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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    only 1 thing can solve ur issue... high octane fuel... get atleast 50:50 ratio of high octane and simple petrol ratio. City's compression ratio is 10.1 and thats on the higher side, thats why u need higher octane fuel for it...
    thanks for the reply ahmadbila .. actually knocking is too much for petrol octane problem. it looks like as if my car been advanced too much . as there was cng in it when i bought it with no advancer .. is it possible to advance its timming somhow manually?

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    also i have been in other idsi.. they dont have the same problem using the same petrol. and also i ve been advised STP it also didn't bring any change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiddiquiFurqan View Post
    Hi All,

    Here are some more snaps of my new Ride: As shared earlier its Honda City - MT!



    Members please suggest any upgrades I should go for ?

    My current wishlist:

    1. Alloy rims and wheels upgrade ( any suggestion please ? )
    2. Tracker & Keyless Entry ( Honda Guys say that installing tracker or remote / security system will void the warranty )
    3. Seat covers (any good outlet with some decent collection ? )
    4. H.I.D. lights ( suggestion ? )



    Drive Experience & Fuel Average

    MashaAllah the ride have got awesome driving experience and smooth acceleration , I am pretty satisfied with the purchase and Thanks God I didn't bought any Rolla , on my City I'm currently getting 12km/ltr in city (displayed on min-lcd panel), and I've heard that this average will increase after first oil change ?


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    Mashallah beautiful... new city always look good in black color...
    i'd like to suggest u the following...

    1) any nice alloys with 195 tread width tires. its recommended to stick to the stock rim size which is 15, as suspension of city is already a bit on the harder side.
    2) I always prefer insurance over tracker. the reason is, first, jammers are available easily to jam the tracker and if sumone tell u that THIS is the latest traker and no jammer can jam it, well, its only about time, hardly a few months that upgraded jammers will also surface the market. secondly, insurance also helps if (God forbid) u car is hit sumwhere, be it a minor scratch or sumthing worse.u get that covered.
    3) any good seatcovers that u like, i prefer cloth over rexene/leather because of hot weather
    4) do NOT go for HID... if u want to improve the vision, get narva bulbs or sum other good halogen bulbs, as suggested by BIG MAMA

    I hope u enjoy every mile that u drive in this car as for the mileage, yes, it will increase and will reach the optimum level when the odometer reading touches 10,000kms mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shah baba View Post
    thanks for the reply ahmadbila .. actually knocking is too much for petrol octane problem. it looks like as if my car been advanced too much . as there was cng in it when i bought it with no advancer .. is it possible to advance its timming somhow manually?
    oh! thats bad! u really need to get an advancer installed so that the timing would be back to normal when u switch ur car to petrol. i'd say get it!

    and use high octane too... once, my car used to do sooo much knocking that people in other cars nearby could hear it if i push the car hard... high octane solved the problem completely...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    ohhh... I see... All I meant was that there is always a cause behind a city requiring new suspension. yea it can't last forever and has to be changed sometimes in a car's lifetime.

    And bro, I remember that filthy road. it had been there for continuous five years. The road spoiled my dad's 2007 i-VTEC prosmatec bcz he used to go to lahore on it in those days. probably 10 or 12 times a month.

    As for my iDSI, she has been driven in Islamabad and rwp till 165k kms and now with us in mwi since 2008. It was treated like dogs by some drivers but the fact is that the dog treatment couldn't always be avoided. but still, She rocks in the little mianwali city.

    Not much people over here have a passion for honda city but ours has become an inspiration of more than 15 people (many others whom I can't remember) who sold their rollas and bought the new city just that ours had been driven like almost 200k and still beats the rolla at everything: Luxury, comfort, the feel of a well built thing ( quoting ur words ), performance, economy etc etc.

    And Thank u.. My mamoon is safe alhamdolillah and the guard was just hit by a single 12 gauge pallet in the knee. He is a good experienced shooter which Thank God saved both of their lives and the attacker got himself killed by the return fire... Anyhow, long story, this is Pakistan...

    Everyday u live safe and sound calls for nawafill to Allah Paak.

    I hope to see 1451 soon InshAllah....

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    yeah that road really spoiled a lot of cars but the good thing is that its completed now and it hardly takes 30mins to reach khushab from sargodha other then that, almost all roads in sargodha were improved 2-3 years ago so now a days there is no burden on the (newly installed) suspension of my car

    im glad you changed minds of many people about city, sargodha is also a small city and until a few years ago , people used to shy away from hondas but now its different.i ve myself advised many people around me to get citys and they are quite satisfied.one of them even sold his corolla before taking his delivery of xli back in 2007 when he had a test drive of my idsi its a perfect car, the only not-so-good thing is the engine power. which is enough for local and highway driving but not really enough for climbing hills if u have passengers and luggage. but its a great package over all...

    Its good to know that the attacker got what he deserved! these people dont even deserve to be called human beings and shud be hanged to death on roads! Hats off to the guard for the brave act...

    and yes u ll see pix of 1451 soon, i ll be getting its headlights buffed tomorrow will post detailed pix of the process...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    dammit!! :O that is sad! you car looked very nice, without dents or scratches from every angle i hope its not that much and can be hidden without repaint somehow...
    First of all thanks for the compliment . Secondly it is a very very small dent probably noticeable . Looking forward for some pics for your city

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    First of all thanks for the compliment . Secondly it is a very very small dent probably noticeable . Looking forward for some pics for your city
    Bhai g aapki city b bht sharmeeli hai..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Bhai g aapi city b bht sharmeeli hai..
    your idsi is great ! Really liked the pics you uploaded recently .

