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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Best would be to get hold of the JDM City's steering and whatever mechanism it is using for the connections; either a clock reel or metal strip. If you have the required parts, getting it fixed in Pakistan wont be an issue.

    Some good amount of research is required just to get enough information about the parts involved. Zunny bhai has brought us the technology, we only need parts.

    I suggest someone with the new city to get the steering removed and take some pictures of the mechanism it is using for contact. From there, we can search for alternates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    emmm... i think idsi and new city ivtec are equally good at fuel consumption...

    thanks brother for the reply
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    Alaaa @Sonu Allaaa I saw the videos at your signature, sure I will get a ride when I'll wist Isloo.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonumalik View Post
    now i am planning to have a drag race with new city i have heard alot that it is very fast so lets see and will post video.

    Good Luck Mate & yes you heard rite about new city its really fast , a good gear shifter behind the wheel will give a run of life to Steermatic , but I am very + & my money is on your Blackyyy
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    sure and thanks @accord7362 and i am sure it will be a tough race and will try not to let your money down Ahhh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Well even I, out of sheer excitement, called Honda Atlas engineer to confirm about the cable reel (clockspring). And to my expected disappiontment, he said NO.

    His reason was, we only install a cable reel to one's carrying SRS. And since its PKDM, so the answer narrows down to VTI oriel. About the part that can it be installed, he said its an off-spec query and i am afraid no one here (among the engineers and technicians) would be able to answer that. So i think its all on the one who takes the first leap.

    On another note, I have an uncomfortable yet practical solution in mind. Why not install 3 switches on dash (empty slots to right) and route the wires. It can be "one Latch switch, one 3 point momentary switch and one single point momentary switch in conjunction with 2 diodes"

    OR it can be "one latched and two momentary switches" In this case CANCEL would be implemented by pressing accel and decel simultaneously (as indicated by operation of cancel in above circuit diagram"

    One would need to find aftermarket switches for the purpose. But like i said, every thing would not be on driver finger tips.
    bro, no use calling those dealershits and engineers and wasting ur precious time. they won't help u in any way.

    zunny bhai has already tried them. they say, agar mumkin hota to atlas walay cruise lazmi detay. reborn me cruise nhn lag sakta...
    and today we have more than 5 civics successfully cruised.

    bro ur point, of seperate buttons,

    1- they would look like a mess in the interior.
    2- we won't be getting the elegant facelifted interior look without those steering controls.
    3-driver for every time, will have to look aside for pressing a specific button like "res" or "cancel".
    4-u know, if those aftermarket buttons mess up, God nows at what speeds the car is gonna be. LOL...
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    @sonumalik
    ohhh i seeee... so you ve got some pretty hightech stuff installed in ur city! its a sleeper man! a beast in disguise ... love every bit of it! Keep it up!
    can u please post some pix of this induction kit and pivot thing? i m now clear about what they are for but never seen them before!

    @rustam and @ rollaonbigmama
    why cant the clockspring be installed in the new city steering wheel? as far as i know, new civic and new city both have the same steering wheel, dont they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, no use calling those dealershits and engineers and wasting ur precious time. they won't help u in any way.

    zunny bhai has already tried them. they say, agar mumkin hota to atlas walay cruise lazmi detay. reborn me cruise nhn lag sakta...
    and today we have more than 5 civics successfully cruised.

    bro ur point, of seperate buttons,

    1- they would look like a mess in the interior.
    2- we won't be getting the elegant facelifted interior look without those steering controls.
    3-driver for every time, will have to look aside for pressing a specific button like "res" or "cancel".
    4-u know, if those aftermarket buttons mess up, God nows at what speeds the car is gonna be. LOL...
    true! i dont know why stealershits even have engineers at their premises. mostly, they barely know 2-3% more about the cars compared to the normal mechanics.
    i mean, why wud they say "civic cannot be fitted with CC" when they KNOW that same cars abroad have CC and much more fitted to them... any reasonably sensible person can analyze the facts about local and JDM/UKDM civic and can come to the conclusion that its possible! Hats off to people like @zunny and others who were among the first ones to do the CC DIY on their civic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, no use calling those dealershits and engineers and wasting ur precious time. they won't help u in any way.

