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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Metal contracts and expands to temprature changes, extreme temprature changes may cause disastrous changes or even disfiguration, niki jaye gal!
    I learned it the hard way....

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    got my babe a full tank of fuel.got half tank CNG and now leaving for rawalpindi in 20mins.
    miles on the meter noted, my guess is this trip will increase 600kms on the odo.lets see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    got my babe a full tank of fuel.got half tank CNG and now leaving for rawalpindi in 20mins.
    miles on the meter noted, my guess is this trip will increase 600kms on the odo.lets see...
    Mera moosmi bhai, sarkain napnay nikla hai phir.....
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    Salaam Bros,

    I m new in the forum. Intending to buy a new city 2011. Can u please assist me in clarifying the MYTH about the car "the suspension, if 5 persons r sitting so it tends to touch the speed breakers"

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by 371587 View Post
    Salaam Bros,

    I m new in the forum. Intending to buy a new city 2011. Can u please assist me in clarifying the MYTH about the car "the suspension, if 5 persons r sitting so it tends to touch the speed breakers"

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    Waa alaikum us salam

    I think this myth will apply to a lottttta cars,secondly we have various height speedbreakers in this country, har mohallay ka apna standard hota hai, but with 5 people on board my 07city touches our areas breakers, but my 11 city doesnt.
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    Yes. it depends upon height of speed breaker. yes this car touches with 5 ppl in car. not on every breaker.

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    okayy... now reporting from rawalpindi (thankfully, for atleast a few hrs my location on pw would be correct )
    done 243kms.
    200kms on petrol.and today, i proudly announce THE WORST fuel economy figures of a Honda city idsi
    8.99km/ltr (approx) Beat that!
    well, apparently there are a lot of reason which contributed! first one is that the fuel filter and pump in my car are still the one which were placed in it during production in honda factory in 2006 life of a fuel pump is 40,000kms n mine has done 2 lakh kms though i dont drive much on petrol.still shud be around 60-70k kms on petrol.
    now, the car sometimes refuses to accelerate on petrol.feels as if i ve hit a limiter for a fraction of a second and then it accelerates again.at a point today, in 2nd gear i pushed it hard but the RPM wont go above 5000, a few mins later, it did! it can be either a choked fuel filter or may be worse quality fuel...
    oh, yaad aya, today morning, @accord (amir bhai) called me and warned me about the pathetic fuel which is being distributed in pakistan these days, he saw some report about that on a new channel!!! thankyou Amir bhai, soo kind of u, i tried my best but still couldnt get acceptable quality fuel
    other reasons would be 140km/h all the time that i was on motorway
    yet another reason could be the 6 passengers plus a trunk 100% full of luggage and a full fuel tank too so i guess theres a lot i can do to improve the mileage figures i got today...
    anyways, this was the short "khulasa" of today...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 371587 View Post
    Salaam Bros,

    I m new in the forum. Intending to buy a new city 2011. Can u please assist me in clarifying the MYTH about the car "the suspension, if 5 persons r sitting so it tends to touch the speed breakers"

    Regards
    bro the car passes easily with 5 passengers without touching a speedbreaker, but if its rather a car breaker, then i bet u can hardly pass it without scraping , be it any car at all...
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    Wink The Rabbit's foot!

    I stopped at Kalar kahar on my way to rwp today,there, my younger brother found these gentlemen jumping around... so i grabbed one in a very technical way
    if anyone of u have ever been near rabbits, u ll know that they are faster then all the modified and stock cars combined in the world its almost impossible to catch them specially in open areas like the kalar kahar rest area, but since i had them as pets some time back , i knew the tricks

    here...

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    @mahmood
    bro u asked me to put up a tutorial about the cassette player FM settings.... i still remember it but too bad i cudnt get out time to do it
    i ll try to do that in the morning inshallah. sorry for the delay...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Waa alaikum us salam

    I think this myth will apply to a lottttta cars,secondly we have various height speedbreakers in this country, har mohallay ka apna standard hota hai, but with 5 people on board my 07city touches our areas breakers, but my 11 city doesnt.
    What is the tyre size of your City 2011?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    acha jeee to aab atay hain intake ki taraf, to yeh hai kuch pics engine ki halat ki, an remember this engine is run 98k

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    Salam bro,
    Mashallah the engine bay is looking just like new..
    Can you please tell me the place from where you got the breather filter from ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    I stopped at Kalar kahar on my way to rwp today,there, my younger brother found these gentlemen jumping around... so i grabbed one in a very technical way
    if anyone of u have ever been near rabbits, u ll know that they are faster then all the modified and stock cars combined in the world its almost impossible to catch them specially in open areas like the kalar kahar rest area, but since i had them as pets some time back , i knew the tricks
    Ahmad bhai ki khobiyan, khargosh bhi pokar letay hain, it`ll look good on that resume An I think the rabbit yer staring at looks like a vamp rabbit or somthin, make sure he dont bite yer leg or somthin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    What is the tyre size of your City 2011?
    Stock car......same euro tyres every car comes with. 175/65/R15
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    @ all City lovers

