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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    @shazi
    yes bro im sure... fron 2 only! rear ones would be much cheaper i guess..
    bhai, can u give me a little idea how much would a total suspension overhaul cost?? cz i too wanna change my city's suspension..

    and pl also tell me what things would i need to change the most after 198k kms...?
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    bro, already checked out.... I feel too much obliged... a bundle of thanks to you sir...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bhai, can u give me a little idea how much would a total suspension overhaul cost?? cz i too wanna change my city's suspension..

    and pl also tell me what things would i need to change the most after 198k kms...?
    i changed almost everything except shocks. parts costed 9500rs and labour 6000rs. though labour is too much , can be as low as 4000rs too! and i didnt changed anything on my car unless:-
    1) It gave up, like suspension, bearings etc
    2) It expired (maintainence period matured) , like transmission oil etc

    didnt change anything JUST because the mileage touched 200,000kms etc etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, already checked out.... I feel too much obliged... a bundle of thanks to you sir...
    You're welcomed Thanks a lot...
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    Yesterday went for alignment and wheel balancing, and man the car was heavily misaligned and all wheels were out of balance. Went to jahangir autos and they charged 500rs for wheel balancing(including weights) and 200rs for alignment. Everything was done on computerized equipment and the results were great. As soon as I took the car out of workshop its steering did not vibrate and also the rite felt more smooth on bumps( felling the suspensions response has improved). Before my car used to slide towards left plus wheels bubbling 110+. Today I went till 145km/hr and no sliding towards left, no bubbling what so ever. But there is one problem the steering wheel that they had opened for adjustment is again misaligned so have to go back to them but thats not a problem

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    Had a good detailing session on my car polished and waxed it , will be posting some redness to the thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Allaaa Ahmad Zabardast , even with multi coat , the result is allllaaa

    JAZAKALLAHA for brilliant DIY

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    Hello - I have city vario 2006 (petrol) - I have couple of issues and would like your comments on the same.

    I changed front shocks bush and since then car is bubbling a bit mostly at the time of take off. I did the wheel alignment and balancing but no change. I visited a mechanic (not expert) and he diagnosed axel issue. Seems logical because the guy who changed the bush (again not expert) mentioned same thing. At the same time there is kind of a noise on bumpy roads from the same area and my steering also show some kind of play in it and a minor sound when i rotate it a little when parked.

    Is this a serious issue?
    Any one know a good mechanic in RWP/ISB who can fix this?

    Thanks in Advance

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    @imaan1
    im not getting enough time to get the corner of front bumper painted getting desperate to use the color magic on my car...and yes waiting for ur pix
    @accord
    Thankyou soo much Amir bhai Im glad you liked it... thanks for ur prayers
    @asif
    well, the problem with suspension is that u can never properly diagnose it unless u take it off of ur car... only after all the parts have been removed u can tell whats wrong and whats not!
    So, you ll have to take it to an EXPERT mechanic and tell him to check the car properly... may be the sound on steering is just the Cut bush , worth 200rs only or may be something wrong with the assembly... so, u better get it checked...
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    Honda City Model, Specification, Exterior & Interior Appearance - YouTube


    you guys must have seen this video. any DIY ideas u got after watching the video???
    'RESPECT',DIY projects: 1) 'CRUISEMATEC' 1st PKDM 8th Gen Civic with OEM Honda CRUISE CONTROL 2)Steering Audio Controls 3)AUX for OEM 8th Gen 6 CD CHANGER 4)Leather RED H logo!

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    ATTENTION: 5th Gen (2009-2012) City Owners!!

    look at the following link carefully and see the tacho Diagnostics!! GUESS what!! Your CITYs are CRUISE CONTROL compatible!!! if anyone can lend me a workshop manual n tell me the wiring pinout of the tacho n that of the ECU i think i can DIY CRuise Control in the City aswel!!!! Shop manual???? can anyone go to Honda n take a pic of the wiring pinouts of the tacho,ECU and that of the Fuse box???we might have a MEGA DIY project in the making!! it would be one the 1st OEM Honda city 5th Gen Cruise Control DIYs!!
    the following video is due to the nice courtesy of @ RollOnBigMama!! Great going Dude

    Honda City 2011 Instrument Cluster Check - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by zunny View Post
    ATTENTION: 5th Gen (2009-2012) City Owners!!

    look at the following link carefully and see the tacho Diagnostics!! GUESS what!! Your CITYs are CRUISE CONTROL compatible!!! if anyone can lend me a workshop manual n tell me the wiring pinout of the tacho n that of the ECU i think i can DIY CRuise Control in the City aswel!!!! Shop manual???? can anyone go to Honda n take a pic of the wiring pinouts of the tacho,ECU and that of the Fuse box???we might have a MEGA DIY project in the making!! it would be one the 1st OEM Honda city 5th Gen Cruise Control DIYs!!
    the following video is due to the nice courtesy of @ RollOnBigMama!! Great going Dude

    Honda City 2011 Instrument Cluster Check - YouTube
    WoW....that is awesome! sadly i cant help with any of that but i wud love to see cruise control on a new city! btw, the CC light is showing up in that video, doesnt that means its already in working order? and one more, may be silly, question does cruise control works with auto only or it can be put into manual transmission too?
    btw, im not a technical sort of guy at all but isnt it really easy to find the pinouts of ECU and fuse box? as both of them are easily accessible...