    zunny bhai has already tried them. they say, agar mumkin hota to atlas walay cruise lazmi detay. reborn me cruise nhn lag sakta...
    and today we have more than 5 civics successfully cruised.

    bro ur point, of seperate buttons,

    1- they would look like a mess in the interior.
    2- we won't be getting the elegant facelifted interior look without those steering controls.
    3-driver for every time, will have to look aside for pressing a specific button like "res" or "cancel".
    4-u know, if those aftermarket buttons mess up, God nows at what speeds the car is gonna be. LOL...
    Sir your point is valid. But a combination of fog light like-switches would not look that bad. Plus a switch combo from kabli market if fitted perfectly in the slots would blend in. But yes, it would be a real pain for a driver frequently travelling on the motorway.

    And about the dealerships services, If i am too convinced myself to pursue the idea (like zunny bhai was once- and Allah bless him for enlightening us all), I am gonna have to take it to a 3S, and ask them to open up the dash safely for once. Then i'll drive back home and take on the task from there.

    I have a starter plan to check the functionality without messing in too deep. I am gonna ground the "CRUISE MAIN" input on the cluster and check if it lights on. The repair manual says, the cluster panel lights are only available in cruise models. And since they are already glowing, its all a matter of testing whether the 3 inputs from cruise buttons on the cluster are functional or not.

    If that goes out well, then the question remains about adding the civic steering with an oriel clockspring or not. But even after that, you dont whether the wire harness on the downside of cable reel supports extra connections or not. Uptil now, only one wire is coming to the steering and that is horn relays negative end, to be shorted with column for horn operation. So its all a mystery before anyone opens up the dash.

    EDIT: And about your concern if the wires mess up, dont worry, its a fail safe system. If the wires for Accel, Decel/Cancel short out, the only bad thing you are going to hear is your horn. As per circuit, you have drive these buttons from the the horn relay negative. As long as horn is not pressed, the downside of relay coil stays at 12V (Basic Electronics rule- trust me).

    And if the CRUISE MAIN shorts out, well its already grounded to enable cruise function :-)

    Finally the live wire in all this scenario is the wire going into the ECU from brake switch. Its a normally closed contact. Means, if the wire breaks, shorts or switch contact has carbon, its disengaging the CC till correction. (A perfect example of a FAIL SAFE LOGIC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    @sonumalik
    ohhh i seeee... so you ve got some pretty hightech stuff installed in ur city! its a sleeper man! a beast in disguise ... love every bit of it! Keep it up!
    can u please post some pix of this induction kit and pivot thing? i m now clear about what they are for but never seen them before!

    @rustam and @ rollaonbigmama
    why cant the clockspring be installed in the new city steering wheel? as far as i know, new civic and new city both have the same steering wheel, dont they?
    Sir it could be installed, but like i said in my earlier post, you are unsure whether the harness has the same pinout as the clockspring. Its only carrying 1 cable till now. In iVtec, you still had 2 wire carrying clock spring, this the connector on harness was same (though missing some useful wires) But as they say, city has a contact ring in place, so uncertainty leads the way for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir it could be installed, but like i said in my earlier post, you are unsure whether the harness has the same pinout as the clockspring. Its only carrying 1 cable till now. In iVtec, you still had 2 wire carrying clock spring, this the connector on harness was same (though missing some useful wires) But as they say, city has a contact ring in place, so uncertainty leads the way for now.
    oh! i see... now i know what ur concerns actually are... sorry im not a tech guy so missed it earlier best of luck to you and others for the project...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, i found out the fact by opening the city's steering. there is no such thing as a clockspring behind it. I asked an electrician whether an oriel clockspring could be fitted in it, he said no...

    don't know if he had some experience in the point or he just rammed up the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Well even I, out of sheer excitement, called Honda Atlas engineer to confirm about the cable reel (clockspring). And to my expected disappiontment, he said NO.

