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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Can anyone give me a price estimate for Honda City's (2010) Brake pads? The brake pads seem to be nearing their end or so the brake oil level suggests.

    Secondly I would really appreciate if someone could shed some light on 'tooling' of the discs. My brakes seem to be gripping fine, however I was inspecting the the front discs the other day, and felt a slight uneven line as I was sliding my finger across the disc. Should I be worried about this? :p

    So what should I do? Take the car to Honda Classic or source out the parts and labor from somewhere else?

    One more thing, I will be going for my first oil change in a week, which oil do you guys suggest I use?
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    finally, made a copy of hook(used for towing) got the original one from sheikh_wah (JAZAKALLAH) , upward (top one)is the genuine and downward (bottom one)is the local copy, but local one is more solid than original one.....

    for reference the chori (spacing is exactly 1.75mm) if anyone wants to have a copy made for himself ..........any guesses how much it should cost me ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotaLOverdosE View Post
    Can anyone give me a price estimate for Honda City's (2010) Brake pads? The brake pads seem to be nearing their end or so the brake oil level suggests.

    Secondly I would really appreciate if someone could shed some light on 'tooling' of the discs. My brakes seem to be gripping fine, however I was inspecting the the front discs the other day, and felt a slight uneven line as I was sliding my finger across the disc. Should I be worried about this? :p

    So what should I do? Take the car to Honda Classic or source out the parts and labor from somewhere else?

    One more thing, I will be going for my first oil change in a week, which oil do you guys suggest I use?
    1. Brake pads range from 800 PKR -- 4000 PKR depending upon the quality
    2. If u r not getting any jerks on braking above 70km, there is still no need for discs to be tolled yet
    3. Well if car model is 2010, its engine oil have been changed by the previous owner, do consult with him and avoid unnecessary engine oil brand change, as it will ruin the engine.
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Need Only experts comments on this

    For the last some days i am feeling the undue resistance in the gear changing especially moving from 3rd gear to 2nd gear, thought there might be issue with the gear oil, completely drained the old gear oil and fill new one like 2 weeks ago, pressure plate is only 5000km old, seems no apparent reason for this.......... What could be the possible cause ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabish_khalil View Post
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    Bro i bought 2006 vario 1 month ago and its also on petrol i m getting same average....10-11km/litre in city Islamabad and moterway 12.5km/l when i keep it under 2000 rmp without A/c......i m also very disappointed with its average.... i got tune my car from honda i-10 including air filter replaced by honda original parts tappet adjusted and thorrtle cleanup after tuning diagnostic with computer software result was car is normal but still on same position.....plz share ur vario averages plz



    as suggested by ahmad, replace ur fuel filter +fuel pump (if mileage is 40000+), btw r u facing
    1. the problem of delayed starting(indication of bad fuel pump)
    2. knocking issue in idling
    3. sudden drops in rpm
    4. how about the air pressure in the tyres with the modern radial tyres there is one issue that even if they have a little puncture, ppl r unable to detect and keep on driving but it hurts the fuel and affects economy
    5. which petrol u r using and from which pump?
    share these things and then we can pinpoint the exact cause contributing for such bad average
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    @all members I am back and this time with an accidental DIY. Details will be posted tomorrow but you need to guess what it is. Its still in process so cant post pics now but I tell its a must do for everyone

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    memon
    waiting now, what ve u done
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    @all members I am back and this time with an accidental DIY. Details will be posted tomorrow but you need to guess what it is. Its still in process so cant post pics now but I tell its a must do for everyone
    dont tell me its bumper repairing
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    AlhamdULillah..... these pics are taken today in sunshine (which makes them more worth) since in shade the dark colors always shine more but these are shining in sunlight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabish_khalil View Post
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    Bro i bought 2006 vario 1 month ago and its also on petrol i m getting same average....10-11km/litre in city Islamabad and moterway 12.5km/l when i keep it under 2000 rmp without A/c......i m also very disappointed with its average.... i got tune my car from honda i-10 including air filter replaced by honda original parts tappet adjusted and thorrtle cleanup after tuning diagnostic with computer software result was car is normal but still on same position.....plz share ur vario averages plz
    I also got a 2006 Vario, have no idea about city driving average but on highway it gives me 15+ KM/L on Petrol and 16+ KM/L if HIgh Octane is mixed in ration 1:3. your given average of 12.5 KM/L is not satisfactory, I think u should consider the suggestions given by some experienced and expert members of our group . Best of Luck.

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    @RollOnBigMaMa
    There is absolutely no issue with tyres if air pressure is ok and car is being used just few KMs in a week. Dont worry and have no tension

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    indeed true... vti main toh 4 din ki maar hai , but baaki 3 cars main it'll last for over a month or may be more...

    as for my name, , Fawad...

    And dudes, I have another query...

    -My ivtec city is usually garaged all the time. I take it out for a few km drive after a week or so. But regularly start it up and keep its tank topped up.

    A person recently scared me that if a car is garaged for too long and is driven very less, its tyres eventually become de shaped...

    I am confused. Does garaging a car mean I'll have to qurbaan my 48 k worth of yokohamas??

