he was right.it was on upper edge of 2nd dot. not over as such according to dip stick
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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    once i was looking else where and chief saab @ oil change shop poured in full 4 ltrs
    i got pissed. he said, sir tension na lain over nahi hoga sharat laga lain
    i leveled up the car and checked he was right.it was on upper edge of 2nd dot. not over as such according to dip stick

    Correct! Not sure if it is harmless or harmful for engine since after putting around 4 litres it's level still located around top dip stick mark!

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