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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Thanks fahad...Thanks Ahmad bro..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    u r always welcome my brother but keep in mind, he only does this sort of work, he does not deals with mechanical work(in desi he is not a mistri), his especiality is CNG fitting and tunning but has good sound knowledge of PETROL schematics and flow diagram. So, i can exploit his 2 dimensional knowledge to good effect
    wow... zabardust! just forwarded his details to my cousin in rwp, hes been struggling to find a good mechanic for his 01 civic
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    thank you guys for you replies.

    yes the yellow light showed at 478kms(+-) and i drove 10 more kms after that.. but i am confused that how come i put in 46litres of fuel :s i am still puzzled about that...
    after that i thought its not okay because 4500rs worth of petrol is too much and i need to get things sorted..so i went to a mechanic and then asked him to do something so that the mileage improves.. i have gone to him before..

    he asked me to turn on the car and then he accelerated it and then he said switch it off.. then he opened everything and reached to the tappets... i asked him why did he do that? so he told me that that tappets needs to be adjusted and the adjusted them to 8 number.. basically the tappets were at 12 number before.. and since he has done his work the sound of the car has vanished.. and its like quiet.. i can only hear the alternator a little other than that the car is quite mashAllah..
    i asked him that is the throttle body okay or not? he said no its okay and does not require cleaning or anything.. after all of this he was asking for 600rs i said i'll give 400rs but then finally he took 500rs..
    the mechanic also checked the plugs and they were red... he said the engine is ok Alhamdullilah and everything is fine.. so lets see what happens now.

    now the pick of the car has also improved and also the idiling but i am not sure about the average so i am planning to fill the tank again when i have done 100kms is that a good idea?

    after everything he reset the cpu of the car... i don't know why did he do that.. maybe you guys can tell me...

    @fahad. brother thanks for the help and your suggestions i am definitely going to check all of these.. i drive slow and avoid hard braking unless necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    thank you guys for you replies.

    yes the yellow light showed at 478kms(+-) and i drove 10 more kms after that.. but i am confused that how come i put in 46litres of fuel :s i am still puzzled about that...
    after that i thought its not okay because 4500rs worth of petrol is too much and i need to get things sorted..so i went to a mechanic and then asked him to do something so that the mileage improves.. i have gone to him before..

    he asked me to turn on the car and then he accelerated it and then he said switch it off.. then he opened everything and reached to the tappets... i asked him why did he do that? so he told me that that tappets needs to be adjusted and the adjusted them to 8 number.. basically the tappets were at 12 number before.. and since he has done his work the sound of the car has vanished.. and its like quiet.. i can only hear the alternator a little other than that the car is quite mashAllah..
    i asked him that is the throttle body okay or not? he said no its okay and does not require cleaning or anything.. after all of this he was asking for 600rs i said i'll give 400rs but then finally he took 500rs..
    the mechanic also checked the plugs and they were red... he said the engine is ok Alhamdullilah and everything is fine.. so lets see what happens now.

    now the pick of the car has also improved and also the idiling but i am not sure about the average so i am planning to fill the tank again when i have done 100kms is that a good idea?

    after everything he reset the cpu of the car... i don't know why did he do that.. maybe you guys can tell me...

    @fahad. brother thanks for the help and your suggestions i am definitely going to check all of these.. i drive slow and avoid hard braking unless necessary.
    well,well,well tappet issue becomes a hot cake. There shud b no myth in fact that tappet adjustment is due after 25000km and if u r delaying u r compromising on ur car performance. Keep in mind one thing u can only control the controlables and u shud control them.....
    Secondly u mentioned that u refilled after 10km of yellow light, as far as i know light comes after 35litres consumption, so i guess u need to work out on it.
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    @ally, did u changed fuel filter and fuel pump after 40000km. Bad Fuel pump can cause delay in starting and fuel filter affects average.
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    @haa0518, precisely from which pump u refilled the fuel
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    @ally, did u changed fuel filter and fuel pump after 40000km. Bad Fuel pump can cause delay in starting and fuel filter affects average.
    Fahad bro i didnt changed fuel filter and fuel pump.Also this is my very first experience with auto car,so i dont know much about how to deal with auto cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    well,well,well tappet issue becomes a hot cake. There shud b no myth in fact that tappet adjustment is due after 25000km and if u r delaying u r compromising on ur car performance. Keep in mind one thing u can only control the controlables and u shud control them.....
    Secondly u mentioned that u refilled after 10km of yellow light, as far as i know light comes after 35litres consumption, so i guess u need to work out on it.
    so what do you think.. was it a good idea to get the tappets adjusted or no? also the tappets were loose before, and now the mechanic has tightened them up, so is this okay?
    i also called a person this morning for computerised tuning. what do you say about this? he said he will charge 1700rs which includes tuning and OBDII scan... shed some light on this part aswell thanks for the replies.