    His reason was, we only install a cable reel to one's carrying SRS. And since its PKDM, so the answer narrows down to VTI oriel. About the part that can it be installed, he said its an off-spec query and i am afraid no one here (among the engineers and technicians) would be able to answer that. So i think its all on the one who takes the first leap.

    On another note, I have an uncomfortable yet practical solution in mind. Why not install 3 switches on dash (empty slots to right) and route the wires. It can be "one Latch switch, one 3 point momentary switch and one single point momentary switch in conjunction with 2 diodes"

    OR it can be "one latched and two momentary switches" In this case CANCEL would be implemented by pressing accel and decel simultaneously (as indicated by operation of cancel in above circuit diagram"

    One would need to find aftermarket switches for the purpose. But like i said, every thing would not be on driver finger tips.
    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bro, no use calling those dealershits and engineers and wasting ur precious time. they won't help u in any way.

    zunny bhai has already tried them. they say, agar mumkin hota to atlas walay cruise lazmi detay. reborn me cruise nhn lag sakta...
    and today we have more than 5 civics successfully cruised.

    bro ur point, of seperate buttons,

    1- they would look like a mess in the interior.
    2- we won't be getting the elegant facelifted interior look without those steering controls.
    3-driver for every time, will have to look aside for pressing a specific button like "res" or "cancel".
    4-u know, if those aftermarket buttons mess up, God nows at what speeds the car is gonna be. LOL...
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    @sonumalik
    ohhh i seeee... so you ve got some pretty hightech stuff installed in ur city! its a sleeper man! a beast in disguise ... love every bit of it! Keep it up!
    can u please post some pix of this induction kit and pivot thing? i m now clear about what they are for but never seen them before!

    @rustam and @ rollaonbigmama
    why cant the clockspring be installed in the new city steering wheel? as far as i know, new civic and new city both have the same steering wheel, dont they?
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    true! i dont know why stealershits even have engineers at their premises. mostly, they barely know 2-3% more about the cars compared to the normal mechanics.
    i mean, why wud they say "civic cannot be fitted with CC" when they KNOW that same cars abroad have CC and much more fitted to them... any reasonably sensible person can analyze the facts about local and JDM/UKDM civic and can come to the conclusion that its possible! Hats off to people like @zunny and others who were among the first ones to do the CC DIY on their civic...
    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir your point is valid. But a combination of fog light like-switches would not look that bad. Plus a switch combo from kabli market if fitted perfectly in the slots would blend in. But yes, it would be a real pain for a driver frequently travelling on the motorway.

    And about the dealerships services, If i am too convinced myself to pursue the idea (like zunny bhai was once- and Allah bless him for enlightening us all), I am gonna have to take it to a 3S, and ask them to open up the dash safely for once. Then i'll drive back home and take on the task from there.

    I have a starter plan to check the functionality without messing in too deep. I am gonna ground the "CRUISE MAIN" input on the cluster and check if it lights on. The repair manual says, the cluster panel lights are only available in cruise models. And since they are already glowing, its all a matter of testing whether the 3 inputs from cruise buttons on the cluster are functional or not.

    If that goes out well, then the question remains about adding the civic steering with an oriel clockspring or not. But even after that, you dont whether the wire harness on the downside of cable reel supports extra connections or not. Uptil now, only one wire is coming to the steering and that is horn relays negative end, to be shorted with column for horn operation. So its all a mystery before anyone opens up the dash.

    EDIT: And about your concern if the wires mess up, dont worry, its a fail safe system. If the wires for Accel, Decel/Cancel short out, the only bad thing you are going to hear is your horn. As per circuit, you have drive these buttons from the the horn relay negative. As long as horn is not pressed, the downside of relay coil stays at 12V (Basic Electronics rule- trust me).

