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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Thanks guys.
    thanks very much for help.
    i am gonna find a clean iDsi after selling my eXi...
    Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ms View Post
    today got me a 2011 honda city manual only 8k driven
    before this my daily runner was 1.8 civic prosmetic which is a gaz guzzler my monthy fuel expense on civic was 45k-50k, last whole month i keep on using my mum 2010 city as a daily runner, surprisingly its fuel expenses were only 15k , so yesterday i sold my civic and now got me a 2011 city as well
    installed some add ons on it like 16s rims/tyres, tinted the whole car/aripress/changed the front grill as well
    COngratulations.... thats a whole lot of saving to make every month nice decision taken... civic really is a gas guzzler... btw, how many kms do u drive in a month?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    I installed new brake disc plates (TAWAS) just like 50 days ago and i was feeling jerky when apply brakes above 70km, so yesterday i decided to polish/level the disc plates. As, if disc are kept unused for longer interval(as in shops) their levelling is seriously disturbed, so i got my disc tooled yesterday and check the awesome work done by the Kharaad guy, he was really expert at it.........Now, it feels like NEW and also performs like NEW as well........
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    nice job done... i got this done 2 times but it didnt help
    u must ve noticed that the padel gets very soft for the first few hundred kilometers and the brake force is lesser. it will get better slowly when the surface of the rotor is rubbed in the same shape as the pads.

    in my case, the rotors were (are ) bent somewhat... rotor phasing helps for a few thousand kilometers but then the vibration gets back will have to get new rotors and pads....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sentimentx View Post
    can anybody tel me, y City don't ve Heat meter? even Mehran has heat meter.
    there IS a temprature guage...
    when the car is cold, a light shows up in the speedometer. when the car warms up, the light goes off and theres another light for heat. if the car heats up more then normal level, the red light shows up in speedometer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    COngratulations.... thats a whole lot of saving to make every month nice decision taken... civic really is a gas guzzler... btw, how many kms do u drive in a month?
    thanks indeed it is . well my per month running is around 3500 kms

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    both babes together . silver one is mine and black one is ov my mum

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    i ve one question as well. mine city right tail light has some dust particles inside the reverse and indicator area, how to clean it ? whats the solution for it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ms View Post
    i ve one question as well. mine city right tail light has some dust particles inside the reverse and indicator area, how to clean it ? whats the solution for it ?
    yeah i can see the dust in there... well, theres no way u can do it urself
    better take it to a headlight/bumper repair guy.he ll take it apart and clean it from inside properly (by seperating the upper lens from the housing)

    or u may want to invest in a brand new light. or may be one from bilal ganj shud do equally good.
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    @a1ms
    one think i'd like to ask u... how are u feeling after shifting downwards from civic to a city? the saving is huge but how does it feels? theres a lot of difference... power, comfort, stability, features etc etc...
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    this thread is quite active among fan club threads
    sorry for hijacking it
    but since its HONDA so can any1 suggest some good security feature for civic 04?
    my mehran got stolen last year,got civic 2days back,i cant park it anywhere with that fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaudhary9 View Post
    this thread is quite active among fan club threads
    sorry for hijacking it
    but since its HONDA so can any1 suggest some good security feature for civic 04?
    my mehran got stolen last year,got civic 2days back,i cant park it anywhere with that fear
    get it insured... security system, trakker etc etc all fail very easily... insurance is the only way out. ur car is more then 5yrs old so the rates will also be less... other then that, almost everything has a solution... chor locks, trackers, gsm security systems etc etc...
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    Installed DVD with LCD touch enable also stylus comes with it, reverse cam, LCD in headrest on both the seats since my kids want cartoons(i m not that old which u r thinking at the moment just turned 29 on 6th March) and since i had lot of long drives so it is the best way to keep them busy with cartoons stuff...DVD includes DVD,MP3,USB,SD-Card,Radio,BlueTooth(A2DPsupport) HD resolution is supported, For reverse cam is night vision universal camera. Headrest LCD quality is also good. I am posting the pictures here for the reference....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    nice job done... i got this done 2 times but it didnt help
    u must ve noticed that the padel gets very soft for the first few hundred kilometers and the brake force is lesser. it will get better slowly when the surface of the rotor is rubbed in the same shape as the pads.

