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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    agree +1
    i can do even more cimple cal for u
    today i fill gas tank for 705rs (remember tank was empty i reached pump on petrol) went to isb with some 30 % ac some 30 km local use n then return to haripur n now car is showing 215km n still 25bar is there
    leave 200+ mileage just count 200km per cylinder bro in 3 cylinder u can get 600 km in 2100rs while in full petrol tank i think she can gv 600 round about n u cant full the tank in 2100
    so, what was ur cost/km at the end of the day, mine was 4.53 PKR for March 2012......and i m more than happy with that and take it any day anytime
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    chalo Ahmed now check this out,
    For the March 2012, i decided to calculate the mileage for the sake of analysis and here i come

    Starting from 1st March to 31st March

    Total Mileage Covered=4010Km
    Fuel Cost=18218 PKR (186 litre taking 98 PKR as unit during March)
    Average kmpl=21.55 kmpl
    Cost per litre=4.543 PKR

    This is what my i-DSI gives me, i raised the question keeping that in my mind and as a benchmark.
    Ustaad jee, yeh tou phir extra ordinary he mileage hy fir meri wali calculation mai tou sara kuch ordinary mileage pay dependent hy

    anyways, both the calculations (by you and by me) are right i guess but 21.55km/ltr is wayyyy tooo gud
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    ^^ Well looking these good figures make me wonder. How come my city is not giving more that 10.5kmpl within city. Its a 09 auto(still at 8k odo).

    Ahmad bhai, we need to talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    ^^ Well looking these good figures make me wonder. How come my city is not giving more that 10.5kmpl within city. Its a 09 auto(still at 8k odo).

    Ahmad bhai, we need to talk.
    10.5kpl is wayyy too less. although its an auto and autos are not as good at mileage as manuals are but still. what are the conditions of ur driving? too much driving in the traffic probably? or a heavy right foot? btw, mileage gets to its best when a new car crosses 10,000kms mark but you are already very close to it, hopefully, situation will improve...
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    Salam to all city fans.
    A very nice thread going on, spent the last 7 hours going through it, Marvelous job indeed Ahmedbilla Jee and others.

    Now I need advice of you guys. I know very little of cars and I m looking to buy one in April, when I come to Pakistan. I need this for my family of 4 ppl, my parents and siblings. This will be my first car. I want to buy an iDsi MT 2005_06 with a budget of about 900k. Budget can be increased if needed.
    Problem is, as this is our first car, is it appropriate I go for city? Some friends suggest to buy a smaller car, just to get the hang of things and later, do a switch. The car will be driven by noob drivers and some damage can be expected. Now should I buy this car or go for cultus etc. how difficult is it to maintain this car? I don't want to buy a Suzuki **** car but I have to be practical as well.

    Now if u guys suggest I buy one, can u suggest someone who is selling his car? Preferably some car u know would be good? Cng will be preferable as I see fuel consumption is quite low. purchase to be made in second third weeks of April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    10.5kpl is wayyy too less. although its an auto and autos are not as good at mileage as manuals are but still. what are the conditions of ur driving? too much driving in the traffic probably? or a heavy right foot? btw, mileage gets to its best when a new car crosses 10,000kms mark but you are already very close to it, hopefully, situation will improve...
    i dont know. I do like to rev it upto 4k at times but thats like once in every 20kms or so. Usually make it to shift b/w 2.3~3k rpm. Not more. Not that a heavy foot, you can say, I just cant wait for the lag, at times it merges in with the driving, but at times it lingers on and on, and i have to mild floor, then retract with the peddle to keep it going with the traffic flow.

    It gave me 14kmpl flat on my last highway trip. Perhaps its coz of the 195s. I regret that decision but its just too heavy on the pocket to bring it back to new 185s.

    Btw, the filters are original honda, the lube's Havoline 10w30. Shell fuel kills the mileage. Works fine with TOTAL fuel. Bohat moody gardi hai when it comes to fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FullyDepreciated View Post
    Salam to all city fans.
    A very nice thread going on, spent the last 7 hours going through it, Marvelous job indeed Ahmedbilla Jee and others.

    Now I need advice of you guys. I know very little of cars and I m looking to buy one in April, when I come to Pakistan. I need this for my family of 4 ppl, my parents and siblings. This will be my first car. I want to buy an iDsi MT 2005_06 with a budget of about 900k. Budget can be increased if needed.
    Problem is, as this is our first car, is it appropriate I go for city? Some friends suggest to buy a smaller car, just to get the hang of things and later, do a switch. The car will be driven by noob drivers and some damage can be expected. Now should I buy this car or go for cultus etc. how difficult is it to maintain this car? I don't want to buy a Suzuki **** car but I have to be practical as well.

    Now if u guys suggest I buy one, can u suggest someone who is selling his car? Preferably some car u know would be good? Cng will be preferable as I see fuel consumption is quite low. purchase to be made in second third weeks of April.
    Thanks for appreciation brother and welcome to Pakwheels and this thread...
    okay, so u need a car and its gonna be ur first car. u dont know much about cars but u do have a reasonable budget. The car may be subjected to harsh drivers and might get some damage. okay, these are the factors influencing ur decision.
    well, the only reason im gonna advice u to stay away from a Honda at this point is that badly kept hondas depreciate really fast (just as ur userid) selling a bad condition honda is much harder and gives one heavy loss. on the other hand a badly kept suzuki or toyota can be sold easily and at lesser loss. so, i'd say either get a honda and keep it away from noob drivers or just dont get it at this point. City is an excellent car for a small family like yours, but keep in mind what i ve said above.
    Otherwise, there is no issue if u dont know anything about cars (in general) and Honda City (in particular) because Pakwheels.com is such a great place that it will make u a master of both IF you take interest so dont worry about that...
    at this point, i'd say get a cultus (used one, atleast 2-3 years old) and when ur family learns to drive and maintain a car, switch to a honda city...
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    No no.... You were supposed to say go buy a city. I needed some ppl saying go get this car, so I could justify it to myself... But you ruined it all Sir....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    i dont know. I do like to rev it upto 4k at times but thats like once in every 20kms or so. Usually make it to shift b/w 2.3~3k rpm. Not more. Not that a heavy foot, you can say, I just cant wait for the lag, at times it merges in with the driving, but at times it lingers on and on, and i have to mild floor, then retract with the peddle to keep it going with the traffic flow.

