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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homayoon View Post
    Salam all, i am an owner of 2005 city. my car brakes have been squeaking now for more than a year. i was told to get my front discs changed which i did not. Now the discs have developed deep scratches and also have rusted through these circular scratches. I checked honda gujranwala and the price for a pair is 6250 (made in thailand, honda make). Labour is 750 and i think brake shoes will also be required to change (do not know the price). I have two options now:
    1. Get the discs and shoes changed entailing something like 8000 or more rupees
    2. Buy some cheaper discs and shoes as i am planning to sell my car exactly after a year
    Please advise me in adopting suitable course of action
    Get the rotors (disks) polished, they grind it the to get a smooth surface out. after that, get new brake pads. ur brakes will be fine... the polishing/facing thing will cost around 300rs for 2 front rotors and brake pads will cost from 500rs-4000rs. i would say get 500rs walay brake pads, they ll last for around 30,000kms...
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    thanks ahmadbila, i shall do as advised; hopefully the discs havent scratched too deep to make grinding possible. i shall inspect them visually in the morning and then take the car to some kharadia tomorrow. i hope no safety issues with 500 rs brake shoes?
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    @ Ahmed bhai. What is the price for a coil that is on top of a plug for City 07?

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    Quote Originally Posted by homayoon View Post
    thanks ahmadbila, i shall do as advised; hopefully the discs havent scratched too deep to make grinding possible. i shall inspect them visually in the morning and then take the car to some kharadia tomorrow. i hope no safety issues with 500 rs brake shoes?
    Unless u live in a hilly area, or drive to one regularly, there are no issues using the 500rs brake pads.i ve used them myself and they are just fine.

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    bro last time i checked, it was 4000rs per piece from Honda (OEM)
    but in market its available from 1000-1500rs per piece in very good condition. but buying them is not an easy task.gotta make sure they re not leaking spark, look for small melted spots on the coil, if u find some, dont buy it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post

    @imaan1
    bro last time i checked, it was 4000rs per piece from Honda (OEM)
    but in market its available from 1000-1500rs per piece in very good condition. but buying them is not an easy task.gotta make sure they re not leaking spark, look for small melted spots on the coil, if u find some, dont buy it!
    Thanks need 4 of them..... they were repaired before i owned the car.... Will try to find good ones from Bilal gunj

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    Default Iginition Coils

    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Thanks need 4 of them..... they were repaired before i owned the car.... Will try to find good ones from Bilal gunj
    check this for ignition coils:
    Ignition Coils for honda city 2007 in Lahore No.4791 | ZEEBUK


    @ahmad sb:
    i have two question related to ignition coils:

    1. Is the condition of ignition coils affects the fuel efficiency of car?
    2. Is bad condition coils causes misfires/backfire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    emmm... webs? i dont remember having any issues with my windscreen...
    You mean your car's wind screen has no scratches? How did you manage that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeembh View Post
    check this for ignition coils:
    Ignition Coils for honda city 2007 in Lahore No.4791 | ZEEBUK


    @ahmad sb:
    i have two question related to ignition coils:

    1. Is the condition of ignition coils affects the fuel efficiency of car?
    2. Is bad condition coils causes misfires/backfire?
    1) Yes! bad ignition coils means weak spark and that will waste some of the fuel in the cylinders
    2) Yes! a car with faulty ignition coils will misfire/backfire... sometimes, if condition is too bad, sudden blasts can be heard from the air intake every few kilometers...

    a friend had this problem in his baleno, ended up with a broken air intake box!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kn_khipk View Post
    You mean your car's wind screen has no scratches? How did you manage that?
    well, may be there are some minor scratches but i ve never ever ever noticed them driving... i mean they never disturb my vision...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Thanks need 4 of them..... they were repaired before i owned the car.... Will try to find good ones from Bilal gunj
    must be the rear 4 ones, right? which spark plugs r u using? after replacing the coils, dont use any other then stock plugs! no 4 tip, iridium or bla bla bla... they put extra strain on the ignition coils...
    n btw, what symptoms is ur car showing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    must be the rear 4 ones, right? which spark plugs r u using? after replacing the coils, dont use any other then stock plugs! no 4 tip, iridium or bla bla bla... they put extra strain on the ignition coils...
    n btw, what symptoms is ur car showing?
    Dont know I was in school. No symptoms the car is a lil short on pick rest is totally fine but Honda guys said coils are repaired.. Plugs they installed were for 419 rs each made a total of 3352..

