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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    can u please elaborate a little please? what exactly was wrong with the car? how was it diagnosed and where exactly was this sensor located?

    and yes i ll make a better video...
    Well first I went to Honda they checked with their laptop and OBD II sensor showed missing knock sensor. My car used to give check engine light as soon as car became hot like after 5 mins of startup on both fuels. This mechanic also used a handheld OBD II scanner and same error code was there. The knock sensor is outside of lower engine block and is opposite to radiator slightly on left side. It is attached with a big nut bigger than size of a tire nut and is of plastic and is of small size and wire than plugs to it and the wire than connects to ecu. In my case it was broken in small pieces so as soon as he fixed it the light went away now it does not show

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    Quote Originally Posted by kn_khipk View Post
    yes, pl elaborate on the check engine light...why was it an issue in the 1st place? I have an issue with the check engine light too. The one in my car lights up on CNG when I run her in gear without pressing on the accelerator pedal. this normally happens when the revs are down to 1500 rpms.

    Also my car gives me about 105 kms to a tankful of CNG (9 kg tank but CNG usually fills up to 7-8 kgs). Reviewing previous posts that seems low...
    I have elaborated about check engine light on previous post. After reading your post I think of possible causes. There is no issue with your car but CNG settings get it adjusted because when your car is gear and no accelerator is pressed your car might be emitting too much unburnt gases which can force catalytic converter to send message to ecu that the car is not performing well that is why check engine light glows. On petrol it does not happen because after all the car was meant to be used on petrol so honda people have taken car of these things MAF and TPS constantly adjust timing and air flow so no check engine light. I hope you understood. About mileage is that with AC or Without. If its with AC than its normal Karachi is a crowded city so you cant get good mileage. My idsi manages 95kms in 8kg fill with AC in conjustion of lahore but on motorway and Gt road and superhighway it gives me 170-180 with AC with full load at rpm around 3500 so you can calculate the difference yourself. If its without AC than you need to worry because if you turn on the AC idsi manages 10-15% more mileage. I used to get 100km with AC now I am getting 110-115 without AC same route same filling station same time and on long with same load same speed its managing 200-210 so do check the issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    that bro is a bit mistaken or was probably was thugged by a mechanic... there is a small electrical wire grip above the air cleaner housing in idsi. whenever it gets a little loose, the yellow check light comes on. just open the bonnet, push the grip inside a bit, i.e fixing it and the light will go off...

    my mechanic told me that he has been fixing honda cars since 1995 and there has never been a car that needed a change of sensor unless there was some serious issue due to water etc.
    bro I can be mistaken and the mechanic can also be thug but can 2 OBD II scanners from 2 different places both be wrong it was indeed a problem of knock sensor because now car works like charm on petrol its pick is more than gas previously it used to be worse than gas. And grip can not be issue because I have a keera to every now and then check whether all plugs and wires and grips are tight or not so it can not be and was not loose

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, start ur car and let it idle for a few min. then with ur windows open, just depress the clutch pedal.

    u will notice the car's engine change sound. release the pedal and the kir kir sound will come back. again depress the clutch and the sound will go away. this kir kir sound is not the genuine engine sound... probably a timing chain sound when it gets its position changed due to pressing and releasing the clutch.
    I think sound is from gear box becuse when your engine is running all cog wheels in your gear box are moving but as soon as you press the clutch most of them stop movement so that you can change gears easily. What was the last time you changed gear oil change it and see also pressing clutch does not change timing belts position hope this resolves the issue

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    its behind dipstick in the red circle i will try to take closeups of the sensor

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Im assuming everything with ur cars' suspension is fine.

    It can be the wheel balancing of ur car... and this is the most likely thing. vibration is another thing and steering towards right is another. If its steering, the allignment is out, if its vibrating, the balancing of rims is not right. get both of these done and if the car still turns towards right, swap the front two tires with each other. right on left n left on right.... n yes, if ur tires are worn out, they might have been slightly deshaped... its normal for old tires... that can also cause issues...
    I think 75-80% of my problem can be resolved by an expert allignment man but the million dollar question is that where to find that allignment man who knows what he is doing.
    @all members please help me in finding a good alignment shop in lahore

