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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    I've heard that if you install cng in city 07 idsi it starts to show check engine light even if there is no problem at all.

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    Default Few pictures of my cars engine bay.

    I usually dont sleep before sehri so I go to sleep after having sehri. Though today it was raining really hard so enjoyed it for two hours and then because I was fasting took advantage of the whether and went to clean the engine so decided to share the pictures with you guys. After coming back I had a hardcore sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    I've heard that if you install cng in city 07 idsi it starts to show check engine light even if there is no problem at all.
    Brother I dont have cng in mines but I think only when you fiddle with the sensors or some panga goes on with the car the engine check light switches on......I installed an air intake in my car an at first intake pipe didnt have a hole for the air sensor.....an during those 15 min that I drove to the kharadiya to get a hole in the pipe the check stayed on.....an I presume for cng people put air blockers in the breathin system...maybe its cuz of that....could be some other panga as well.....Ahmed yar daas naa!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    I usually dont sleep before sehri so I go to sleep after having sehri. Though today it was raining really hard so enjoyed it for two hours and then because I was fasting took advantage of the whether and went to clean the engine so decided to share the pictures with you guys. After coming back I had a hardcore sleep
    Baychain ruh!! Time say soya karo! Anyway coming to the engine pics, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice cleaning you put in.....aab mai to detailing ka shoukeen hoon, I can find couple of things you`ve missed an some other mistakes...Lekin cool man! Keep it up...put in some more detail an you`ll get there......btw what did you do to the Idsi sticker on the head cover??
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    After a long time I am posting something. Its about the trip I made on my honda city a few days ago. It was a trip to karachi yes I left on 15th and returned on 27th. The car really lived upto its reputation created by the thread. Well its my first honda and I am really impressed by them. The car was really economical we were six people 5 elders and one 11 year old and a trunk full approximately 100kgs of lugguage we also had lugguage inside the cabin the underside of backseat and my dad had a bag near his feat in the front passenger seat. One can easily imagine the load on the car but still it gave me 2.5Rs/km with AC at 3 and the rpm was ranging 3-3.5k rpm. When going to karachi from sukkur the car was pushed to its limits and at rpm 4-4.5 rpm it still gave 2.75Rs/km although we were only 2 people but lugguage was same. First day we travelled till sukkur it took us 900 kms because of wrong route in multan. We began journey at 4:40 in morning and reached sukkur by 90 pm. In all those 16 hours the car was only stopped for an hour and thats the total of all stops at CNG stations+lunch and after 16 hrs of driving car was like it can go another 900 without trouble. In sukkur we stopped for an hour and then left for some relatives home for dinner and car was fresh like it behaves in morning

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    The next day I had to stay for some work so family left for karachi in another car and I began afternoon I had a driver with me so we drove 50-50. When the driver was driving on superhighway towards karachi he decided to test the vehicle because he was driving idsi for the first time I noted that he tool the car to 105 in 3rd gear at 5200 rpm and that too on CNG with AC on and in 4th gear took the car to 130+ so I think it could have gone 150+ if he had tried. In my opinion thats not bad considering the economy idsi gives you. I would like to tell you that after drivers stretching of the vehicle to its limits its pick had significantly increased on same CNG settings I think its exhausts have cleared

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    One thing I forgot is that on first day I drove the car for 16 straight hours and it was really comfortable all family members had no major problems just slight backaches that went away in 30 minutes. On return I drove single handedly to lahore. From this trip I have really becomed impressed by idsi performance. I think if hondas bottom of the line model is so great than what would the performance of civic I dont know because I have never driven a civic

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    During my stay in karachi I also got hands on 2 generations of corolla both GLi
    1. It was 2006 but really disappointed me it was only driven 60k+ but embarassing
    2. It was 2010 and really impressive good quality
    My family also did not like the 2006 but they liked the 2010 very much. If I can drive 2010 city I can make comparison. But there is no comparison between city and XLI absolutely no competition

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Baychain ruh!! Time say soya karo! Anyway coming to the engine pics, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice cleaning you put in.....aab mai to detailing ka shoukeen hoon, I can find couple of things you`ve missed an some other mistakes...Lekin cool man! Keep it up...put in some more detail an you`ll get there......btw what did you do to the Idsi sticker on the head cover??
    Thanks! Didn't do detailed cleaning just washed it with shampoo and applied it with a cloth which had a bit of wax.(Don't have turtle car care products as I cant visit Montgomery because my driver does not know the way ) I know there are some places which are not well of and regarding the Idsi sticker it wasn't there when I bought it . My city does show the check light and the mechanic tells me that it is there because of the oxygen sensor that does relate with what you said. BTW what is pre soak ? :

