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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Hi fellas!(need experts suggestions)

    My idsi is giving round about 13km per litre.There was a throttle problem in my car,i got it resolved by cleaning throttle body,Before service it was giving me 17km per litre.Due to 2 to 3 seconds delay in acceleration i have to go for cleaning throttle body.Please guide me how shall i go back to good consumption?Also here i want to mention(The ECU was automatically RESET after cleaning throttle body).

    Transmission oil recently changed(orignal honda cvt oil)
    Engine oilZic-xq)
    Spark plugs(Denso iridium)
    (Air filter is new)

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    ahmad bhai post pics have u seen?
    n e suggestions from ur side
    im sorry , which post are u refering to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    Hi fellas!(need experts suggestions)

    My idsi is giving round about 13km per litre.There was a throttle problem in my car,i got it resolved by cleaning throttle body,Before service it was giving me 17km per litre.Due to 2 to 3 seconds delay in acceleration i have to go for cleaning throttle body.Please guide me how shall i go back to good consumption?Also here i want to mention(The ECU was automatically RESET after cleaning throttle body).

    Transmission oil recently changed(orignal honda cvt oil)
    Engine oilZic-xq)
    Spark plugs(Denso iridium)
    (Air filter is new)

    Regards.
    hmmm... not sure whats wrong here... did u get tappets adjusted too? cleaning throttle body cannot possible cause the car to consume more fuel. new filter is good. r u sure u drove ur car the same way as u normally did before this service?
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    Yah i drove even more politely for more good consumption.But it gave me opposite to my expectations.No the mechanic said,no need to go for tappets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaudhary9 View Post
    thanks

    whats the difference between the types IDSI and VARIO?
    copied from main post:-

    "I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below. "


    as for vario, it just refers to variable transmission type. basically there are infinite number of gears in vario ( CVT = contineously variable transmission"
    instead of fixed gears of fixed sizes, the CVT (vario is the version of city idsi which uses CVT tranny) has a cone sort of thing inside it which changes its path contineously. this way, one NEVER feels any gears shifts and if u floor the car hard, the RPM would simply stick to the max range and the car will accelerate to its top speed without any shits... here are a few videos to explain...

    see how the RPM does not falls at any point, i.e. no gear shifts
    2009 Maxima 0-130mph - CVT - intake, grounding kit only - YouTube
    different designs of CVT
    Dodge CVT Animation - YouTube
    Belt CVT animation - YouTube
    CVT explained - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    Yah i drove even more politely for more good consumption.But it gave me opposite to my expectations.No the mechanic said,no need to go for tappets.
    whats the mileage of ur car? are u having knocking issues? there has to be something that ur mechanic did not do correctly, obviously, nothing shud go wrong just due to cleaning the throttle body... thats done to increase the performance/mileage of a car, not reduce it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    Hi fellas!(need experts suggestions)

    My idsi is giving round about 13km per litre.There was a throttle problem in my car,i got it resolved by cleaning throttle body,Before service it was giving me 17km per litre.Due to 2 to 3 seconds delay in acceleration i have to go for cleaning throttle body.Please guide me how shall i go back to good consumption?Also here i want to mention(The ECU was automatically RESET after cleaning throttle body).

    Transmission oil recently changed(orignal honda cvt oil)
    Engine oilZic-xq)
    Spark plugs(Denso iridium)
    (Air filter is new)

    Regards.
    how did ur mechanic cleaned throttle body.
    Method 1

    Some ppl prefer to spray the carborator spray into it while pressing the accelerator but it is not effective method.

    Method 2
    The right way is to open the throttle body and take it out of the car and then wash using petrol and let it dry by itself.

    Second method is the right way to go about servicing the throttle body, secondly what is the mileage of your car, i mean if ur throttle body needs service, it is very surprising that ur tappets are in good condition.
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    just filled the tank... :s i thot the mileage will increase after changing the filter but its a different story.. now i am confused, worried and what not.. because before it was giving me better mileage but now
    help me guys help me i need to increase the mileage
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    here are the tips

    As per your suggested method of driving, you should get 15kmpl+ but if u r not getting it, there is some thing wrong. Here is the checklist for you

    1. Check the air pressure in all tyres before you start to drive the car(if u r experience driver then even a glance can tell is ok or not)
    2. Keep using the genuine air filer (Thailand), i replace with every oil change
    3. Never drive the car when engine is too cold, wait for 1 minute atleast
    4. Dont use too much heavy alloys
    5. Check ur suspension, if suspension is weak engine will consume extra fuel to pull it
    6. If there are more than 1 person in the car including driver, always keep the car balanced, e.g. if person is sitting on rear seat, keep them in diagonal
    7. If u have to stay more than 20 sec, turn off the engine
    8. Avoid full throttle suddenly and avoid hard braking this is very important
    9. Try to keep the RPM between 2000 and 2900 for eco driving
    10. Keep ur spark plugs clean (otherwise it will consume extra fuel)


    please share your car's mileage and engine oil u r using ? these two factors may unleash some hidden truth

    dont get confused, use TOTAL petrol for one full tank and u will see the difference, also get the FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER from LIQUI MOLY and get it filled in the tank, as now i can see the difference in my car after using that ....
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    just filled the tank... :s i thot the mileage will increase after changing the filter but its a different story.. now i am confused, worried and what not.. because before it was giving me better mileage but now
    help me guys help me i need to increase the mileage
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    another interesting fact is that u have refilled 46 litres, it means that u r almost empty with fuel. I get max fuel is 39 to 40 litres and still i drive nearly 700km, so that means that in full tank of 45 litres mileage should cross 800 km
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    how did ur mechanic cleaned throttle body.
    Method 1

    Some ppl prefer to spray the carborator spray into it while pressing the accelerator but it is not effective method.

