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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaryab View Post
    Hi Guys,
    Need your advice on Air Filter. What are your views on using the gen market air filter (guard) in the new city?
    Difference as stated before by someone, that the one from Honda is a bit wet and the guard one is dry.
    Waiting for the experts.
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    as far as i know, the wet one will trap more dust n keep the throttle body cleaner.dry one will work too but its life will be short... but let the new city owners arrive, they ll be able to help u on this one...
    I am owner of city 2010 and using guard air filter from last 20,000 km and satisfy. The original lasts 10k to 15k kms and now I am changing guard after 5000 km and have no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Yesterday i saw a really screwed up grey city 06 here in Wapda town.It had crashed into a school wall and had been totaled. Feel sorry for the owner and the car, couldnt get the pics because was feeling odd to get them,,

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    yeah ! was abt to do the same thing.

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    Havent washed car since last gtg..........iss kadar gandi bachai bani hui hai!!!!! Whats a worthy contender to fill my idsi spot ? Remember I`m looking for economy plus comfort.......most of all i`ll be ruining it on 17`` rims........so please no mehrans an coures an stuff!
    usman bhai, how about 1.3l belta? 1.3l vitz or may be a super clean 1.6l vti 06?

    AOA
    My car missing problem which usually happened around speed of 80KM on CNG has gone after cleaning sparkplug although they looked fine, may be they have lived their useful life.
    Now i face another problem, it started few days ago. The car jerk on 2nd gear, its not missing as u feel someone pushed the car, it happens sometime & not always.

    and yes anybody knows the price of iridium plug, i phone the 2s rwp, and they said 1600/plug.
    Someone told me that they are 1000rs.
    Any idea from where to buy. am planning to install 4 iridium & 4 normal(4tips plug)
    i would strongly recommend against getting anything other then stock spark plugs.you will NOT feel any additional performance other then the difference of new vs old plugs.i ve tried 4 tip plugs 2 times on my idsi.no power gain! i tried it on my khyber n they did make a difference on it because its carby, efi engines put in fuel according to its own will,u just cant change that easily.
    secondly, these plugs can hurt the ignition coils.n im afraid thats the problem with ur car. they miss a spark so one of the cylinders cant burn the petrol so the car gives a jerk... get it checked from a good mechanic.
    iridum plugs from rwp/isb will cost u 1050rs.a friend bought 4 of them recently.
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    After 5 months of trouble free driving I believe my City is in for a round of maintenance. I am just waiting for this spell of rains to end after which I'll go for brake maintenance which would mean replacing pads, shoes and master cylinder kit.

    Also apart from the engine's performance which is mainly due to a really bad CNG kit my car's other problem is with the power steering motor / pump which creates a grinding noise.

    I was hoping if any of you guys could give me some idea of parts prices so that I dont end up paying more. I am looking for:

    New pads
    New shoes
    Power steering job
    Firewall job (there are gaps / leaks in the firewall that need to be plugged).

    Thanks!
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    Salam brother's.. How much would my city 05 sell for? 180K+ driven (completely on petrol).. complete Driver side, front and rear bumper, hood and left fender are repainted... Interior like new, minus a crack on the place beside the h.u...
    SS..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sardarsaeed View Post
    Salam brother's.. How much would my city 05 sell for? 180K+ driven (completely on petrol).. complete Driver side, front and rear bumper, hood and left fender are repainted... Interior like new, minus a crack on the place beside the h.u...
    emmm... my rough estimate... around 8 lakh.. + or - 20k (im not good at all at evaluating cars) 05 idsis r selling for as much as 9 lakh too but urs one has a lot of mileage plus repaints... thats why i think that would be the value...but im not good at it im telling you...
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    @nightsurfer...
    ur signature says city 99 1.3l... if that is right, im sorry i dont have price quotes of those things im sorry....
    the brake pads can cost anything from 500rs to 4500rs... 500rs ones are also fine.though if u live in hilly areas or drive mostly at high speeds, they are not recommended as they dont dissipate the heat properly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    emmm... my rough estimate... around 8 lakh.. + or - 20k (im not good at all at evaluating cars) 05 idsis r selling for as much as 9 lakh too but urs one has a lot of mileage plus repaints... thats why i think that would be the value...but im not good at it im telling you...
    Yes, agree +- 8K

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Sir, trust me,Honda city is "The best" car for this purpose.its light,nimble and fast.a friend goes from rwp to isb daily on his city for the past 1 years and hes totally satisfied.
    the only bad point about it is the fact that its a BIT cramped on the inside IF u compare it with the city idsi.but compare it with any other car n its spacious enough.
    CNG is highly successful in it so u dont have to worry about that too.
    Ahmed bhai. salam after a long time. I have been transfered from Rahimyar Khan to Islamabad. Now comes the question for installing CNG in my 2010 city. As I have to travel from Nowshera to ISB daily (280 km per day).