    in my case, the rotors were (are ) bent somewhat... rotor phasing helps for a few thousand kilometers but then the vibration gets back will have to get new rotors and pads....
    @ahmad, well i have handson knowledge on the braking system, now lets throw some light on the fact that why we need disc polishing/levelling

    1. First factor is the passage of the time, normally the genuine disc plates(depending on the driving style) wear out with the time
    2. second and mostly common factor is that people keep using the worn disc pads until they completely worn out and this is the biggest cause responsible for discturbing the disc plate
    3. thirdly, whenever u go for a car wash or service, if u had driven long time ur disc plates are very hot and suddenly they throw cold water on the plates causing sudden temperature changed causing them to wear out. Whenever u go for a service, wait for 20-25 minutes before throwing water directuly on the disc plates.
    4. One another factor is hard braking, if u apply hard braking it will damage the discs very soon, so aovid it when possible
    Normally , disc plate stay good for 40000km u have to get them tolled after that, mine genuine were tolled at 42k for the first time and then i replaced them around 85000km...
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    ^^ Nice.. can you please share the complete cost of the package?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    which advancer u r using ???? Only this can be your last hope check out for advancer settings ... this issue is very common with Honda City on CNG in manual as well as automatic and let me tell u there is NO solution literally once it starts to happen...... another factor may be there......get ur clutch plate checked........it may cause same issues.....
    if u still wanna use CNG beleive me there is not much difference between CNG and pertrol cost for i-DSI (well im not sure about Vario)

    i think there will be no issue with the clutch as the car is perfect on petrol, i am using cip4 advancer/emulator. i am still confused as to how cng is affecting with the CVT.

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    after the tappet adjustment.. i am very happy to see these results... and it was worth going to the mechanic after paying 4,500PKR for the fuel
    now lets see where we end and what is the total mileage i get.. but there are few days left for me to do back :s i will try my best to empty the tank
    what do you guys say? is the mileage looking good now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    get it insured... security system, trakker etc etc all fail very easily... insurance is the only way out. ur car is more then 5yrs old so the rates will also be less... other then that, almost everything has a solution... chor locks, trackers, gsm security systems etc etc...
    yea insurance is good but its a 7year old car,they'll consider depreciation as well,i got 2.4lac for my 2005 model stolen mehran when i claimed its insurance this year.

    anyways any which insurance is good and whats their percentage?

    n what about immobiliser,can i get one in this model?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    one think i'd like to ask u... how are u feeling after shifting downwards from civic to a city? the saving is huge but how does it feels? theres a lot of difference... power, comfort, stability, features etc etc...
    well ahmad bhai, as per my experience with city and civic, the only difference is that of size, and features...

    Power, stability and comfort are almost the same as civic also has a hardyy suspension like the city.

    Yes power seems to be no different in both cars as city reponds to a full throttle the same way a vti responds to it...

    Ever I see a Xli coming up hard in my rear view mirror, I simply let it come equal to me, give the driver a GRIN and push the pedal to the medal...

    City simply pulls away like a dream as the civic does.

    The "not too different" factor is due to the huge body design of the civic.

    I actually feel like having more control over he car in my city rather than driving my dad's civic. Feels like to me as I know it starts "gulping in" petrol with every full throttle...
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    @a1ms Dude, get ur mom's city a chrome exhaust same as urs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    after the tappet adjustment.. i am very happy to see these results... and it was worth going to the mechanic after paying 4,500PKR for the fuel
    now lets see where we end and what is the total mileage i get.. but there are few days left for me to do back :s i will try my best to empty the tank
    what do you guys say? is the mileage looking good now?
    100% city driving and with traffic jams as well
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    i told u it will make lot of difference n u can see the result.... Btw how ab that lighter steering after tappet adjustment. It is awesome feeling rite?
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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