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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    nice diy... can u tell me how can i uninstall the stereo ...???


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    bro post some before and after pics of your cabin with changed lights rs 50 is not much

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    ahmad bhai can u tell me da color of speaker wires ...




    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    a correction here bro... there ARE wires present for rear speakers already. i got new speakers on the rear phatta for the very first time (6-8 months ago) and the guy took just 5min for wiring. i think he took the wires out from the same wiring harness that brings in power for rear headlights and licence plate lights.. its located on the upper right portion of the trunk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    nice diy... can u tell me how can i uninstall the stereo ...???
    I think ahmad can tell you better but what I remember is it can be done by pulling that plate out that has AC controls ofcourse you have to remove the knobs first. When the plate comes off there are 2 screws on either side you unscrew them and you can take out the stereo

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    @ahmad & all
    Bro i reqd advice from u , i m feeling that steering of city is a bit hard .pl tell me what is remedy for it ..is there any oil or any thing reqd for it ...
    Love Live Pakistan....

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    yup before I was using havoline now am using valvoline. Today it stayed on for almost half the time it did yesterday because today heater was turned off. Just a day before oil change and it went off in exactly the time you mentioned
    I think with heater on in morning, it will always behave the same way.
    Bcz u were actually cooling the dashboard radiator core by doing so.

    I guess When a car heats up, u can cool it by turning heater on.

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    no 1 is selling his city?
    Haters dont really hate me they hate themselves because I am a reflection of what they wish to be.I be happy in front of my haters it kills them

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    Quote Originally Posted by shazi_00 View Post
    @ahmad & all
    Bro i reqd advice from u , i m feeling that steering of city is a bit hard .pl tell me what is remedy for it ..is there any oil or any thing reqd for it ...
    City has eps so no need of oil. As for hardness when do you actually feet the hardness if in stationary the car is fine than its ok if in stationary position its getting hard than you can have diagnostic checkup done. But if you are experiencing it during driving so I tell you that its ok because city is equipped with eps that has its seperate ecu, what it does is that it senses cars speed continuously and as the vehicles speed increases it decreases the assist and on high speed there is no assist at all provided by the motor its just the speed that makes the steering. Whereas in conventional hydrolic power steering the steering pump continuously builds up the pressure and it produces virtually same assist at every speeds. Secondly it can be that your car has probably more than usual toe out in the front wheels. Its basically done to give the car stability when driving at high speeds so when you go even till 150-160 km/hr you will feel the car going dead straight. If you are feeling it a little harder while you are driving than to me citys power steering becomes hard at higher speeds to give you feeling of more control on the road. Just give a try and get your cars steering assembly i.e gadri washed from underneath and notice if you feel any difference most of the times the steering gets hard because of dust accumulation

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    I think with heater on in morning, it will always behave the same way.
    Bcz u were actually cooling the dashboard radiator core by doing so.

    I guess When a car heats up, u can cool it by turning heater on.
    Today heater was off but it stayed on for quite a long time I think the oil I am using has lesser friction thats why engine not heating much thats a good sign for summers

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    @all. This was the latest mileage achieved by me in a tank full, while there was still some gas remaing and the fill was complete i.e true 220 psi and by 220 I mean 220.Honda City Fan Club -369460

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    off those all 5 kms were done on petrol and rest all in conjusted areas i.e I travel 8 kms in 20 mins so you can imagine traffic around me. Well I can say partial of it is because of valvoline and partially because of hypermilling but this time I got around 18km/kg now lets see if it does improve or not

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    Hi Fan Club Members!!
    The Reverse light of my City has Broken. What is the real Price of DEPO or Honda Geniune Light. My Freind Told Me Its Price is Rs.4500

