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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    @all
    Bro i wanted to have wheel cups of city 2010 for my city ..what is tire size of that alloy ???..
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    ^ i-DSI came with 13" steel wheels.
    The current gen. City comes with 15" steel wheels.
    Which model of City do you have?
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    salam ahmed bahi can u plz suggest me good disk brake for my city 06 steermatic
    i hv asked price from honda centre they asking 6.5k+

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    Quote Originally Posted by JANASHEEN View Post
    salam ahmed bahi can u plz suggest me good disk brake for my city 06 steermatic
    i hv asked price from honda centre they asking 6.5k+
    if u are talking about the brake pads, they are available in all price ranges fromm 500rs- 6000rs. i ve tried the ones which cost 500rs,1500rs, 2500rs and i found no difference in all of them watsoever.may be there is some difference in the way they handle the heat but if u dont live in hilly areas, 500rs "nissin" brake pads would be fine for 30,000kms.so just get them.
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    AOA

    I would like to tell you all that I am impressed with honda city idsi. Had a glimpse of its qualities on monday but today hats off to it. It can easily pass through 2.5-3 feet of water amazing and that too on CNG. although when I was passing through such deep water its electronics went off eps, meter, rpm meter nothing was working but the engine did not stop as soon as I moved to lesser water everything became fine. Also after passing through such deep water its brake were working absolutely fine even in 6 inch water

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    if u are talking about the brake pads, they are available in all price ranges fromm 500rs- 6000rs. i ve tried the ones which cost 500rs,1500rs, 2500rs and i found no difference in all of them watsoever.may be there is some difference in the way they handle the heat but if u dont live in hilly areas, 500rs "nissin" brake pads would be fine for 30,000kms.so just get them.
    thanks bro and yes am talking abt front disk break pad ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    AOA

    I would like to tell you all that I am impressed with honda city idsi. Had a glimpse of its qualities on monday but today hats off to it. It can easily pass through 2.5-3 feet of water amazing and that too on CNG. although when I was passing through such deep water its electronics went off eps, meter, rpm meter nothing was working but the engine did not stop as soon as I moved to lesser water everything became fine. Also after passing through such deep water its brake were working absolutely fine even in 6 inch water
    Sir, in our area the water is nearly around 5 to 6 inches during an average rainfall, today it was a bit special an I coped with a minimum of 8 inches of rainwater in our lane, the new ivtec city was ahead of me an it did well too.....so you can go a few more an it`ll still survive....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Sir, in our area the water is nearly around 5 to 6 inches during an average rainfall, today it was a bit special an I coped with a minimum of 8 inches of rainwater in our lane, the new ivtec city was ahead of me an it did well too.....so you can go a few more an it`ll still survive....
    In our area it is literally dry no matter how heavy rainfall is in just 20-30 minutes the area is dry, but I have to cross nadeem shaheed road to enter my area and cross 3 number stop at the end of rain drain and today there was 2.5-3 feet water there. Just a little bit water entered the rear area and when I started the car after 2 hours its battery was dead. Let me tell you whole story. The fan belt got soaked lost its resistance and could not move the alternator and hence the voltage of battery dropped below 12v thats why ecu stopped and all electronics failed but thanks god the engine did not stop. I think honda have installed some system that is batteries voltage drop below 12v only engine is kept running all other power consuming things stop working because there was no horn, no eps, no meter, even the rpm meter and speedometer were not moving. That is what I think. BTW everything is fine now

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    My car is giving me some trouble on petrol. Its like sometimes the cars rpm starts to drop and it feels like some body has cutted the fuel supply than suddenly it starts to pick and every thing becomes fine. This cycle happens after 3-4 kms. To me there is something wrong with fuel pump. Now where do I need to go for diagnosis. Please answer

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    Guys im lookin for city 2006-2008, budget is 01 million. but car should be in good condition preferably genuine. Can any body out of city fan club help me out in this regard. will be gratefull. Thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by JANASHEEN View Post
    thanks bro and yes am talking abt front disk break pad ....
    yes in plain areas it would not matter too much, but once i was climbing down from shogran height, i stopped the car in two places, one on my wish & secondly on car wish as smoke rised from left frnt pads. The idsi was gaining momentum on 1st gear as well so i had to push paddle for many times. At that time i make my mind that i will change brk pad once i reach home, but never changed it. I had done 11k with these, dont know weather they are good one or bad. But honda guys once said why they were doing suspension work that brk pad are not good quality and may ruin ur disks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    In our area it is literally dry no matter how heavy rainfall is in just 20-30 minutes the area is dry, but I have to cross nadeem shaheed road to enter my area and cross 3 number stop at the end of rain drain and today there was 2.5-3 feet water there. Just a little bit water entered the rear area and when I started the car after 2 hours its battery was dead. Let me tell you whole story. The fan belt got soaked lost its resistance and could not move the alternator and hence the voltage of battery dropped below 12v thats why ecu stopped and all electronics failed but thanks god the engine did not stop. I think honda have installed some system that is batteries voltage drop below 12v only engine is kept running all other power consuming things stop working because there was no horn, no eps, no meter, even the rpm meter and speedometer were not moving. That is what I think. BTW everything is fine now
    no eps, i think mean that steering should be felt hard enough. Accord may to possible lagta hay kay 12v say kam ho to kuch bak up system on ho jay per idsi may nahi. Let ur car dry and then see

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    no eps, i think mean that steering should be felt hard enough. Accord may to possible lagta hay kay 12v say kam ho to kuch bak up system on ho jay per idsi may nahi. Let ur car dry and then see
    bro kisi backup system nai toh support kya hoga because this happened 3-4 kms from my destination and I reached home without even once engine getting turned off. As far as drying is concerned I tried to start the car after 2 hrs and the battery was completely dead changed the battery and checked yes alternator was fine and all systems were working properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniyalahmad View Post
    ^ i-DSI came with 13" steel wheels.
    The current gen. City comes with 15" steel wheels.
    Which model of City do you have?
    Yup bro i checked , size of wheels are 13 .My car z 2005 ...only option is to get the 15 inch and then i can have that ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    My car is giving me some trouble on petrol. Its like sometimes the cars rpm starts to drop and it feels like some body has cutted the fuel supply than suddenly it starts to pick and every thing becomes fine. This cycle happens after 3-4 kms. To me there is something wrong with fuel pump. Now where do I need to go for diagnosis. Please answer
    yup.. must be fuel filter! how many kms do u have on ur car?
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    Ahmed - what is the realistic fuel consumption of an idsi on CNG and petrol both on highway as well as local.

    I read the bit about 26.2, which is exceptional, but I'm sure the daily driving figures would be different.

    Also please mention what should the rough price of a 2003-4 idsi in great condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    around 60,000 PKR i guess.
    That's impossible... I got my swift registered in 45k... Not to forget that swift has bigger engine that city i.e. 1328cc and comes under the category of 1500 cc car...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bango View Post
    Ahmed - what is the realistic fuel consumption of an idsi on CNG and petrol both on highway as well as local.

    I read the bit about 26.2, which is exceptional, but I'm sure the daily driving figures would be different.

    Also please mention what should the rough price of a 2003-4 idsi in great condition.
    Raises his hand......me me me me!!! I knoww, I knowww! Well part of it I know.....my idsi on petrol does 14-16Km/L intercity on highway does aroun 21-22km/L....thw 226.2 is in ideal conditions............not the daily driving we subject the car to.....

    Depends, if low mileage, non accidental, with cng would be give or take near 8.5 to 9.........................Ahmed pai jaaan, bro i`ve got anything wrong here please do correct me......meray nakis ilm kay mutabik yeh jawab tha
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