    It gave me 14kmpl flat on my last highway trip. Perhaps its coz of the 195s. I regret that decision but its just too heavy on the pocket to bring it back to new 185s.

    Btw, the filters are original honda, the lube's Havoline 10w30. Shell fuel kills the mileage. Works fine with TOTAL fuel. Bohat moody gardi hai when it comes to fuel.
    i ve heard that shell is not as good as total. try total for some time. and yes 195s are also playing there role in decreasing the mileage but it cannot put a huge effect on the mileage. you're using the right grade of oil,too.
    Hopefully , mileage will increase after u cross 10,000kms mark...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FullyDepreciated View Post
    No no.... You were supposed to say go buy a city. I needed some ppl saying go get this car, so I could justify it to myself... But you ruined it all Sir....
    Ha Ha Ha.. i'd have dont that but then i'd not be giving u the right advice to you. and thats not what i usually do
    its ur decision, i'd love having a new addition in the fan club. if u can keep the car safe/maintained, then its fine... dont worry about the "know nothing about cars" part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FullyDepreciated View Post
    No no.... You were supposed to say go buy a city. I needed some ppl saying go get this car, so I could justify it to myself... But you ruined it all Sir....
    I , for one, am curious after reading your reply. You want others to scream "City City City" in your ears and then you'll buy one???

    Ahmad gave a practical answer. People can guide you, but you're the one who has to take the decision. Feel like going for a city, you should buy it. Its a great car. Period.
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    today i went to rawalpindi for AC gas charging and there i had many experiences and i will share some of them to you. First of all, these are the pictures of the genuine HONEYWELL gas used for same purpose. The total capacity of i-DSI is slightly less than 1 kg. In mine car, gas was 95% emptied so i had to fill all that . It took 2000 PKR for my car only for gas charging

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    and this is the picture of low quality gas available at same shop for low budget


    when i discussed with the ac guy and owner they both told me that it is impossible for a new/unexperienced person to differentiate between the genuine and low quality gas.... Also they told me that the AC gas is variant of the gas used in the Split AC and Refregiration..... and they both are not same
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    @ Sheikh_wah,

    Nasir Bhai, i had planned to got to Pakistan Car AC but i didnt rather i went to Rawalpindi Saddar and there i find this stuff.....later i will share his location and contact number with u....
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    @ ahmed,

    after experiencing the amazing effects of Liqui Moly fuel injectors cleaner, today i decided to try their engine cleaner solution and then i had the discussion with the owner of the agency(he was a very technical guy and when i say that, it means technical) he convinced me on some point, most strong point was about the use of their engine oil. There are 2 variants at the moment

    1) 5w40 (Fully synthectic) cost is 4200 PKR for 4 litres and drain interval is unbeleivable yeah its 20000km yes 20 thousand Km

    2) 10W40(semi synthectic) cost is 3300 PKR for 4 litres and drain interval is 10000km yup 10 thousand km

    At that time i had already bought HONDA geuine oil so after engine cleaning, i put that and planning to use next time Liqui Moly


    BTW, LIQUI MOLY engine cleaner price is 450 PKR....
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    Today i have done

    1) Engine Oil HONDA (1770)+ Genuine Oil Filter(250) + Air Filter(400)
    2) AC GAS Charging (2000)
    3) Engine Cleaner from LIQUI MOLY (450)
    4) Installed brand new seat covers for Summer (2200)

    and still more to come ...
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    recieved the side skirts & lip spoiler

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    waah... fahad bhai aap nay tou mehfil loot li aaj

    so hows the gas? u must be enjoying the coooooool air from ur ac now, han? my car has its original gas in it so i wont be getting it replaced at any cost but still, i ll keep the name "honeywell" in my mind... 2000rs is not that much sir jee, its gonna cool our **** for around 8 months a years

    okay, liqui moly... well... pehli bat tou ye k os banday say puchna tha yar k ye company ka naam kis nay rakha tha? lol. j/k
    well, there are many synthetic oils that can last for upto 20,000kms and other ones that can last 10,000kms but WHY SHUD U DO THAT? i'd rather get the 3300rs wala oil and change it after 5000kms or so. our driving conditions are toooooo bad fahad bhai, too much heat, dust, stop-n-go situations bla bla bla... i dont think 20k kms chalana chahiay koe bhi oil UNLESS you are in rent a car business if i'd wants to save cash, i'd get the cheapest oil available and use it for 2000kms then to use the most expensive one and use it for 20,000kms (may be there is a lot of physicological effect in it too)

    and hey, u used liqui moly injector cleaners, and i think they helped too, what was its cost?
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    @a1ms
    waiting for the pix of ur ride before after getting all the stuff installed
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    side skirts & lip spoiler ,
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