    And if the CRUISE MAIN shorts out, well its already grounded to enable cruise function :-)

    Finally the live wire in all this scenario is the wire going into the ECU from brake switch. Its a normally closed contact. Means, if the wire breaks, shorts or switch contact has carbon, its disengaging the CC till correction. (A perfect example of a FAIL SAFE LOGIC)
    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir it could be installed, but like i said in my earlier post, you are unsure whether the harness has the same pinout as the clockspring. Its only carrying 1 cable till now. In iVtec, you still had 2 wire carrying clock spring, this the connector on harness was same (though missing some useful wires) But as they say, city has a contact ring in place, so uncertainty leads the way for now.
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    oh! i see... now i know what ur concerns actually are... sorry im not a tech guy so missed it earlier best of luck to you and others for the project...

    i have some oriel clocksprings for sale.both city n civic steering hubs n dia are similar. if u can retrofit the clockspring in it then the job would become much easier!!! anyone willing to try it out!!???? whose gonna take the initiative like i did!!???? trust in urselves n im sure ull get it!!! n then im here for any assisstance to the best of my knowledge/experience!!!

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    hi guys
    nice forum with good discussions... i got 2006 idsi and wanna know whether it has cvt or not.. i heard that cvt comes only in auto..

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    ^^ You have heard correctly CVT is in Vario and Steermatic....
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    ok... thanks for the prompt reply... i have recently bought it... tell me wht gear oil shud i put it into...



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    ^^ You have heard correctly CVT is in Vario and Steermatic....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    ok... thanks for the prompt reply... i have recently bought it... tell me wht gear oil shud i put it into...
    if u want to save some cash, get 2ltr zic or any other good brand transmission oil. it would cost u around 1000rs. The original honda oil will cost twice that much... both are fine for manual but certainly, honda oil is better... for CVT/ auto city , only Honda oil is recommended....
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    Quote Originally Posted by zunny View Post
    i have some oriel clocksprings for sale.both city n civic steering hubs n dia are similar. if u can retrofit the clockspring in it then the job would become much easier!!! anyone willing to try it out!! whose gonna take the initiative like i did!! trust in urseles n im sure ull get it!!! n then im here for any assisstance to the besy of my knowledge!!!

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/car...ing-cable-reel
    Great! you're selling it at a very attractive price! new city owners should try it... even if they dont succeed in the CC project, they can still be at no-loss or even little bit profit making situation by selling the clocksprings... best of luck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir your point is valid. But a combination of fog light like-switches would not look that bad. Plus a switch combo from kabli market if fitted perfectly in the slots would blend in. But yes, it would be a real pain for a driver frequently travelling on the motorway.

    And about the dealerships services, If i am too convinced myself to pursue the idea (like zunny bhai was once- and Allah bless him for enlightening us all), I am gonna have to take it to a 3S, and ask them to open up the dash safely for once. Then i'll drive back home and take on the task from there.

    I have a starter plan to check the functionality without messing in too deep. I am gonna ground the "CRUISE MAIN" input on the cluster and check if it lights on. The repair manual says, the cluster panel lights are only available in cruise models. And since they are already glowing, its all a matter of testing whether the 3 inputs from cruise buttons on the cluster are functional or not.

    If that goes out well, then the question remains about adding the civic steering with an oriel clockspring or not. But even after that, you dont whether the wire harness on the downside of cable reel supports extra connections or not. Uptil now, only one wire is coming to the steering and that is horn relays negative end, to be shorted with column for horn operation. So its all a mystery before anyone opens up the dash.

    EDIT: And about your concern if the wires mess up, dont worry, its a fail safe system. If the wires for Accel, Decel/Cancel short out, the only bad thing you are going to hear is your horn. As per circuit, you have drive these buttons from the the horn relay negative. As long as horn is not pressed, the downside of relay coil stays at 12V (Basic Electronics rule- trust me).

