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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    ^awsum sir g
    matching mud flaps never looks good to me but in ur case they r perfect blend with side skirts
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    one more prob
    kindly ans
    as i switch to 175/65/r15 previously i RL was on r13
    i was thinking that mileage per cylinder will be effected but no pick is effected badly
    today i fill the cylinder for 735rs from haripur n from hasanabdal via gt road went to rwp (redo hospital naaz cinema back) the moment i touched murree road just on the ac n it remain on till haripur) from redo went to g7/4 blue area then i 9/1 n then back to isb via motor way exit from bahtir was on way to hasanabdal but road was blocked then again joined the motorway n exit from bohran n then haripur n it was about 235 km in 1 cylinder that quite amazing but on the other hand speed sux car was not going 140 plus on cng n pick is worse too
    kindly suggest
    all i have to say is... IS TARHA TOU HOTA HY IS TARHA K KAAMO MAI

    and u are right, matching mud flaps dont look good on city idsi but they look great on this new city...
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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ms View Post
    thanks and here you go
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    yaaaaarr... allaa... if i were u, i'd stop right here! wudnt go for any body kit or soo... its perfect now, 16 inch rims, side skirts, a little spoiler... awesome... MashaALLAH
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    yaaaaarr... allaa... if i were u, i'd stop right here! wudnt go for any body kit or soo... its perfect now, 16 inch rims, side skirts, a little spoiler... awesome... MashaALLAH
    agree
    now there is no need of body kit
    jist stop here
    car is more then awsum
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    side skirts....awesome

    lip spoiler...eeeerrrr...nopes

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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ms View Post
    no man. hardly 5km/hr ka difference ata hai, if he is doing 140km/hr he is actually doing 145km/hr max
    oh.. my bad...

    actually I accidentally put in size 175/65/R17
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    @a1ms, yaar can i ask why the rear door air press are mugen style on ur car and the front ones are simple ones???
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    ^awsum sir g
    matching mud flaps never looks good to me but in ur case they r perfect blend with side skirts
    thanks brov

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    yaaaaarr... allaa... if i were u, i'd stop right here! wudnt go for any body kit or soo... its perfect now, 16 inch rims, side skirts, a little spoiler... awesome... MashaALLAH
    hahah thanks , yeah i'll keep it as it is , only fog lamps & modulla front grill will be added to it woh bhi ager mood bana to phir
    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    side skirts....awesome

    lip spoiler...eeeerrrr...nopes
    thanks spoiler enhance its looks
    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    @a1ms, yaar can i ask why the rear door air press are mugen style on ur car and the front ones are simple ones???
    this is called ishtyle back windows are tinted while the front one are simple aise hi airpress bhi

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    added today


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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    added today


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    question from huzaifa and ahmed

    regarding city 2009 onwards

    its average on CNG and Petrol? for both Manual and automatic?

    any idea regarding price for Lahore registered 2009 - 2010 model.

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    usman bhai dont know about auto but kept 2 manuals
    cars is fun to drive plus more economical then idsi n will never feel u bore even after steermatic n civic
    on cng per cylinder near 200km easily
    with ac 180 round about
    not calculated on petrol
    in isb 2009 is from 1275 to 1325 depending upon condition alloys n cng doesnt matters alot
    n 2010 is from 1350 to 14 in isb
    i sell 09 city of my relative(she was 1st owner) for 1325 full stock car nothing wad added not even security system no cng no rims even tyres were stock
    small dents on trunk but still in original paint 42k driven
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    usman bhai dont know about auto but kept 2 manuals
    cars is fun to drive plus more economical then idsi n will never feel u bore even after steermatic n civic
    on cng per cylinder near 200km easily
    with ac 180 round about
    not calculated on petrol
    in isb 2009 is from 1275 to 1325 depending upon condition alloys n cng doesnt matters alot
    n 2010 is from 1350 to 14 in isb
    i sell 09 city of my relative(she was 1st owner) for 1325 full stock car nothing wad added not even security system no cng no rims even tyres were stock
    small dents on trunk but still in original paint 42k driven
    oh great...200KM per cylinder ..awesome mileage.
    But I will prefer Auto with CNG ...my knee gonna hurt on manual ..thats y I sold my GLI.

