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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
    When the power of love exceeds the love for power, the world will finally know peace=Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Paino tay parawoo, thora neray neray aawaoo, Usman Bhai Almashoor Vague_one walay kehtay hain apni kitab gtg kay sunehri asool............jidher chaar banday ajayen, gtg ho jayegi.............date koi next week ki rakh lain Sunday ki, aur venue ko majority of city owner wali city mai rakh lain, so the whole majority doesnt have to move......that`ll make people ummmmmmmmmm an aaaaaaaaaaaaaa about coming to the gtg......what say ?? Aamir bhai zara nazre karam karain yahan.............
    Roger copy perfect Sir g , well said above

    I would say we are gathering tomorrow "" sab a jaoo""

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    actually may be I will fly back on duty on Tuesday 7th sep , anything before that I'm in
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    Quote Originally Posted by faez View Post
    usman bhai (vague_one) and amir bhai (accord7362) ur suggestion required for date and venue of an all gen city gtg
    Thanks for considering obliged !!!
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    lets make it happen lahore members .. \m/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    here! sorry its too dirty after the recent drizzle...

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    thnx. i had an idea that would help identify cars from the city fan club or pakwheelers who dont have stickers. as you can see the "I" of city looks like a carving. my idea was to paint it's inner part red and keep border chrome like it is done on the new corolla vvti emblem. p.s i might soom join you guys with a fat idsi
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    Hi Guys,
    Need your advice on Air Filter. What are your views on using the gen market air filter (guard) in the new city?
    Difference as stated before by someone, that the one from Honda is a bit wet and the guard one is dry.
    Waiting for the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accord7362 View Post
    Thanks for considering obliged !!!
    gtg pe apki presence to must hai na..... its really nice meeting
    Better to be on the ground wishing to be in the air than in the air wishing to be on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    lets make it happen lahore members .. \m/
    yar city fan club itna successful hai and it still doesn't have a succesfull members meet.... i say we hve an all gen city meet on 6th september.... venue can be decided after consulting (so that its easier for everyone to come)
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    thnx. i had an idea that would help identify cars from the city fan club or pakwheelers who dont have stickers. as you can see the "I" of city looks like a carving. my idea was to paint it's inner part red and keep border chrome like it is done on the new corolla vvti emblem. p.s i might soom join you guys with a fat idsi
    now that is a brilliant idea! im willing to do it on my car...infact it would look very nice on mine as its a red car too! let others arrive and discuss it... meanwhile, i guess we should find out what sort of paint shall be preferred to be used on this chromed surface!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaryab View Post
    Hi Guys,
    Need your advice on Air Filter. What are your views on using the gen market air filter (guard) in the new city?
    Difference as stated before by someone, that the one from Honda is a bit wet and the guard one is dry.
    Waiting for the experts.
    as far as i know, the wet one will trap more dust n keep the throttle body cleaner.dry one will work too but its life will be short... but let the new city owners arrive, they ll be able to help u on this one...
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    well i own city 2009 latest shape.....and previously i had city 2004...... though its a good car but lets b very truthfull abt it..... the previous 2004 city had severe braking problems..... it was worse thn xli even and emercy brAKES ..AAH FORGET IT
    Well as fa 2009 shape is xcelent and no doubt its fastest of the previous all... but leme count the serious flaws.....
    1. knocking in 2nd gear even after new computer software from honda
    2. knocking in first gear on AC..
    3. low on powr shuld have been 1500cc
    4. no boot lamp...nd its pethatic
    5. poor quality of plastic used for dashboard
    6. no rear seat arm rest
    7. heavy on fuel.... 11.5 in city and 15 on long.... some telling 17 + means moving at d speed of 80.
    8. rear leg space very less.
    9. black interior is hell difficult to maintain specially in pakistan...
    10. black arm rest kinda thing on doors gets dirty in days and then therex no maintainance for it....
    12. no remote for cd player..honda offe tht for 3000...i mean y not with the car...
    13. pethatic horn...... trust me it sucks...
    and then d price is raised aswell.....
    14, std of honda is getting worse..i had to go to honda centre to get a new front fender indicato lamp,,,it came off by it self...the clips were broken... is tht PDI thing in place????

    HONDA NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO THINGS BEFORE IT ALSO STANDS IN LINE WITH TOYOTA,,,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    now that is a brilliant idea! im willing to do it on my car...infact it would look very nice on mine as its a red car too! let others arrive and discuss it... meanwhile, i guess we should find out what sort of paint shall be preferred to be used on this chromed surface!
    bhai just go to any paint shop and ask them to make bright red. take along a vvti emblem and ask them to make bright red like that. around 250 ml with qalam shud be gud for all ur cars. if u want it really refined u can get new emblems and get them sprayed from a paint shop and then pasted on ur cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATJaay View Post
    well i own city 2009 latest shape.....and previously i had city 2004...... though its a good car but lets b very truthfull abt it..... the previous 2004 city had severe braking problems..... it was worse thn xli even and emercy brAKES ..AAH FORGET IT
    Well as fa 2009 shape is xcelent and no doubt its fastest of the previous all... but leme count the serious flaws.....
    1. knocking in 2nd gear even after new computer software from honda
    2. knocking in first gear on AC..
    3. low on powr shuld have been 1500cc
    4. no boot lamp...nd its pethatic
    5. poor quality of plastic used for dashboard
    6. no rear seat arm rest
    7. heavy on fuel.... 11.5 in city and 15 on long.... some telling 17 + means moving at d speed of 80.
    8. rear leg space very less.
    9. black interior is hell difficult to maintain specially in pakistan...
    10. black arm rest kinda thing on doors gets dirty in days and then therex no maintainance for it....
    12. no remote for cd player..honda offe tht for 3000...i mean y not with the car...
    13. pethatic horn...... trust me it sucks...
    and then d price is raised aswell.....
    14, std of honda is getting worse..i had to go to honda centre to get a new front fender indicato lamp,,,it came off by it self...the clips were broken... is tht PDI thing in place????