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    Pakistan needs MaSsive Over-HAULING!! So either stay or Just Leave it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    oh nooooooooo! never ever and I mean it never ever try to sell your city. keep it rolling for next 5,10 and even 20 years, and from the condition of your car after 220k I can safely say that its not a halki car that hear ever other man says that honda na lena halki hai. I think the maintenance schedule you are following and mashallah your cars engine is as good as new it can easily last till 500k and may be even 1000k
    Yeah thats what i plan... selling a car like mine at this time of artificial prices is not a wise thing to do, specially when the car is in top notch condition...i'd keep it for as long as possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Here you go people... I have done this to my car and u can see the whole procedure over here. Its pretty much confusing to write in here so created another thread.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    oh, u already posted a new thread
    i thought i ll do the whole thing and post a new thread anyways, im gonna put this and my console paint thread link in the main post... thanks for this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Guys I need your expert openion on the issue. there is a slight problem in transmission of my city vario. I got it checked by Honda people. they say although its not a serios problem and will no effect the performance but if I want to get it fixed, it needs to overhaul the transmission including changing of a part in it (don't remembe the exact name of part, it was some kind of wheel/disk in trnasmission) which will cost around 18000/- after which its performance will be back to guaranteed 100%. Based on your experience or observation, plz suggest is it ok to go for this overhaul or is it just vaste of many. How much is it possible to re-assemble the whole transmission 100% corretly (as being claimed by Honda people).
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    as far as i have researched about the CVT, i got to know that they are non-repairable!! once something goes wrong, the only thing u can do is to get a new one... i dont know whats wrong with ur tranny but before spending 18000rs on it, i'd say get its transmission oil changed if u havent already. get ORIGINAL HONDA oil ONLY... will cost around 2000rs... and the problem might just go away... it does, most of the times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Hi Fan Club Members!!
    The Reverse light of my City has Broken. What is the real Price of DEPO or Honda Geniune Light. My Freind Told Me Its Price is Rs.4500

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    sad to see that :| i'd say dont get a brand new light... go hunt for it in bilal ganj or sumthing similar in ur area. or just go to a few bumper repair guys, they might have on for just 20-30% price of new one. and if its not broken/dirty, its as good as new...
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    no 1 is selling his city?
    This is the worst place to look for a city being sold... we here, love it
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    City has eps so no need of oil. As for hardness when do you actually feet the hardness if in stationary the car is fine than its ok if in stationary position its getting hard than you can have diagnostic checkup done. But if you are experiencing it during driving so I tell you that its ok because city is equipped with eps that has its seperate ecu, what it does is that it senses cars speed continuously and as the vehicles speed increases it decreases the assist and on high speed there is no assist at all provided by the motor its just the speed that makes the steering. Whereas in conventional hydrolic power steering the steering pump continuously builds up the pressure and it produces virtually same assist at every speeds. Secondly it can be that your car has probably more than usual toe out in the front wheels. Its basically done to give the car stability when driving at high speeds so when you go even till 150-160 km/hr you will feel the car going dead straight. If you are feeling it a little harder while you are driving than to me citys power steering becomes hard at higher speeds to give you feeling of more control on the road. Just give a try and get your cars steering assembly i.e gadri washed from underneath and notice if you feel any difference most of the times the steering gets hard because of dust accumulation
    yaar i ve heard that speed-to-assist thing about EPS too but im not sure if thats present in all EPSs. n i really doubt that the city or any other local car has it. i tested an audi (which was installed by OPTIONAL extra called servotronic, which is the same feature that u pointed out) and i could really tell that im having variable assist from the steering. at 160km/h the steering felt soooo damn good , it was kinda solid, stable... and at slow speeds it was very light... my point is, if a car like audi a5 provides this feature as an EXTRA, do we expect to get it in our city as standard?

    i think the best way to test that wud be by lifting a city on a jack, speeding upto good speed and then try to turn it and feel the difference...
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    @all. This was the latest mileage achieved by me in a tank full, while there was still some gas remaing and the fill was complete i.e true 220 psi and by 220 I mean 220.Honda City Fan Club - 369460

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    off those all 5 kms were done on petrol and rest all in conjusted areas i.e I travel 8 kms in 20 mins so you can imagine traffic around me. Well I can say partial of it is because of valvoline and partially because of hypermilling but this time I got around 18km/kg now lets see if it does improve or not
    This is very good... i got 140kms from my cng tank today. its good, considering the fact that i havent got it serviced for the past 200,000kms
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    @KLINCH
    Sir refer to post number 16 and 41 of this thread.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1

    There is just one thing that i forgot to mention in that post... there are 2 cables attached on the back of the a/c temprature and air throw position knob, u will have to disconnect those cables too...

    and sorry i dont know the color of speaker wires :|
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    Default After all... Color magic spell casted :)

    Okay guys, i finally got time to wax my car the second time.. washed and waxed it for the second time yesterday and im loving the results... every panel shines like new... paint is sooooo slippery and smooth... i can now see shiney grains inside the paint, i must say i ve really been missing them for quite some time

    pics dont do justice at ALL... but thats what i ve got for now, right now i have a lot of guests at my place so im a bit busy... will take better pics soon after 3rd application...
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    the scratch that i got are almost gone after compound polish... the dent remains, though...

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