    My city is giving me problem in starting ... when i start it for the first time in the morning it take a long self (before it get started in half self) ... after the first start it works fine and start in half self but the problem persists on the first start.

    it is driven 80k and got the plugs (denso) changed @ 75k
    please advise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    okayy... now reporting from rawalpindi (thankfully, for atleast a few hrs my location on pw would be correct )
    done 243kms.
    200kms on petrol.and today, i proudly announce THE WORST fuel economy figures of a Honda city idsi
    8.99km/ltr (approx) Beat that!
    well, apparently there are a lot of reason which contributed! first one is that the fuel filter and pump in my car are still the one which were placed in it during production in honda factory in 2006 life of a fuel pump is 40,000kms n mine has done 2 lakh kms though i dont drive much on petrol.still shud be around 60-70k kms on petrol.
    now, the car sometimes refuses to accelerate on petrol.feels as if i ve hit a limiter for a fraction of a second and then it accelerates again.at a point today, in 2nd gear i pushed it hard but the RPM wont go above 5000, a few mins later, it did! it can be either a choked fuel filter or may be worse quality fuel...
    oh, yaad aya, today morning, @accord (amir bhai) called me and warned me about the pathetic fuel which is being distributed in pakistan these days, he saw some report about that on a new channel!!! thankyou Amir bhai, soo kind of u, i tried my best but still couldnt get acceptable quality fuel
    other reasons would be 140km/h all the time that i was on motorway
    yet another reason could be the 6 passengers plus a trunk 100% full of luggage and a full fuel tank too so i guess theres a lot i can do to improve the mileage figures i got today...
    anyways, this was the short "khulasa" of today...
    You are most welcome

    wah Pa G maza a gayaa fuel filter or fuel pump ka phar kayy
    bus kar doo abb change kar loo "" kia bachay keeee jan lo gayy""

    and yes fuel quality now a day is very bad last few months I stopped using high octane but since last week my steermatic is again on hi-octane just try to feed her 87RON which I doubt, as the level of dis-honesty in our society and in this business is touching the highest level.

    ""fuel injector cleaner " which I never recommend as it pull all the debris in the fuel system "" but few of my friends used in their rides , & the method seems to be ok as they top up their tank and pour bottle of cleaner as per instruction just before hitting motorway and drove on high RPM's.
    http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/members-member-rides/266031-accord7362s-merc-thanks-god-loved-ones-who-remember-me-prayers ,199119-thanks-god-2011-ford-edge-limited-awd-3-5-v6

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    Quote Originally Posted by sardarsaeed View Post
    Salam bro,
    Mashallah the engine bay is looking just like new..
    Can you please tell me the place from where you got the breather filter from ??
    JazakAllah for complmenting the engine...I try! I try!

    Though wait for the pics I`ll upload later, the engine is due for another junooni session of cleaning...The breather filter I have brother was bought from Auto 2000 on Montgomery road, they had this colour, red as well as blue, and in cone shape like mines as well as complete round too. Other places where it was available were journey to music or somthing , its a shop that comes on your left when you exit the defence main gate, but they were charging double so I left it, I searched for two days an these were the only two shops where they were available at that time, now I think you might have a better chance of finding them, plus PW mod JZ had some for sale ...check up on it as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by accord7362 View Post
    You are most welcome

    wah Pa G maza a gayaa fuel filter or fuel pump ka phar kayy
    bus kar doo abb change kar loo "" kia bachay keeee jan lo gayy""

    and yes fuel quality now a day is very bad last few months I stopped using high octane but since last week my steermatic is again on hi-octane just try to feed her 87RON which I doubt, as the level of dis-honesty in our society and in this business is touching the highest level.

    ""fuel injector cleaner " which I never recommend as it pull all the debris in the fuel system "" but few of my friends used in their rides , & the method seems to be ok as they top up their tank and pour bottle of cleaner as per instruction just before hitting motorway and drove on high RPM's.
    Though I personally think a new fuel filter afterwards will be good ! The gunk from the tank might stay lodged in the old one an be perdioically transferred to the engine, what do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldevil View Post
    hello guys! can anybody quote me the approximate price for the brakes of city 2002??reply ASAP! thanx
    anybody plz help me!

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    @ vague_one.. MashALLAh.

    Plz tell me k cold intake filter easily available hai market..Price??

    & tell me da advantage & disadvantage of Cold intake...

    Thnx
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