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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    i-DSI and i-VTEC side by side

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    @ memon88, fahad_reloaded, Rollon

    With reference to my last post about AC service, this guy Abu Bakar has a good repute (this is atleast what I'v seen in many posts on PW) and seems OK, I'v reconfirmed the gas loss issue with him and he still stick with this theory that in order to clean the evaporator we need to disconnect it from system which cause the gas loss. Its amazing and I am confused as two of our very respectable and technically sound PW fellows saying that this procedure is possible without any gas loss. another confusing thing is that he is charging Rs. 2700/- including gas, compressor oil and labour wheras Memon88 has paid Rs.2500/- for the service without gas filling/charging, how could he manage gas refill in just Rs. 200/-. @Rollon, dear would u plz guide me the place where u get ur car's ac serviced, is it in ISB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    @ memon88, fahad_reloaded, Rollon

    With reference to my last post about AC service, this guy Abu Bakar has a good repute (this is atleast what I'v seen in many posts on PW) and seems OK, I'v reconfirmed the gas loss issue with him and he still stick with this theory that in order to clean the evaporator we need to disconnect it from system which cause the gas loss. Its amazing and I am confused as two of our very respectable and technically sound PW fellows saying that this procedure is possible without any gas loss. another confusing thing is that he is charging Rs. 2700/- including gas, compressor oil and labour wheras Memon88 has paid Rs.2500/- for the service without gas filling/charging, how could he manage gas refill in just Rs. 200/-. @Rollon, dear would u plz guide me the place where u get ur car's ac serviced, is it in ISB?

    @Nasir Bhai, just wait till Monday, i will be refilling my AC gas and will let u know the status. I have completed the research and PAKISTAN CAR AC near OJARI CAMP Faizabad have good repute and specialized only in CAR AC service and gas charging, i will be visiting them on Monday so i will let u know, also i will be going GUJRAT on Tuesday as i told u for wedding so there already 30+ degree temp, results of AC will be obvious then......
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    I have tears in my eyes while posting these, i found these pics in my laptop today and well this car i had and it was like WOW....


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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    @ memon88, fahad_reloaded, Rollon

    With reference to my last post about AC service, this guy Abu Bakar has a good repute (this is atleast what I'v seen in many posts on PW) and seems OK, I'v reconfirmed the gas loss issue with him and he still stick with this theory that in order to clean the evaporator we need to disconnect it from system which cause the gas loss. Its amazing and I am confused as two of our very respectable and technically sound PW fellows saying that this procedure is possible without any gas loss. another confusing thing is that he is charging Rs. 2700/- including gas, compressor oil and labour wheras Memon88 has paid Rs.2500/- for the service without gas filling/charging, how could he manage gas refill in just Rs. 200/-. @Rollon, dear would u plz guide me the place where u get ur car's ac serviced, is it in ISB?
    Well 2500rs is a fixed amount and you dont have to pay any additional amount for gas so even if your system needs gas worth 2000rs they will still charge you 2500rs. So in 2500rs they will do the complete service including any gas that goes in. Probably your AC guy is also quoting you 2700rs including gas

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    and after all my calculations and suggestions and browsing and research yesterday and finally making up my mind to install CNG in my ivtec,, CNG prices are increased by Rs 12 per kg....lol...awesome...so i stand at the foothill once again

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    +1
    i ve heard (from @fahad_reloaded and other sources) that the gas available in the market these days is fake or low quality so the cooling will never be the same as original...
    In our office, they use honeywell R22 type of gas for HVAC system. My car gas was refilled by last owner & its worked fine last year. There are low price gas available in market and their quality is bit low.

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    members kindly decide about venue timing n date of gtg after 10th april
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    can any one guide me how would the side skirts look on Honda city 2010.... and whats the difference in Fibre and ABS plastic side skirts..... and the body kit.....any difference in looks.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    members kindly decide about venue timing n date of gtg after 10th april
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    and after all my calculations and suggestions and browsing and research yesterday and finally making up my mind to install CNG in my ivtec,, CNG prices are increased by Rs 12 per kg....lol...awesome...so i stand at the foothill once again
    well, the price of petrol has also gone up by 7 or 8rs so the difference between driving on petrol and cng will still be almost the same as before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadk View Post
    dont you think it requires more than 1 litre of coolant? you mean to say the total capacity of radiator is 2 litre only?
    i dont know what the total capacity is but what i know is that 1ltr coolant + water top up worked fine on my car because after almost a year (40,000kms) there is still a lot of coolant in the radiator i.e. it hasnt diluted too much.
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    @fahad bhai
    Mashallah ur ex-city looks scratchless... too bad u had to let it go kher, chalta hy :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    well i have one question here, on the CNG what average/km u can get i can bet it is in between 3.80 PKR to 5 PKR and on my i-DSI i am getting 5 PKR on PETROL, so what is the point in carrying additional weight in trunks and getting in lines and also during LOAD SHEDDING days driving on PETROL, i think by the end of the month, if u compare CNG and PETROL cost together, there will be not much difference....
    Fahad bhai, ghussa janay dain i agree k khuaari bohot hy but there still is a lot of difference.
    heres how...

    lets take 1 unit of both.
    1kg gas = 80rs (new rate)
    my car does around 22km EASILY in 1kg gas
    so that turns out to be approx. 3.5rs/km

    Now, 1 unit of petrol.
    1ltr petrol = 107rs (new rate)
    a good avg is 14km/ltr local
    that turns out to be 7.6rs/km

    difference per km = 4.1rs

    for a guy like me who drives 4-5k kms a month, this is a saving of 16400-20500 PKR per month which means an annual saving of 196800-246,000 PKR.