    Btw today, I saw a JDm honda fit aria at a tyre shop in mianwali... The guy seemed to be really an educated person who knew the worth of the car he had. he said he preferred this car over Gli, probox, corolla x and 7th gen civic.

    He said he was proud of his decision and would advise any day anytime to go for this car.

    yaar, I sat in that car and believe me you guyz, I was just"

    ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!! ufff!!!

    It had Abs, in dash sat nav, 7 speed gear mode, 1.5L vtec, remote trunk opener, immobilizer, sort of shock absorbers like mehran under the hood to lift it up, 15" low profile tyres, climate controlled AC, map lights, optitron speedo, foot rest, and what not what not...

    I was hell more surprised when he said that he got it for Rs 1230k including VIP islamabad registration... ufff!!! ufff!!!

    And our Pakistani qaoum will always buy a probox and Xli which are pieces of sh*t compared to that beauty...
    Hello Fawad, nice to know ur name
    well well well, tire deshape... hmmm... sounds plausible but not very easily... if u drive it even a few kms after day or two, they wud be fine... but if the car is parked for weeks n weeks then the tires can get deshaped... thats what i think... may be im wrong...

    and yaarr...i also saw a fit aria in sargodha, it was in light golden color. it had all the features that u have mentioned and i was also amazed because that was the first time i got to know that. and for 1230k, the car is definately worth it... good condition later model idsis are being sold for above 11, so at 1230k a JDM city is well worth money paid... but yeah our ppl are only buying jdm alto or toyota pro-dabba these days :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotaLOverdosE View Post
    Can anyone give me a price estimate for Honda City's (2010) Brake pads? The brake pads seem to be nearing their end or so the brake oil level suggests.

    Secondly I would really appreciate if someone could shed some light on 'tooling' of the discs. My brakes seem to be gripping fine, however I was inspecting the the front discs the other day, and felt a slight uneven line as I was sliding my finger across the disc. Should I be worried about this? :p

    So what should I do? Take the car to Honda Classic or source out the parts and labor from somewhere else?

    One more thing, I will be going for my first oil change in a week, which oil do you guys suggest I use?
    Do NOT get the brake rotors tooled ... u dont need to do anything unless there is an issue or u feel vibrations in the steering/brake pedal when u press the brake...
    for oil, get Havoline formula engine oil... 10w30... best oil for newer cars... brand new brake pads OEM Honda are for 5500rs i guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    AlhamdULillah..... these pics are taken today in sunshine (which makes them more worth) since in shade the dark colors always shine more but these are shining in sunlight...
    Mashallah Mashallah... very nice shine... the camera couldnt really pick them up properly but i can easily see the grains inside the paint.. and if they are visible, means the car is shiny
    i waxed my car today, too... but it was getting dark so didnt take any pix...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Hello Fawad, nice to know ur name
    well well well, tire deshape... hmmm... sounds plausible but not very easily... if u drive it even a few kms after day or two, they wud be fine... but if the car is parked for weeks n weeks then the tires can get deshaped... thats what i think... may be im wrong...

    and yaarr...i also saw a fit aria in sargodha, it was in light golden color. it had all the features that u have mentioned and i was also amazed because that was the first time i got to know that. and for 1230k, the car is definately worth it... good condition later model idsis are being sold for above 11, so at 1230k a JDM city is well worth money paid... but yeah our ppl are only buying jdm alto or toyota pro-dabba these days :|
    hmmm... well, a person has suggested to remove the tyres and set it on blocks under the gaadri.

    but thats not gonna work for me... cz every time I need it, I'll have to say o teri, jootay pehno...

    therefore, i guess I am gonna drive it a bit more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    hmmm... well, a person has suggested to remove the tyres and set it on blocks under the gaadri.

    but thats not gonna work for me... cz every time I need it, I'll have to say o teri, jootay pehno...

    therefore, i guess I am gonna drive it a bit more...
    Dont worry yar, no need to burn more petrol just for this reason... they are gonna be fine
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    @ahmadbila
    brother you suggested Havoline Formula 10w30 to "totaloverdose" as good engine oil stating for "new cars". I am also using the same but my car is not new. my car is 2005 idsi with 145000 kms on odo. So should i use the same 10w30??????

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    with a hevy heart i have to announce here that i m not getting the delivery of my city in may from showroom as petrol has gone WAY WAY beyond manageable limits , and i have heard that the new city dosnt run on CNG...so alas...i loved the car and wud hae loved to keep it but its impossible anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    with a hevy heart i have to announce here that i m not getting the delivery of my city in may from showroom as petrol has gone WAY WAY beyond manageable limits , and i have heard that the new city dosnt run on CNG...so alas...i loved the car and wud hae loved to keep it but its impossible anymore
    OH GOD WHY???

    did u cancel the booking? yaar it does excellent fuel average and can run perfectly on CNG if yer willing to spend another 75 thousand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    with a hevy heart i have to announce here that i m not getting the delivery of my city in may from showroom as petrol has gone WAY WAY beyond manageable limits , and i have heard that the new city dosnt run on CNG...so alas...i loved the car and wud hae loved to keep it but its impossible anymore
    city i vetc even in auto transmission dont hav n e issue on cng unlike idsi vario
    then whats the prob?
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