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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ^^ hmmmm, sounds reasonable to me too
    good...lets wait for others to comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    well, offcourse u cant compare the maintainence cost of a honda city with a mehran or cultus. but if u get a well maintained car which needs no or almost no new parts, u will be fine. just do routine maintainence and preventive maintainence and ur car will be fine. after every 20,000 kms, my city generates a bill of around 2000-3500rs but then it just shuts up for the next 20,000kms. so i think the per kilometer cost is very less. it much better then having a mehran and spending a few hundred rupees on things going wrong every once in a week. so i'd say its quite worth the price u pay for it... dont worry, go for it.. the comfort and drive pleasure would make u forget the bills u pay for it... trust me, for 520k, there is NOTHING better then this car...
    Thanks brother. your comments really pushes me now to have it. just one thing when buying any second hand car.. its remains myth before buying that which parts are okay and which are needed to be replaced. but i drives the car and its really cool, becasue i also rate this car or give priority instead of going little cars even imported like honda thats, etc or suzuki alto imported version or simple alto , mehran aur cultus version... thanks again brother... i like suggestion for kalar-kahar.. but i am not experienced one to drive there yet.... i wish i could

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    no its not normal. i dont know whats wrong with ur car but if its about transmission, and not about engine,get the transmission oil changed asap!! get Honda OEM oil ONLY... 2ltrs.
    Just 2 LTRS !!! I recently got the oil changed for my vario and Honda Classic people (here in Isb) put 3 liters oil in it...
    What could be the effect of this access oil???

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    i have an engine oil querry about manual honda city 2011...

    the oil recommended by honda is 5w30, if we use mobil1 that is 5w50, will there be any problem ? ofcourse mobil1 is better in quality than honda oil, but will the difference in oil grade cause problems???

    also which one is thinner 5w30 or 5w50 ???

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    where is the obd ii port in honda city 2011 , got the elm327 scanner , can't locate the port

    would appreciate pictures also, if possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartdevil_striker View Post
    Check this Add Guys,The Car is selling in Karachi and Pictures are of dis city!!

    Used Honda City 2008 for sale in Karachi - Ad ID: 347113 | PakWheels

    Hahaha ..... i just saw this ad that guy has used my car pics in his ad..... nice to see my car pics used , i will post some new pictures of my car in a day or two................

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    this is fahad saleem f00704993, as i have recovered my password for this old id so i will now use this id....so fahad_reloaded=f00704993

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    OMG! good catch devil. either our friend has posted some false details or the karachi ad is a possible scam.

    LOL he mentions the car to be karachi registered while the white and green plates of punjab anre clearly noticeable... ha ha ha!

    very little chance that our fellow member purchased the same car as the ad is 28 days old...

    Well.....this is fahad saleem and this city belongs to me if u clrealy see there is the entry token of wah cantt pasted on the middle of front screen..... i will post the pics of the empty pics of area where car is standing is just outside my home in wah cantt. If karachi ad is true ask him to send more pics. I just called that guy and he behaved like "ULTA CHOR KOTWAL KO DAANTE"

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    My Pleasure.. Yes the fuel filter is a Jaali/Net sort of a thing located inside the pump.... Mine wasn't replaced at the 40K check up as the Honda Guys said it was ok.. As i wrote earlier I am not sure about the exact price for this..

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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    where is the obd ii port in honda city 2011 , got the elm327 scanner , can't locate the port

    would appreciate pictures also, if possible
    Its right underneath the driver side dash. On the left towards center console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Its right underneath the driver side dash. On the left towards center console.

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    Is it City 2011 ? Some More Clearer pictures will be appreciated too , cant make out anything from here !

    More Importantly is it accessible or do I have to remove some Panels or Screws ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    hahaha... im here sir jee, was away for a cousin's wedding but now im back

    okay so, me and mehmood bhai was talking on fone the other day and mehmood bhai suggested that we shud hav a honda city owners/fan meet now... we are gonna hit 200 pages soon and this is quite a land mark i'd say. thread has been boiling with information about city, i think we shud celebrate a little bit

    the proposed plan by mehmood bhai is that somewhere around mid march, we shud meet at kallar kahar. the reason being that its around 1.5hrs away from sargodha (for me) , almost same distance from isb and lahore too... so its almost centrally located. we ll gather there, have some chit chat, check each others cars, discuss cars n have lunch in the picturesque area... what do u guys say? how does it sounds? sounds really good to me
    Ahmad great idea , indeed you are doing a great job along with others friends posting here , but I am going back on 10th, March

    Yar RL want to join you All :


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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    Is it City 2011 ? Some More Clearer pictures will be appreciated too , cant make out anything from here !

    More Importantly is it accessible or do I have to remove some Panels or Screws ????
    dude, u can see in the pic that it is accessible with out any panel removal etc... steering rod can be seen as well...

    to be precise, it is placed just near to the gear lever console.

    just stick ur head inside the dashboard from the driver's side and u'll find it easily...
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    what about this
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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    Is it City 2011 ? Some More Clearer pictures will be appreciated too , cant make out anything from here !

    More Importantly is it accessible or do I have to remove some Panels or Screws ????
    Sorry for the excessive luminance. The white bright thing in the middle of the picture is the OBD port. This is City 2009.

    As RollOnBigMama said, it can be accessed without removing any panel. But you cant do that while sitting in the car. Go under the dash while standing outside and you'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Sorry for the excessive luminance. The white bright thing in the middle of the picture is the OBD port. This is City 2009.