    Now that is quite a good amount
    even if u decrease the mileage per unit of cng and increase that of petrol, the difference is still huge...

    and here the part that everyones gonna find really interesting... its about my own car. it has mileage of 2,25,000kms now. first 19600kms was done on petrol.
    Distance covered on CNG = 2,05,400kms
    total saving = total distance covered x saving per km
    total saving = 205400 x 4.1
    total saving = 8,42,140 PKR
    which EXACTLY was the cost of the car back in 2006

    and the difference of 4.1rs per km is not avg. the difference was much higher back in 2006-2008 when price of CNG was around 34-43rs per kg and petrol was near 80rs/ltr (1:2) so if i account for that avg too,the saving is 1 million PKR plus howz that
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    wow you saved a lot of amount, more tha the price of the car you bought it for
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Fahad bhai, ghussa janay dain i agree k khuaari bohot hy but there still is a lot of difference.
    heres how...

    lets take 1 unit of both.
    1kg gas = 80rs (new rate)
    my car does around 22km EASILY in 1kg gas
    so that turns out to be approx. 3.5rs/km

    Now, 1 unit of petrol.
    1ltr petrol = 107rs (new rate)
    a good avg is 14km/ltr local
    that turns out to be 7.6rs/km

    difference per km = 4.1rs

    for a guy like me who drives 4-5k kms a month, this is a saving of 16400-20500 PKR per month which means an annual saving of 196800-246,000 PKR.

    Now that is quite a good amount
    even if u decrease the mileage per unit of cng and increase that of petrol, the difference is still huge...

    and here the part that everyones gonna find really interesting... its about my own car. it has mileage of 2,25,000kms now. first 19600kms was done on petrol.
    Distance covered on CNG = 2,05,400kms
    total saving = total distance covered x saving per km
    total saving = 205400 x 4.1
    total saving = 8,42,140 PKR
    which EXACTLY was the cost of the car back in 2006

    and the difference of 4.1rs per km is not avg. the difference was much higher back in 2006-2008 when price of CNG was around 34-43rs per kg and petrol was near 80rs/ltr (1:2) so if i account for that avg too,the saving is 1 million PKR plus howz that
    chalo Ahmed now check this out,
    For the March 2012, i decided to calculate the mileage for the sake of analysis and here i come

    Starting from 1st March to 31st March

    Total Mileage Covered=4010Km
    Fuel Cost=18218 PKR (186 litre taking 98 PKR as unit during March)
    Average kmpl=21.55 kmpl
    Cost per litre=4.543 PKR

    This is what my i-DSI gives me, i raised the question keeping that in my mind and as a benchmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Fahad bhai, ghussa janay dain i agree k khuaari bohot hy but there still is a lot of difference.
    heres how...

    lets take 1 unit of both.
    1kg gas = 80rs (new rate)
    my car does around 22km EASILY in 1kg gas
    so that turns out to be approx. 3.5rs/km

    Now, 1 unit of petrol.
    1ltr petrol = 107rs (new rate)
    a good avg is 14km/ltr local
    that turns out to be 7.6rs/km

    difference per km = 4.1rs

    for a guy like me who drives 4-5k kms a month, this is a saving of 16400-20500 PKR per month which means an annual saving of 196800-246,000 PKR.

    Now that is quite a good amount
    even if u decrease the mileage per unit of cng and increase that of petrol, the difference is still huge...

    and here the part that everyones gonna find really interesting... its about my own car. it has mileage of 2,25,000kms now. first 19600kms was done on petrol.
    Distance covered on CNG = 2,05,400kms
    total saving = total distance covered x saving per km
    total saving = 205400 x 4.1
    total saving = 8,42,140 PKR
    which EXACTLY was the cost of the car back in 2006

    and the difference of 4.1rs per km is not avg. the difference was much higher back in 2006-2008 when price of CNG was around 34-43rs per kg and petrol was near 80rs/ltr (1:2) so if i account for that avg too,the saving is 1 million PKR plus howz that
    agree +1
    i can do even more cimple cal for u
    today i fill gas tank for 705rs (remember tank was empty i reached pump on petrol) went to isb with some 30 % ac some 30 km local use n then return to haripur n now car is showing 215km n still 25bar is there
    leave 200+ mileage just count 200km per cylinder bro in 3 cylinder u can get 600 km in 2100rs while in full petrol tank i think she can gv 600 round about n u cant full the tank in 2100
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