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    Since past few days I have been noticing that whenever I switch on the head lights or indicator there is goon sound that comes for a millisecond when the light is turned on and then the goon sound disappears its hardly audible you can only listen if you are concentrating hard on the sound. To me this sound is of alternator that takes load everytime the light is switched on and it was always there and that I have come to know of it only recently. Is this normal or there is some problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    I think 75-80% of my problem can be resolved by an expert allignment man but the million dollar question is that where to find that allignment man who knows what he is doing.
    @all members please help me in finding a good alignment shop in lahore
    just go to a honda dealership. ask them to allign ur wheels and balance them. they'll charge u round abt 700-800 Rs. they do it as no one does...
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Since past few days I have been noticing that whenever I switch on the head lights or indicator there is goon sound that comes for a millisecond when the light is turned on and then the goon sound disappears its hardly audible you can only listen if you are concentrating hard on the sound. To me this sound is of alternator that takes load everytime the light is switched on and it was always there and that I have come to know of it only recently. Is this normal or there is some problem
    no idea bro... never heard it from my city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    bro I can be mistaken and the mechanic can also be thug but can 2 OBD II scanners from 2 different places both be wrong it was indeed a problem of knock sensor because now car works like charm on petrol its pick is more than gas previously it used to be worse than gas. And grip can not be issue because I have a keera to every now and then check whether all plugs and wires and grips are tight or not so it can not be and was not loose
    may be i was mistaken... don't know why ur sensor messed up at such low mileage... i mean, compared to my city and ahmad bhai's.
    my city runs just like a dream..

    however, i have to get somethings done like valve clearance, fuel filter change etc etc...
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    So guys, on 20th, I was in lahore so went shopping for my car, montgomery road.
    The suspension needed overhaul, seat needed covers, the body needed some good quality wax... got the following stuff for my car

    1) Chimtay 3000rs these r chinese, nothing else available
    2) End tie rod and rack end set japanese 4700rs
    3) Z link (stablizer bars) 1700rs
    4) Cut bush x 2 200rs

    5) Turtle color magic wax, specific for red color 425rs (small packing)
    6) Turtle F21 dashboard stain remover 275rs
    7) F1 dashboard shiner 150rs

    8) Clutch and brake pedal rubbers 100rs each
    9) Rubbers that hold the bonnet at its place when closed x 2 50rs each

    10) Seat covers, very simple design 2000rs
    11) Carpet floor mats 750rs
    12) Few other rubber bits n pieces

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    Well, this summer, the small blueish light inside my A/c button died! Recently got the dashboard central console opened and replaced that bulb. the bulb is not blue itself, its normal yellow bulb but a blue paper lamination sort of thing is put on it to change the color. The electrician also changed or may be just cleaned the second bulb (lol, didnt notice) in the button which is behind the "A/C" this made the A/C much more visible at night and when i compared it with the other lights behind the cluster, it felt much brighter... i was short of time then, i ll get all the lights n bulbs enhanced now...

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    Started the detailing job yesterday thought couldnt complete it... just 3 doors done! here are the before and after pix...
    The fabric is still very dirty and i ll clean it once all other jobs are done... secondly, the scratches on silver panels will be gone too... gonna get them all repainted

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    Just look at that! A truck load of dirt in the A/c vent actually i once sprayed the oily dashboard shiner into the ac vents and that resulted in this.

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    I sprayed the turtle stain removed into the vents, let it sit for 5-10min and then sprayed water inside it with pressure using spray gun. did just twice, the this layer of dust went away.

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    Only this thin film of dust remains now which i ll clean using cotton buds that i got today. Didnt get time today as i was getting the suspension installed.

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    Bro very nicely done waisy F1 Turtle is fit for removing stains from door panels yar ...also show the result of turtle wax bro..masALLAH greatly done..
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    and one more thing are u spraying those silver panels (cup holders etc) or taking it off from console ?
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    Here are the pix of installation of the new suspension parts... took around an hour to get the main "gardari" out, in the mechanics language...
    Chimtas were a mess, rack end was dead. end tie rods were fine. right side Z link was dead but left side was fine.Still i replaced all the parts that i bought.

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    The "guardari" is taken out. The place from where the mechanic is holding the whole thing is the EPS motor. The rod that is pointing upwards in where the steering box is attached.
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    This is the place where the CUT BUSH is installed
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    The steering assembly was taken off of the guardry and sent for machining job AKA "kharaad" nothing was to be repaired, the guys there just took out the old parts and installed new ones...


    The "chimta" joint... totally dead
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    The original CUT BUSH that came with the car.It was badly deshaped and rubber was hardened
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    The guardry being cleaned
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    The rack end and ball joints fitted to assembly...
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    The little guy also decided to stop working for the greater good of the engine... got replaced last year. gave up after 55000kms... replaced yesterday. cost just 190rs its the belt bearing. used to give sounds in cold starting only.

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    Fitting the guardry back in

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    Didnt take any pix after this... suspension is Mashallah perfect now... No sounds at all... may be i ll change the front shocks too and that will be an extra topping!

    The mechanic charged me 6000rs for all of that... he says the "kharad" guys charged 2500rs but i dont believe him. he regularly rips people off BUT his quality of work is awesome... thats why people still go back to him no matter how much he charges...
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