    Method 2
    The right way is to open the throttle body and take it out of the car and then wash using petrol and let it dry by itself.

    Second method is the right way to go about servicing the throttle body, secondly what is the mileage of your car, i mean if ur throttle body needs service, it is very surprising that ur tappets are in good condition.
    yup... 1st method is not right at all. infact it pushes all the dirt into the engine and is harmful.

    second one is fine but u missed sumthing, there is this idle control valve located directly beneath the throttle body, u gotta take that off of the throttle housing and clean it properly from inside... only then can u say that throttle is 100% clean...
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    @ Ahmad and Fahad bro

    The exact mileage of my car is genuinely 54780.Yes Ahmad bro the mechanic checked my car in detail.He had got the some car checking machine which shows the problem in the car.He opned the throttle body properly and cleaned it.He said the tappets are good.I took my car first time to him as my dad check his car regularly from him,and i am strongly against honda pit shops for such minor issues.The pick,sound everything is very smooth MASHALLAH.All i have noticed the mileage is badly effected.Even i took my car back to him and he said (Sahab wehem na kerain achi khasi gari hai kharab kerwaingy jub koi masla he nahi hai :s..Gari ko 100 se neechay rakho toh mileage achi day gi aur auto gari manual se toh ziada he fuel consume kerti hai na).That's what i knw but when i say my car was giving 17km then he said mein maan he nahi sakta

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    yup... 1st method is not right at all. infact it pushes all the dirt into the engine and is harmful.

    second one is fine but u missed sumthing, there is this idle control valve located directly beneath the throttle body, u gotta take that off of the throttle housing and clean it properly from inside... only then can u say that throttle is 100% clean...
    Yup that was 100% reply from ahmed....actually in my case i chose the method 2 and cleaned throttle body and tappets at same time, as u know in i-DSI model to get tappet adjusted u have to open air filter box and throttle body etc, so why not get it serviced when u r going for tappets.......... btw i went on M1 today for app 250 km and my i can see major difference in car pick specially on hilly areas since near Burhan there is lot of hilly areas on M1, so car was very light even with 4 passenger and trunk was full even on the slopes where diesel car are struggling to climb....... i think fuel injector cleaner is working good
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    so what do u suggest? I should go for tappet adjustment?roughly what is the cost of it?

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    @ahmad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    @ Ahmad and Fahad bro

    The exact mileage of my car is genuinely 54780.Yes Ahmad bro the mechanic checked my car in detail.He had got the some car checking machine which shows the problem in the car.He opned the throttle body properly and cleaned it.He said the tappets are good.I took my car first time to him as my dad check his car regularly from him,and i am strongly against honda pit shops for such minor issues.The pick,sound everything is very smooth MASHALLAH.All i have noticed the mileage is badly effected.Even i took my car back to him and he said (Sahab wehem na kerain achi khasi gari hai kharab kerwaingy jub koi masla he nahi hai :s..Gari ko 100 se neechay rakho toh mileage achi day gi aur auto gari manual se toh ziada he fuel consume kerti hai na).That's what i knw but when i say my car was giving 17km then he said mein maan he nahi sakta
    i-DSI is one of the most fuel efficient cars ever made. But, for vario 17kmpl is i guess too much, i m having no doubts on the fact that u may b getting this mileage but i never saw any auto car (1300cc having trunk) giving so much average.So, if u r getting 17kmpl it is simply awesome, but now as the car has done 57k, also check for the mechanical work like clutch discs etc. they can have big effect on mileage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    so what do u suggest? I should go for tappet adjustment?roughly what is the cost of it?
    well first thing is that never listen to any mechanic (or any other person even its me )if u r unsure of their opinion. Tappet adjustment is only needed once u can feel the symptoms which are as under:

    1. Delayed starting
    2. Knocking and RPM destabilization
    3. U can press the accelerator all the way down but it feels that car is not translating this into momentum
    4. when u move the steering wheel it sounds too heavy
    5. In short ur car performance is not as compared to the acceleration given by u
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Huzaifaa is the witness of my car's mileage ..Fahad bro thanks a ton for your nice suggestions.I will visit the mechanic tomorrow again

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    well first thing is that never listen to any mechanic (or any other person even its me )if u r unsure of their opinion. Tappet adjustment is only needed once u can feel the symptoms which are as under:

    1. Delayed starting
    2. Knocking and RPM destabilization
    3. U can press the accelerator all the way down but it feels that car is not translating this into momentum
    4. when u move the steering wheel it sounds too heavy
    5. In short ur car performance is not as compared to the acceleration given by u
    Oww yessss now i got it.Yes when i press the accelerator,the rpm goes up like my car will fly lolz but it takes momentum slowly..Now m sure tappets need some adjustments.

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    @ally
    well, cant say whats wrong... is the tire pressure correct? as mentioned by @fahad, 17km/ltr from an auto is simply amazing... no one in this thread or off of it reported to have achieved these figures but hey im not saying i doubt ur statement... why dont u check the avg again, may be the fuel u got last time wasnt good...
    if ur car has done 54000kms (im assuming u dont have cng installed and u never had it in the past too) ur car does needs tappets adjustment. Honda service manual recommends to get it done after every 20,000kms... so u are already 34000kms above that!!! the tappets change their characteristics (size, actually) by repeated expansion and contraction due to usage. thats why they need to be readjusted. i dont know why ur mechanic said its not needed but do take car, its a VERY tricky job...not everyone can do it... get it done only from a well reputed and expert mechanic... otherwise u ll have issues with the sound and performance of ur engine...
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    done @ huzaifaa bro
    sorry for being lazy
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