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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Waisay Fahad I am myself begining to doubt the authenticity of the oil you are using....yar mana keh thora sa difference parta hai...lekin itna bhi nahin keh gari hi mar jaye...maybe a km or two, but def def not the earth an the moon! The way yer puttin it, lagta hai 1 litre engine say swap ho gaya hai aap ka! Ive used two Liqui Molly prods, an yes I have felt a difference, maybe my cars hasnt become a turbocharged monster, but heck yes the engine has become quieter and a notch bit more responsive....have a little check up on the oil, go to some other shops and try to find differences in the packing or pricing...look at stamps on various places......gather some intel on the repute of the shop....do some homework boy! Baki danday lay kar phonchna humara kaam mera bhai......I`m a very thanda banda by nature, but aise harkatain are my trigger....just as a recommendation.....use a good oil flush when you drain this liqui molly oil....dont want to leave any deposits in there now do we ??
    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    seems like liqui moly jammed ur engine.

    are u sure wo ASLI Liqui moly tha? I doubt that bro.

    well, given the results reported by Fahad bhai, this is the first thing that HAS to come in everyones mind... but u guys would agree that a company's agency/controlled outlet itself wont be selling counterfeit products... these outlets are the very places through which liqui moly is gonna gain customers.
    Im certainly not an expert when it comes to oil but i think, having a german origin, liqui moly synthetic might be a bit 'heavy' or 'thick' for it to be used in supercharged bmws n mercs which would be driven on the autobahn at 155mph plus (this is totally my own opinion, and can be stupid too ) thats why, the oil might not be suitable for tiny 1.3l engines...

    what do u guys say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    Another thing is that the amount of homework which i do is i m sure only some ppl can do....... Ahmed knows about this ... So, chill and relax.... All is well that ends well and plz clear this confusion that i m only talking about LIQUI MOLY FULLY SYNTHETIC 5W-40 OIL particular product is pathetic, i never asked LIQUI MOLY is pathetic. I previously also used i think first one may be to try injector cleaner and engine flush....

    Ahmed ab tou bol yaar bhai ki izzat ka sawal hay , waisay Ahmed is not feeling well so lets wish him GET WELL SOON...
    There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that you do a hell lot of homework before trying a new product.
    The best thing about you, Fahad bhai, is that you NEVER even talk about/ mention a particular product unless you have tried and tested it PROPERLY and you are 100% sure about the results.
    This is why u used liqui moly oil for 1600kms, which means more then 2 complete fuel tanks, so that if any other factors had played their role, it would be omitted the second time...

    The thing i ve learned from Fahad bhai's experience is that engine oil has more effect on the engine's performance then most of us think ... this is why one should do proper research before deciding what engine oil to use for his/her particular car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    To cut the long story short, previously i have used rather recommended LIQUI MOLY FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER and LIQUI MOLY ENGINE FLUSH, and their results are awesome. U can scroll some 50 pages back and see my recommendations but this specific 5W-40 FULLY SYNTHETIC is something out of this world. All i can say is ppl just talk and talk and talk without any experience but i have the experience so, it wud be much better first experience and then suggest.
    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    Another thing is that the amount of homework which i do is i m sure only some ppl can do....... Ahmed knows about this ... So, chill and relax.... All is well that ends well and plz clear this confusion that i m only talking about LIQUI MOLY FULLY SYNTHETIC 5W-40 OIL particular product is pathetic, i never asked LIQUI MOLY is pathetic. I previously also used i think first one may be to try injector cleaner and engine flush....

    Ahmed ab tou bol yaar bhai ki izzat ka sawal hay , waisay Ahmed is not feeling well so lets wish him GET WELL SOON...