    And if the CRUISE MAIN shorts out, well its already grounded to enable cruise function :-)

    Finally the live wire in all this scenario is the wire going into the ECU from brake switch. Its a normally closed contact. Means, if the wire breaks, shorts or switch contact has carbon, its disengaging the CC till correction. (A perfect example of a FAIL SAFE LOGIC)
    thats an awesome explanation, I must say...

    U seem to be an engineer or something that is usually concerned with these things..

    actually, Me myself am a medical-related person, so Do the math...

    But if u have plenty of time, then just squat on your haunches and do it.. u have the advantage of having an auto city and a wiring diagram related to an auto...

    Lets see our first Citymatec and then I'll be the next one for a manual, inshaLLAH..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Great! you're selling it at a very attractive price! new city owners should try it... even if they dont succeed in the CC project, they can still be at no-loss or even little bit profit making situation by selling the clocksprings... best of luck...

    Bro Honda Classic quoted me price of 10580!! checked from Bilal Gunj n firstly very hard to get by .found 1 Oriel clockspring which was obviously used n the price quoted was 8000!!! contacted my younger bro in England n he arranged one for me. so it was new and less than half of what Honda sells it for. on request of some PWer friends who wanted to install audio and cruise controls in their ivtecs i bought some back in Aug 2011 on my last trip to the UK.had to buy all of them as there were only a few left only and only then was going to get em cheap, so brought them back as they weighed nothing n thought many would be requiring them and not get ripped off the Honda dealershits!!! u wont be able to buy Brand New Oriel cheaper clockspring than the price i got em for anywhere that i can challenge!!! simple ivtec clocksprings/cablereels are available at the scrappies but that is of no use as they have only 2 pins. 1 is used for the hornn the remainderis 1 which isnt sufficient! so a good oppurtunity for the 1s who plan to get their citys cruised or with audio controls!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sir your point is valid. But a combination of fog light like-switches would not look that bad. Plus a switch combo from kabli market if fitted perfectly in the slots would blend in. But yes, it would be a real pain for a driver frequently travelling on the motorway.

    And about the dealerships services, If i am too convinced myself to pursue the idea (like zunny bhai was once- and Allah bless him for enlightening us all), I am gonna have to take it to a 3S, and ask them to open up the dash safely for once. Then i'll drive back home and take on the task from there.

    I have a starter plan to check the functionality without messing in too deep. I am gonna ground the "CRUISE MAIN" input on the cluster and check if it lights on. The repair manual says, the cluster panel lights are only available in cruise models. And since they are already glowing, its all a matter of testing whether the 3 inputs from cruise buttons on the cluster are functional or not.

    If that goes out well, then the question remains about adding the civic steering with an oriel clockspring or not. But even after that, you dont whether the wire harness on the downside of cable reel supports extra connections or not. Uptil now, only one wire is coming to the steering and that is horn relays negative end, to be shorted with column for horn operation. So its all a mystery before anyone opens up the dash.

    EDIT: And about your concern if the wires mess up, dont worry, its a fail safe system. If the wires for Accel, Decel/Cancel short out, the only bad thing you are going to hear is your horn. As per circuit, you have drive these buttons from the the horn relay negative. As long as horn is not pressed, the downside of relay coil stays at 12V (Basic Electronics rule- trust me).

    And if the CRUISE MAIN shorts out, well its already grounded to enable cruise function :-)

    Finally the live wire in all this scenario is the wire going into the ECU from brake switch. Its a normally closed contact. Means, if the wire breaks, shorts or switch contact has carbon, its disengaging the CC till correction. (A perfect example of a FAIL SAFE LOGIC)

    the 1st step i would advise you is to hook up the three wires at the rear harness of the tacho as per the diagram. when u will join these three wires together the CRUISE MAIN will light up. this will give you the idea that u r on the riht course!! this will confirm that the connections behind the tacho are in place. if they dont then that isnt the cruise wires!!s o thats a starting tip!! so when are we seeing an open dash city?????
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