    btw I hope there is no issue with auto transmission on CNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaggi View Post
    question from huzaifa and ahmed

    regarding city 2009 onwards

    its average on CNG and Petrol? for both Manual and automatic?

    any idea regarding price for Lahore registered 2009 - 2010 model.
    mine and mum's city is on petrol, both are manual.
    i mostly drive it on mall road it give me 14.5 without ac and 13-13.5 with ac,
    on ring road it give me 18.5 to 19

    my mum's city is 2010 model total genuine bumper to bumper, 15s alloy rims. it was 20k driven when we got it. paid 13.60 lacks for it

    mine is 2011, only 8.5k driven, i got it for 14.40 lacks, it was all stock ( got it from relative on the market rate , dealers were giving 14.25 to 14.40 lacks for it)
    if he had sold it dealer at 14.40 lacks then dealer would ve sold it for atleast 14.75 lacks, because dealers keeps atleast 35-50k profit on their investment

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    ^thanx for the reply a1ms

    petrol avg is good ..wow
    but I'll still prefer one with CNG installed. my daily drive is above 120+KM

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaggi View Post
    ^thanx for the reply a1ms

    petrol avg is good ..wow
    but I'll still prefer one with CNG installed. my daily drive is above 120+KM
    welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    @ ahmed,

    after experiencing the amazing effects of Liqui Moly fuel injectors cleaner, today i decided to try their engine cleaner solution and then i had the discussion with the owner of the agency(he was a very technical guy and when i say that, it means technical) he convinced me on some point, most strong point was about the use of their engine oil. There are 2 variants at the moment

    1) 5w40 (Fully synthectic) cost is 4200 PKR for 4 litres and drain interval is unbeleivable yeah its 20000km yes 20 thousand Km

    2) 10W40(semi synthectic) cost is 3300 PKR for 4 litres and drain interval is 10000km yup 10 thousand km

    At that time i had already bought HONDA geuine oil so after engine cleaning, i put that and planning to use next time Liqui Moly


    BTW, LIQUI MOLY engine cleaner price is 450 PKR....
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    these seems to be great oils. but according to my info even the best oil filters in the market dnt go above 5000 kms. so how will this work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a1ms View Post
    mine and mum's city is on petrol, both are manual.
    i mostly drive it on mall road it give me 14.5 without ac and 13-13.5 with ac,
    on ring road it give me 18.5 to 19

    my mum's city is 2010 model total genuine bumper to bumper, 15s alloy rims. it was 20k driven when we got it. paid 13.60 lacks for it

    mine is 2011, only 8.5k driven, i got it for 14.40 lacks, it was all stock ( got it from relative on the market rate , dealers were giving 14.25 to 14.40 lacks for it)
    if he had sold it dealer at 14.40 lacks then dealer would ve sold it for atleast 14.75 lacks, because dealers keeps atleast 35-50k profit on their investment


    Lucky guy!!! My car gives 8.5-9 with full time a/c and around 10 -10.5 w/o a.c. I thought it was due to my 205/60/16 tyrs..... Changed to 195/60/15 but same average....mine is auto but every 1 is getting good mileage...maybe i got a faulty unit


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    Quote Originally Posted by kasaas View Post
    Lucky guy!!! My car gives 8.5-9 with full time a/c and around 10 -10.5 w/o a.c. I thought it was due to my 205/60/16 tyrs..... Changed to 195/60/15 but same average....mine is auto but every 1 is getting good mileage...maybe i got a faulty unit


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    my car is currently on 195/55/r16. whats the odo reading of your car ? if it is less then 5k then dont worry you will get better mileage after 10k. and if it above 10k then get it checked by honda 3s. mileage also depend on the driving style

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