    HONDA NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO THINGS BEFORE IT ALSO STANDS IN LINE WITH TOYOTA,,,.
    thanks for ur comments on the car.i do agree with some of the points but not all!

    1 and 2: knocking is not the car's fault, its the fuel that causes it.so we should blame the fuel stations for that rather then Honda.
    3.low on power? the new city is low on power? u're the first one to complain! as far as i know, its the fastest 1.3l car on pakistan after mazda rx8. 100hp! while xli is 85, liana 89, lancer 90, swift 89, city idsi 78hp.new city is certainly the fastest.and 1500cc comes with its own issues.more fuel consumption etc
    4. there IS a boot lamp in newer cars.though it wasnt present in the early 2010 citys.
    5.agreed
    6.agreed
    7.i ve myself managed to take the figures as high as 23.6km/ltr (scroll back a few pages n see the pix) i agree that was extreme hypermiling but the car was giving 15-17km/ltr very easily with gear changes at 3000RPM. if u ve got a car less then 10k kms driven, wait for some time.the car that i tested had 18k kms.
    8.agreed
    9. thats true but u cant complain! what if u buy a merc SL with black interior, would u blame merc for making a BLACK interior? just because u cant maintain it?
    10. same as above.u just need to find a way to clean it.look into the detailing thread.u ll certainly find something to clean it.
    11. u didnt write an 11
    12. offer that for 3000rs? r u sure? i think its the showroom guy who r ripping off people! the pre comes with remote too.
    13. in what sense? sound? different people different taste
    14. PDI doesnt check each n every single nut n bolt.may be someone/something was pressed against this indicator lamp after or before u got the car delivered. this sort of small things dont really count.this is not common in all the citys that r sold.

    as for the standard, i do agree that when it comes to plastic quality,its certainly going down regardless of which manufacturer u talk about.have u see any new corolla? the silver paint finish on the inside door handle gets scratched in DAY... literally! there r such issues with each n every car assembled in pakistan.but honda n toyota r reliable, atleast they dont make u stop on a sunny day just because the radiator leaked or sumthing like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    bhai just go to any paint shop and ask them to make bright red. take along a vvti emblem and ask them to make bright red like that. around 250 ml with qalam shud be gud for all ur cars. if u want it really refined u can get new emblems and get them sprayed from a paint shop and then pasted on ur cars
    i think i ll tape the in inside piece of the I and apply paint or may be even nailpolish on it to see how it looks, trial basis, that is.

    Right now, im thinking to do a DIY with the interior of my car tomorrow.
    it needs cleaning, both plastic n fabric.the silver trim on the dashboard needs paint.i ll probably sand it down n then spray paint it n dry it under heat.
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    anyone knows the price of front wheels bearings and fuel pump/fuel filter of city idsi? mine needs both of these things now!
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    @city 2000-2003 owners
    if possible please post pics of your car's trunk showing fitting of CNG tank, i am interested in two things,
    1: how much space is there between top of cylinder and speaker board and
    2: how much further back cylinder is placed, if one can provide distance reference of cross bar behind back of rear seat and cylinder itself it will of great help.

    i am not happy with my installation mainly due to prefabricated rack for cylinder...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    i think i ll tape the in inside piece of the I and apply paint or may be even nailpolish on it to see how it looks, trial basis, that is.

    Right now, im thinking to do a DIY with the interior of my car tomorrow.
    it needs cleaning, both plastic n fabric.the silver trim on the dashboard needs paint.i ll probably sand it down n then spray paint it n dry it under heat.
    dont repaint urself. either cover it with carbon fiber or get it done professionally
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    dont repaint urself. either cover it with carbon fiber or get it done professionally
    emmm... dont want to cover it with anything.painting is the only option. may be i ll try it first on something else n see if i do well. n professional help can be taken at any stage (even after i screw it up ) just wanted to spend some time on my car.have plans to clean the whole interior today using a stain removing liquid...
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    Yesterday i saw a really screwed up grey city 06 here in Wapda town.It had crashed into a school wall and had been totaled. Feel sorry for the owner and the car, couldnt get the pics because was feeling odd to get them,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    emmm... dont want to cover it with anything.painting is the only option. may be i ll try it first on something else n see if i do well. n professional help can be taken at any stage (even after i screw it up ) just wanted to spend some time on my car.have plans to clean the whole interior today using a stain removing liquid...
    gud luck. i had an old wheelcup lying around. i sanded and resprayed it. well after the paint dried it was matte. i was like hell with respray im getting a new one.
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    very informative....make your mind for one.

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