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    In past june i travelled back from naran to attock in idsi 2004. I stopped at mansehra for tea and than at abbotabad for chaman icecream. It took 8.5 hr continious drive except for tea and icecream to reach home without trouble. But one thing to be honest it give a bit of hardtime for idsi at ascending towards showgran. But wt it says abt fuel economy is very right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    During my stay in karachi I also got hands on 2 generations of corolla both GLi
    1. It was 2006 but really disappointed me it was only driven 60k+ but embarassing
    2. It was 2010 and really impressive good quality
    My family also did not like the 2006 but they liked the 2010 very much. If I can drive 2010 city I can make comparison. But there is no comparison between city and XLI absolutely no competition
    Welcome back sir jee, an what an entrance you have made....!!! Glad to know you had a trouble free n relaxing journey.....regarding the civic, I recently had the chance to own an R18......sigh, ride was good, everything was ok, just the consumption let me down....9-10km/L, I`m gettin like 16km/L on my current 07 Idsi..................I`m in love with this car.....I`ve bought the Vtec version too, thats like a monster compared to the Idsi in terms of power, but economy is roughly the same......guess you can beat the car!!!
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    Pakwheelers! If any one is selling city 2006-2007 model under 9 lacs plz contact me at 0321-5295728. Rwp/Isb or Lahore registered... iv checked the market and frankly you can find cars from 8.50 to 10. I need a decent one with not very high mileage, i hope i can find one! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    The next day I had to stay for some work so family left for karachi in another car and I began afternoon I had a driver with me so we drove 50-50. When the driver was driving on superhighway towards karachi he decided to test the vehicle because he was driving idsi for the first time I noted that he tool the car to 105 in 3rd gear at 5200 rpm and that too on CNG with AC on and in 4th gear took the car to 130+ so I think it could have gone 150+ if he had tried. In my opinion thats not bad considering the economy idsi gives you. I would like to tell you that after drivers stretching of the vehicle to its limits its pick had significantly increased on same CNG settings I think its exhausts have cleared
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    From past 3 days my idsi is missing a little bit, both on cng and on petrol.
    It sometimes give a kick suddenly at minimum of abt travelling 7km and sometime not at all. I had tuned up the car + throttle + sprk plg cleaning abt 2.5 month ago.
    Wt should i do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    I usually dont sleep before sehri so I go to sleep after having sehri. Though today it was raining really hard so enjoyed it for two hours and then because I was fasting took advantage of the whether and went to clean the engine so decided to share the pictures with you guys. After coming back I had a hardcore sleep

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    what is that green box behind the battery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Thanks! Didn't do detailed cleaning just washed it with shampoo and applied it with a cloth which had a bit of wax.(Don't have turtle car care products as I cant visit Montgomery because my driver does not know the way ) I know there are some places which are not well of and regarding the Idsi sticker it wasn't there when I bought it . My city does show the check light and the mechanic tells me that it is there because of the oxygen sensor that does relate with what you said. BTW what is pre soak ? :
    If you need things from there tell me I`ll pick them up from any shop you want me to an you can collect them from my place, my office like a 2 min drive from Montgomery Road...regarding the check light yar, us ko theek karao,dont play or take lightly the check light, somthing might go seriously wrong with the engine an you`ll keep on driving thinking its just the air sensor........so please get it in order.....comprende?? Presoak is a powerwashing unit grade cleaner from Turtle Wax....
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    In past june i travelled back from naran to attock in idsi 2004. I stopped at mansehra for tea and than at abbotabad for chaman icecream. It took 8.5 hr continious drive except for tea and icecream to reach home without trouble. But one thing to be honest it give a bit of hardtime for idsi at ascending towards showgran. But wt it says abt fuel economy is very right.
    hmmmmm, I took my Idsi, with 6 people on board an luggage to thandiani.....theek hi gae thi even with a worn out clutch bearing it went the works..........but yes it is a little short on power compared to the new rocket from Honda......also the 2000 model was a real gem...............I cant forget my escadapes on it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    what is that green box behind the battery?
    I tink its an cng advancer.....used in cng kits for efi cars.....hope i got it right....wait for someone else to come an confirm it
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    I tink its an cng advancer.....used in cng kits for efi cars.....hope i got it right....wait for someone else to come an confirm it
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    I tink its an cng advancer.....used in cng kits for efi cars.....hope i got it right....wait for someone else to come an confirm it
    I think you are right, just saw this
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/cng...or#post2897298

    Mine one is black(diff shape) covered in plastic bag.

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