    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    @haa0518, precisely from which pump u refilled the fuel
    i went to caltex before but not anymore... and 46litres :s how is this possible... the max fuel i got was 37-39L but 46 is too much.. i feel robbed
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    Well.... I just refilled fuel becuase tomorrow i am going for long trip again to Phalia.... and u can see the differnece between CALTEX and TOTAL ,

    For average,
    Distance covered= 294.4km
    Fuel Refilled=1099.6 PKR (11.2 Litres)
    Average mileage=26.2kmpl (including 70% on highway and 30% in rwp saddar 1st gear mostly)
    Average cost =3.73 (why need CNG)
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    TOTAL is working wonders for me, even i can feel the difference in drive as i suggested so many times.....
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    so what do you think.. was it a good idea to get the tappets adjusted or no? also the tappets were loose before, and now the mechanic has tightened them up, so is this okay?
    i also called a person this morning for computerised tuning. what do you say about this? he said he will charge 1700rs which includes tuning and OBDII scan... shed some light on this part aswell thanks for the replies.


    i went to caltex before but not anymore... and 46litres :s how is this possible... the max fuel i got was 37-39L but 46 is too much.. i feel robbed
    u remember some pages back i raised a concern about CALTEX pump guages are not upto mark, just go back to the pump u refilled the fuel and ask them to give them petrol in the bottle, then u can measure the guage is upto standard or not...........even, i saw first time any person in the city getting 46+ litres of fuel so it seems something is fishy.....
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    my friend working in Attock refinery (holding a managerial post)told me that whenever there is some shortage of petrol(due to hera pheri) they always adjust like this by adjusting /tempering the fuel guages of the dispensers and believe me it is true....
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    about tappets issue, i am always a follower of periodic maintenance even if car is not giving u particular troubles because (engineers can realize this fact) that there is some tolerance in the lifecycle of every mechanical and electrical part and may be u didnt get the signs of wear and tear at first but if u didnt go for maintenance, u r inviting the trouble and there is famous saying that (hathon se baandi howi girra daantoo se kholi per jaati hay) so mend it before its too late...... and there is one saying that HONDA le loo tou maintenance ko bhool jaoo , that is not true periodic maintenance is necessary even for everything......so there are not shortcuts in life and experience will teach everyone this thing......
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ally View Post
    Fahad bro i didnt changed fuel filter and fuel pump.Also this is my very first experience with auto car,so i dont know much about how to deal with auto cars.
    get if changed on first priority, i m 90% sure that ur delayed starting problem will be solved only by changing fuel pump and ur average will improve after changing fuel filtre, it goes true and applicable for every car driving on petrol there is no disctinction in this for HONDA or non-HONDA and auto or manual.... that the fuel filter and fuel pump to be changed max by 50000km although company suggest to change it on 40000km..... must change these before anyother thing ......... now i m getting more surprised that u got 17kmpl with so many things to be maintained....
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    Well.... I just refilled fuel becuase tomorrow i am going for long trip again to Phalia.... and u can see the differnece between CALTEX and TOTAL ,

    For average,
    Distance covered= 294.4km
    Fuel Refilled=1099.6 PKR (11.2 Litres)
    Average mileage=26.2kmpl (including 70% on highway and 30% in rwp saddar 1st gear mostly)
    Average cost =3.73 (why need CNG)


    TOTAL is working wonders for me, even i can feel the difference in drive as i suggested so many times.....
    Bro yar brilliant avg i m following ur posts, yar masALLAH fit mileage plz guide the user from which Total pump u filling petrol in rwp/isb.....i surely ll pay visit to it
    Love Live Pakistan....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shazi_00 View Post
    Bro yar brilliant avg i m following ur posts, yar masALLAH fit mileage plz guide the user from which Total pump u filling petrol in rwp/isb.....i surely ll pay visit to it
    @shazi, just scroll 2 or 3 pages before this and i posted list of TOTAL pumps in RWP/ISB, we can check them out. I personally refill from the newly opened pump in Taxila next to Margalla as i travel daily from WAH CANTT to ISB for my job. Also, i have tried out the TOTAL pump just after RAWAT (from RWP to LHR) and just before DEENA (from RWP to LHR).... for detailed lists u can refer to my earlier post......
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    i changed the gear oil today and precisely it take 1.75 litres for manual transmission. I measured it exactly, so everyone next time make this clear to get 2*1 litre packing is enough for honda city i-DSI manual..
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    fahad_reloaded<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_3278203", true); </SCRIPT>
    plz share which oil u used and for how much?
    and whats the difference now!
    as i m feeling something hard in gears now, my idsi is abt 60k and feeling to change the Gear Oil.
    plz share ur experience and let elders to verify
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazee View Post
    fahad_reloaded<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_3278203", true); </SCRIPT>
    plz share which oil u used and for how much?
    and whats the difference now!
    as i m feeling something hard in gears now, my idsi is abt 60k and feeling to change the Gear Oil.
    plz share ur experience and let elders to verify
    thanks
    gear oil is a must change every 40km, for Honda u can go for MTF (for manual transmission) and CVT (for auto), HONDA is 1150PKR/Litre u can also go for ZIC (about 460 PKR/litre)......
    For the feeling, well i m driving the i-DSI for more than 5 years now, so i know when to change the gear oil and of course with new oil u always feel too good. But in my case, i m the only driver and my car has been used by only me so i exactly know about whole condition of it.....


    For ur gear resistance, worn out pressure plate can also cause the same issue, so first check with mechanic about the right cause and then go for maintenance
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    Fahad bhai ap cha gaye hain MASHALLAH itni pyari average apki gari daiti hai aur mein kehta hoon mujhe 16 he day day toh bari baat hai

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    Fahad bro i had the excellent experience with (zic-xq) which will cost you round about 3,400.The company says to change oil after 10k but i will change after 8k. Doesn't matter if the car is manual or auto.

    For great power use denso-iridium spark plugs.In my car 8 spark plugs are used so it cost me round about 7,400.Which will change after 40k

    Before these plugs i have used bosh 4 tip plugs but the problem i have faced with them is they dont burn the fuel completely which will effect the engine alot so i have changed them after 100km.Between i have got them if anyone interested,he can buy from me :p

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