    I know people have installed CNG in their Citys. But I have heard it from many people that there is not much difference in driving new city on petrol and cng. Do you know how much exactly the difference will be? Will it improve economy of drive to the extent that overcome the cost of CNG kit installation in a year?

    Secondly, there is problem of Gas Load Management (specially CNG). Is it gouing to worsen further in coming winter?

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    For those interested in knowing drive economy of City 2010 on petrol:

    My City 2010 completed 8000 km last weekend. I am traveling daily from Islamabad to Nowshera (140km, including 55 km on Motorway). It is giving me 18 km/l when I make a normal drive. One day I did hypermiling. Keeping speed between 70 and 90 km/h (very boring though). It gave me 23.2 km/l and took half an hour more to reach my destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    For those interested in knowing drive economy of City 2010 on petrol:

    My City 2010 completed 8000 km last weekend. I am traveling daily from Islamabad to Nowshera (140km, including 55 km on Motorway). It is giving me 18 km/l when I make a normal drive. One day I did hypermiling. Keeping speed between 70 and 90 km/h (very boring though). It gave me 23.2 km/l and took half an hour more to reach my destination.
    One more thing. The figures are when AC is on for about every ten mins and off for 5 min.

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    kINDLY GIVE UR OPINIONS ABT 1ST GEN CITY 1999 MODEL,,
    CONS N PROS OF DIS MODEL..
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    Body kits available for all cars...
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    has anyone steermatic 2008 or 2007 for sale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Ahmed bhai. salam after a long time. I have been transfered from Rahimyar Khan to Islamabad. Now comes the question for installing CNG in my 2010 city. As I have to travel from Nowshera to ISB daily (280 km per day).

    I know people have installed CNG in their Citys. But I have heard it from many people that there is not much difference in driving new city on petrol and cng. Do you know how much exactly the difference will be? Will it improve economy of drive to the extent that overcome the cost of CNG kit installation in a year?

    Secondly, there is problem of Gas Load Management (specially CNG). Is it gouing to worsen further in coming winter?
    Well sir there is not much difference but CNG creates a difference. Last year when my bought honda city 2010 had installed cng kit and he is happy with it.
    He says that car is doing good mileage with CNG like 3rs/km.
    Btw I also belongs to rahim yar khan. Good to see a pakwheeler from that city too.

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    Is it necessary to change the Transmission oil in Automatic City every 1 year (or less) even whether the car is rarely driven, mostly parked ??? Does length of time be considered instead of mileage for Transmission oil ??

    anyone please ?

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    Need to buy some decent stuff for City 2011 in KHI, Please post detailing pics also if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Ahmed bhai. salam after a long time. I have been transfered from Rahimyar Khan to Islamabad. Now comes the question for installing CNG in my 2010 city. As I have to travel from Nowshera to ISB daily (280 km per day).

    I know people have installed CNG in their Citys. But I have heard it from many people that there is not much difference in driving new city on petrol and cng. Do you know how much exactly the difference will be? Will it improve economy of drive to the extent that overcome the cost of CNG kit installation in a year?

    Secondly, there is problem of Gas Load Management (specially CNG). Is it gouing to worsen further in coming winter?
    Sorry for late reply shahid bro...CNG would certainly save a lot of cash if u get it and it wont even harm ur car if done the right way. fuel economy will certainly increase.i ve heard theres not much difference in the performance on cng n petrol but a lot of difference in running cost.

    there is only one problem, we all know what was the situation of cng in summer (3 days off) dont know what the situation will be in winter when demand for gas will be at maximum everywhere. some people are saying CNG will be closed for like 2 months or so, in that case, certainly u cant cover the cost of cng kit in one year.
    but if we get constant supply of cng (dream come true, that will be) then yes, 280kms a day will surely cover the cost of cng kit in a year or so.though we ve got to do the maths... but still its feasible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    Is it necessary to change the Transmission oil in Automatic City every 1 year (or less) even whether the car is rarely driven, mostly parked ??? Does length of time be considered instead of mileage for Transmission oil ??

    anyone please ?
    emmmm.... its quite possible... some say that oil can be deteriorate by the passage of time... so, just to be on the safe side, u can change the oil. otherwise the life of oil is 40,000kms but even if u drive ur car, only a few people do 40,000kms a day so we cant say if we should change it after a year or 40,000kms.... may be whichever comes first...
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