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    Aslam o elikum HoNdA city fan check my honda pics]Honda City Fan Club -359923

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    First of all thanks for the compliment . Secondly it is a very very small dent probably noticeable . Looking forward for some pics for your city
    Thank God its small!
    I gotta get brake service and head lights buffing job done on my car today... hopefully i ll get enough time :|

    and oh, i think @rollonbigmama wants to see some more pix of ur car... we all want some
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckymalik94 View Post
    Aslam o elikum HoNdA city fan check my honda pics]Honda City Fan Club - 359923

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    Mashallah nice one... needs a little bit cleaning though... and hey, where did u get those rear lights from? i ve hardly seen 2 or 3 after market lights on this shape of city...they are veryyyyyy rare...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    your idsi is great ! Really liked the pics you uploaded recently .
    thank you!!... I wanna see urs doode...
    Agar chy bu'tt' hain Jama'at ki Aasteenon main - Mujhay Hai Hukm-e-Aazaan LA ILA HA ILL ALLAH...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    oh! thats bad! u really need to get an advancer installed so that the timing would be back to normal when u switch ur car to petrol. i'd say get it!

    and use high octane too... once, my car used to do sooo much knocking that people in other cars nearby could hear it if i push the car hard... high octane solved the problem completely...
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    dear do u want me to install advancer in petrol also.. so that it also function while its in petrol? as i had advancer too stap 78 LR but knocking was there now i have disconnected CNG system completely. still there is knocking .. can it be because of electric or electronic prob? knock sensor is also working properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah baba View Post
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    dear do u want me to install advancer in petrol also.. so that it also function while its in petrol? as i had advancer too stap 78 LR but knocking was there now i have disconnected CNG system completely. still there is knocking .. can it be because of electric or electronic prob? knock sensor is also working properly
    oh, so you ve got the CNG disconnected. u dont need any advancer then. the only thing i can suggest u do is to get a tank full of high octane from a well reputed petrol pump and see if the knocking goes away slowly... im not an expert about knocking issues but as far as i know, it is caused only because the fuel in a cylinder burns before its suppose to burn, that means it burns in compression stroke even before the compression is complete and the piston hasnt reach the top dead center yet... there can only be two reasons (that i know) which can cause this.

    1) Lower octane fuel - Lower octane fuel burns at lower tempratures, thats why when the cylinder is going up and is compressing the fuel air mixture, a certain temprature is reached and the fuel ignites...

    2) The spark plug fires before its supposed to. that can be caused by advanced timing.

    Now, either or both could be wrong with ur car. the first one is almost obviously there, atleast. and i dont know if the timing can be advaced without putting an advancer in an efi car so i cant say if it can be the cause of knocking or not... higher octane fuel is the first thing u shud get for ur car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    thank you!!... I wanna see urs doode...
    That is so good of you ! I'll post them in a few hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Thank God its small!
    I gotta get brake service and head lights buffing job done on my car today... hopefully i ll get enough time :|

    and oh, i think @rollonbigmama wants to see some more pix of ur car... we all want some
    Thank you very very much for your concern , i need light buffing to and a new rear left right . I'll INSHALLAH post pics in a few hours Well everyone wants to see your red city aswell )))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Thank you very very much for your concern , i need light buffing too and a new rear left right . I'll INSHALLAH post pics in a few hours Well everyone wants to see your red city aswell )))
    i couldnt get time to get the brake service done on my car... HOWEVER... i did get the headlight buff job done and they look awesome now! also got a few other small things done... took pix all the way through the process but didnt take pix after final fitting because the car is tooooo dirty... i ll get it serviced in the morning and will post the BLING BLING lights photos then

    btw, whats wrong with ur lights? why do u wanna get em buffed? i didnt get the lights seperated (i.e the lens taken off of the crystal element) because the problem was only with the exterior or the plastic lens or cover.
    and for the rear light, i'd suggest u to get a used one, u ll get one as good as new for less then half the price of Honda guys...
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    Posted my city pics in the car care V1 thread....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    i couldnt get time to get the brake service done on my car... HOWEVER... i did get the headlight buff job done and they look awesome now! also got a few other small things done... took pix all the way through the process but didnt take pix after final fitting because the car is tooooo dirty... i ll get it serviced in the morning and will post the BLING BLING lights photos then

    btw, whats wrong with ur lights? why do u wanna get em buffed? i didnt get the lights seperated (i.e the lens taken off of the crystal element) because the problem was only with the exterior or the plastic lens or cover.
    and for the rear light, i'd suggest u to get a used one, u ll get one as good as new for less then half the price of Honda guys...
    haha.. ur city is a bit tricky... tell us we have her word that she'll show up tomorrow...!

    and make sure she looks
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    hy ahmed yar yeah pic jab li tu 3 din sy ghari chal rahi thi aur service nai hoi thi aur yeah light main ny hud design ki hian mera matlab main ny adobe photoshop main edit ki hian wesay market main merny es style main city ki light nai dekhin.

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