    As RollOnBigMama said, it can be accessed without removing any panel. But you cant do that while sitting in the car. Go under the dash while standing outside and you'll see.
    very right rustam bro... I don't have my city now otherwise would post some pics to clear umair bro's confusion...

    Just do my trick, the way i use to sneak under the dash...

    On the driver's seat, have your fet on the head rest and then look inside with ur head upwards inside the dash... U'll be seeing much much more than u actually want to...

    BTW I spotted the scanner port the minute I sat inside my car while it was still in the honda showroom..

    Umair bro, mind sharing some pics of the scanner U got??
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    what about this
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    U've gotta be kiddin' me...

    BTW, it does look to me...
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    guys as the petrol prices are going up so i rushed to the station to fill he petrol... drove 188.6kms.. will post the pictures shortly.. i assume the mileage has improved
    i changed the air filter and yes the mileage has improved...

    @ahmadbila thank you bro for the info i will get these things done too in short time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    My bad! you are right, i just my checked my owner's manual and it says 42 ltr of tank BUT, remember that fuel is also filled in the pipe that goes from the fuel cap to the fuel tank. city has fuel tank below the central console and that means its a long pipe (usually cars have fuel tanks below rear seats) and that means that a few extra liters of fuel can be carried along. which can be 3-5ltr. so i think one shud consider atleast 45 ltr as the total capacity, not 42 ltr.
    Hmmm, well, ahmad bhai, allow me.

    Sharing something one of my friends did with his steermatic. he wanted to find out how much fuel does the car exactly take in...

    well, first he drove his car untill it stalled. checked with 5 cranks, engine won't start... then he put sort of a sucking machine into the tank so that if may be there is some fuel, he'll take it out.

    then he topped up the fuel tank and it took exactly 43.75 liters of fuel. Lets suppose there was some fuel in the fuel lines/pump/filter so, we can assume it to be around 44 +/- 0.5 liters of actual capacity...

    he had to crank the engine 3 times before it started with a bit of "thurr thurr thurr"

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    im gonna get a bit off topic but i'd like to point this one here, dont be fooled by the fuel companies. u can never say that pso fuel is better then shell or total or shell is better etc etc. this hardly matters.

    A friend of mine has a fuel supplying agency, they delivers millions of liters of fuel to many fuel stations every month. there are a few oil refineries in Pakistan, 4 or 7 i guess. all the fuel that we get from the pumps is bought from them. this friend of mine buys from attock refinery and supplies petrol n diesel to all company pumps, shell, total, attock, pso etc etc.
    So what matters is NOT that which company u select but from WHICH fuel station u get it. find a well reputed/honest in dealing fuel station and u ll be fine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    yar i didnt check what compound it was that he used for buffing the lights. all i know is it was a very hard and dry bar (almost like a totally dry soap bar) which he pushed against the rotating cloth attached to a rotor. the cloth picks up material from that bar and then he put the light cover against the rotating cloth to buff it. he didnt apply the compound directly to the headlight cover.
    and yar 22k is a bit too much... i dont think i ll go for it
    and wat exactly do u mean by door seals? the rubbers around door frame? if yes, my car needs them too they are probably hardened as they give squeaking sound and they ve also shrunk from some places (they stay the same even in summer) let me know where u get em and for how much...
    Yes bro. exactly rubbers around the doors. when I sit in the car with the driver's side door closed, I can see some light entering through the seals, meaning clearly that they are leak. jab light na roak sakeen to awaaz aur hawa aise rukey gi??

    bro, these rubbers are availible at almost every car parts shop... However, I would prefer to buy them from a honda dealer in Isb or lahore...

    I am going for the foam underlay... will cost around rs. 500 or may be 700 for the whole car including trunk.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    hahaha... im here sir jee, was away for a cousin's wedding but now im back

    okay so, me and mehmood bhai was talking on fone the other day and mehmood bhai suggested that we shud hav a honda city owners/fan meet now... we are gonna hit 200 pages soon and this is quite a land mark i'd say. thread has been boiling with information about city, i think we shud celebrate a little bit

    the proposed plan by mehmood bhai is that somewhere around mid march, we shud meet at kallar kahar. the reason being that its around 1.5hrs away from sargodha (for me) , almost same distance from isb and lahore too... so its almost centrally located. we ll gather there, have some chit chat, check each others cars, discuss cars n have lunch in the picturesque area... what do u guys say? how does it sounds? sounds really good to me
    mmm hmmm... a great idea indeed.. but I am not sure if I am gonna meet u guys at the GTG..

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    Well.....this is fahad saleem and this city belongs to me if u clrealy see there is the entry token of wah cantt pasted on the middle of front screen..... i will post the pics of the empty pics of area where car is standing is just outside my home in wah cantt. If karachi ad is true ask him to send more pics. I just called that guy and he behaved like "ULTA CHOR KOTWAL KO DAANTE"
    well, bro I clearly mentioned that the car has punjab number plates while the ad poster has mentioned karachi registered...

    I have reported the ad to be fake... yu do it as well... be coool
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Just 2 LTRS !!! I recently got the oil changed for my vario and Honda Classic people (here in Isb) put 3 liters oil in it...
    What could be the effect of this access oil???
    opppss... im sorry, its 2 ltr for manual and around 3 ltr for CVT...
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