    and oh, thanks @ rollaonbigmama , loved the video... i ve doing this trick on civics for a long time but never knew it works on new city too!!!
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    btw, i think i also see an "immobilizer key" light in the tacho... God knows what else these god damn honda atlas guys strip off before giving us these naked cars for the price of fully loaded ones :/
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    sir i have heard that zic motor oil dnt knw the no of it have limit of 40k to 50k, should we use it in our city because we can get rid of changing it every 3000 km (havoline) habit as u mentioned above change of oil at 3000 km max..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAAYA767 View Post
    @ahmabilla
    sir i have heard that zic motor oil dnt knw the no of it have limit of 40k to 50k, should we use it in our city because we can get rid of changing it every 3000 km (havoline) habit as u mentioned above change of oil at 3000 km max..
    40-50k kms? :O i ve never heard of such an oil and i would never like to! i know there are synthetic oils that last 10k kms easily but never heard of 40k kms... anyways, im not really good at oils but i wont recommend such oils... the rule of thumb when it comes to oil change is, using the cheapest oil for shortest time is better then using expensive oil for much longer time... 3000-4000kms is enough for good quality non synthetic oils... the cheaper, simpler ones should be changed even earlier at around 2500kms... our environment , the dust, the intense heat etc doesnt makes it easy for us to chose synthetic oils over non- synthetic ones... so i wud recommend against them. use any good oil, zic, havoline etc and change at 3-4k kms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    40-50k kms? :O i ve never heard of such an oil and i would never like to! i know there are synthetic oils that last 10k kms easily but never heard of 40k kms... anyways, im not really good at oils but i wont recommend such oils... the rule of thumb when it comes to oil change is, using the cheapest oil for shortest time is better then using expensive oil for much longer time... 3000-4000kms is enough for good quality non synthetic oils... the cheaper, simpler ones should be changed even earlier at around 2500kms... our environment , the dust, the intense heat etc doesnt makes it easy for us to chose synthetic oils over non- synthetic ones... so i wud recommend against them. use any good oil, zic, havoline etc and change at 3-4k kms...
    ahan thx for ur quick reply
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    Hello Ahmadbila, I have noticed some problem with my brakes and i feel that if i Push hard even on speeds like 30-40, the car slips miserably and I feel some vibration also. Due to this behaviour i have been reluactant to take her on long drives as you never know when you need to push hard on highway speeds. now , here comes your expertise . what possibly could be the problem? if i need to change brake pads etc. should i go to honda delears or a normal mechanic would do. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajjadmemon82 View Post
    Hello Ahmadbila, I have noticed some problem with my brakes and i feel that if i Push hard even on speeds like 30-40, the car slips miserably and I feel some vibration also. Due to this behaviour i have been reluactant to take her on long drives as you never know when you need to push hard on highway speeds. now , here comes your expertise . what possibly could be the problem? if i need to change brake pads etc. should i go to honda delears or a normal mechanic would do. Thank you.
    The first thing that comes to my mind is the surface of the brake rotors! sometimes, the brake rotors get badly scratched or someone puts water on them when they are too hot so they change their shape a little bit and this gives vibration to the steering wheel... while this is the most probable cause, out of balance wheels can also cause the same.u might just have to get ur rims balanced but that wont eliminate the "slip" thing... first, let me know whats the tire size? if its anything below 185 then its not enough for the car and the tires do not have enough tread to grip on the road...

    but it can be something wrong with the suspension too, due to which the tires might not be properly sitting on the road.

    To start, i'd say get ur rims balanced (if there is vibration in steering wheel without braking at high speeds) if the problem stays, get the brake rotors off and get them faced/polished by some "kharaadiya" it will cost around 300rs for 2 rotors plus 200rs for labour, taking off and fitting the rotors... by now, much of the problem should be gone.. if it stays, get ur suspension checked.

    As for brake pads, its ur choice, a good road side mechanic can fit pads as good as Honda guys would...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    The first thing that comes to my mind is the surface of the brake rotors! sometimes, the brake rotors get badly scratched or someone puts water on them when they are too hot so they change their shape a little bit and this gives vibration to the steering wheel... while this is the most probable cause, out of balance wheels can also cause the same.u might just have to get ur rims balanced but that wont eliminate the "slip" thing... first, let me know whats the tire size? if its anything below 185 then its not enough for the car and the tires do not have enough tread to grip on the road...

    but it can be something wrong with the suspension too, due to which the tires might not be properly sitting on the road.

    To start, i'd say get ur rims balanced (if there is vibration in steering wheel without braking at high speeds) if the problem stays, get the brake rotors off and get them faced/polished by some "kharaadiya" it will cost around 300rs for 2 rotors plus 200rs for labour, taking off and fitting the rotors... by now, much of the problem should be gone.. if it stays, get ur suspension checked.

    As for brake pads, its ur choice, a good road side mechanic can fit pads as good as Honda guys would...
    Thanks for the insight. the tyre size that she has is 185 and they are dunlop lemans, something that i am not happy with ):. I plan to change tyres soon. regarding Rims balancing, I wonder if rims balance should still be the reason when this brake vibration is noticeable when hard brakes are applied on slow speeds like 30-40. so now my todos are : rims balance, if situation does not improve then rotor polish and then i will see if that need pads also. I will post the update here. Thanks again for expert input.
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