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    Well now a days car is giving pretty solid mileage got 145 Kms didnt keep the car started with ac on when parked infront of a shop or something like that... Regularly getting 128-132 with the car kept start with ac on when parked//

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    @imaan1
    well, i would strongly advice u to get second advice! bad coils show much more symptoms then slower acceleration. the car should, atleast, give hugggeee jerks, very much noticable after a few kilometers...
    i would say take ur car to some other mechanic.
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    For pick of idsi on CNG, always check the intake filter, air leakage. I have found the gaurd air filter useful. previously i used to block intake with sock (i think the filter was 2 no). But after changing it to gaurd, no need of blockage with sock and pick improved.

    I think healthiness of coil can be checked with meter by measuring resistence. Last time when i was changing plugs, i measured the resistence of coil. All of 8 coils gave 1600-1650 ohm at two of the terminals (which make sure that one part of coil is working fine). But could not figured out how to measure at other two terminals of coil as it was not giving any continuty/resistance.

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    I hear squeaking noise when I turn steering wheel..it is usually audible in extremely low speed..and it is only audible inside the cabin..sound is like plastic rubbing together..

    car: city 2006..what could be the reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    1) Yes! bad ignition coils means weak spark and that will waste some of the fuel in the cylinders
    2) Yes! a car with faulty ignition coils will misfire/backfire... sometimes, if condition is too bad, sudden blasts can be heard from the air intake every few kilometers...

    a friend had this problem in his baleno, ended up with a broken air intake box!

    Well Replied. Thanks for help.

    I faced some problem related to backfire(sound came from silencer) when car slows down from a high speed. recently i got tuning, and came to know that one of 8 plug was not replaced by mechanic(by fault) in previous tuning. 7 plugs(NGK) were good, and 1 plug was in worst condition. the mechanic just changed only the faulty plug. now, after a long return trip of about 350+ KM, the backfire problem seems to gone.

    i guess in my situation, the problem is not because of ignition coil. but its due to the one faulty plug which was not replaced before.

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    well, i would strongly advice u to get second advice! bad coils show much more symptoms then slower acceleration. the car should, atleast, give hugggeee jerks, very much noticable after a few kilometers...
    i would say take ur car to some other mechanic.
    Honda guys said that they are repaired they are in working condition... They advised to get them changed so that they are totally in working condition... The car gives no jerks at alll

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeembh View Post
    Well Replied. Thanks for help.

    I faced some problem related to backfire(sound came from silencer) when car slows down from a high speed. recently i got tuning, and came to know that one of 8 plug was not replaced by mechanic(by fault) in previous tuning. 7 plugs(NGK) were good, and 1 plug was in worst condition. the mechanic just changed only the faulty plug. now, after a long return trip of about 350+ KM, the backfire problem seems to gone.

    i guess in my situation, the problem is not because of ignition coil. but its due to the one faulty plug which was not replaced before.

    What do you think?
    faulty plug is enough reason of backfiring! now that u ve changed it, the problem should be gone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Honda guys said that they are repaired they are in working condition... They advised to get them changed so that they are totally in working condition... The car gives no jerks at alll
    unless ur engine is working fine, u dont need new ignition coils! Period!

    but yes if u want, u can change them right now as they will certainly give up after a few thousand kilometers... may be 5000 or even 20000kms! depending on how much they ve done already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadk View Post
    I hear squeaking noise when I turn steering wheel..it is usually audible in extremely low speed..and it is only audible inside the cabin..sound is like plastic rubbing together..

    car: city 2006..what could be the reason?
    probably the sound of "cut bushes" ... there are 2 cut bushes in front suspension of 2006 city. n they arent expensive at all... u can get 2 of them for 400rs from open market.but labour would be more than that as its not a very easy job...
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