    Acha pyaray bhai, yar garmi ka mausam agaya hai, lekin itna bhi nahin aya I think you saw the half glass empty scenario rather than the half glass full one....as far as my talking goes....I have tested oils upto 0W-30 in my Idsi, (Zic Yellow Fully Synthetic), I previously was using Honda Genuine Synthetic Oil made by Total with a rating on 5W-30 as well, and for the last many years its been Mobil One Fully Synthetic.....though the first couple of changes were on Genuine Honda Mineral Oil.......now in all these oil swaps I havent felt such drastic changes as you have mentioned.....that the engine wouldnt budge over a certain limit, etc.....as per my naakis ilam, oils should not induce such vast behaviour differences in an engine.......but maybe I might be wrong....doosri baat, liqui molly meray dil mai koi khaas jaga nahin rakhta, over here what I wanted to say was that I have tested two of their prods, an they were ok, thus I was expecting the oil to have decent results as well.....I mean they arent a new company, they have considerable repute.....it doesnt seem right that their oil messed up so badly! Innit? Aur meri jan, yahan izzat baisti ka kiya sawal hai ? Nothin personal meray bhai, all here to share experiences an learn from them.....thora wada ho jaa yar! Its a forum to have discussions, be a bit more inviting to different aspects! I appreciate the PM you just sent....but no need bro.....bhalla itni si baat ka menay kiya ghussa karna ?
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    the thing which i previously experienced only once in 4 yrs is troubling me continously since today morning...... Its knocking ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Acha pyaray bhai, yar garmi ka mausam agaya hai, lekin itna bhi nahin aya I think you saw the half glass empty scenario rather than the half glass full one....as far as my talking goes....I have tested oils upto 0W-30 in my Idsi, (Zic Yellow Fully Synthetic), I previously was using Honda Genuine Synthetic Oil made by Total with a rating on 5W-30 as well, and for the last many years its been Mobil One Fully Synthetic.....though the first couple of changes were on Genuine Honda Mineral Oil.......now in all these oil swaps I havent felt such drastic changes as you have mentioned.....that the engine wouldnt budge over a certain limit, etc.....as per my naakis ilam, oils should not induce such vast behaviour differences in an engine.......but maybe I might be wrong....doosri baat, liqui molly meray dil mai koi khaas jaga nahin rakhta, over here what I wanted to say was that I have tested two of their prods, an they were ok, thus I was expecting the oil to have decent results as well.....I mean they arent a new company, they have considerable repute.....it doesnt seem right that their oil messed up so badly! Innit? Aur meri jan, yahan izzat baisti ka kiya sawal hai ? Nothin personal meray bhai, all here to share experiences an learn from them.....thora wada ho jaa yar! Its a forum to have discussions, be a bit more inviting to different aspects! I appreciate the PM you just sent....but no need bro.....bhalla itni si baat ka menay kiya ghussa karna ?
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    engine oil is the primary factor to drive a car and above all other factors. If ur oil not good enough u can never acheive excellence . My standards r above normal n i m obssessive ab my car nileage. When i say it mens 20kmpl, so i guess it is beyond normal ,,, and to avheive excellence sometimes u need sacrifices n to pay the price for excellence
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    have any of u guys tried Petromin Ultra 7 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
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    @fahad reloaded.. me needs some help understanding the oil gradings.. you've recently done the research.. can u guide me wat the oil gradings mean?
    5w-40 means wat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tilsim View Post
    @fahad reloaded.. me needs some help understanding the oil gradings.. you've recently done the research.. can u guide me wat the oil gradings mean?
    5w-40 means wat?
    +1
    i also need to know what EXACTLY those grades mean... specially the API SM SL etc part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    have any of u guys tried Petromin Ultra 7 ?
    yap i ve tried it
    its better than caltex n other local engine oils
    but now its discontinued in lhr so shifted to Caltex again
    Engine noise reduces to some extend pick and milage increases too
    do flush it first if u using any synthetic oil
    or reduce milage on its ist change.
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    ^^

    Y U no google for grading learning

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    need a break... Will b back may b after 1-2 days, too much furstrated by my work load n liqui moly too. Last 2 weeks, i only slept 3-4 hrs per day and 20 hrs work per day. So im going for a break now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    need a break... Will b back may b after 1-2 days, too much furstrated by my work load n liqui moly too. Last 2 weeks, i only slept 3-4 hrs per day and 20 hrs work per day. So im going for a break now...
    take it easy Fahad bhai, its over... Liqui moly is... GONEEEE....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    need a break... Will b back may b after 1-2 days, too much furstrated by my work load n liqui moly too. Last 2 weeks, i only slept 3-4 hrs per day and 20 hrs work per day. So im going for a break now...
    bhai 4000 k peechay zindagi azab ker li he aap ne? aao mere se aa k le jao 4k.. but relax..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ^^

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    google uncle bohot technical baatain kartay hain, apni samjh say bahar
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    oki.. and about the grading.. if u had searched it'd have taken u two mins to type wat i am typing right now.. the digit before W is the viscosity of oil at cold temperatures (like morning start-up).. and the digit after W is the viscosity once the engine warms up.. no big deal about it.. now bigger the numbers the thicker the oil.. if u had done any research u'd have known the 40 viscosity grade is not needed for city etc.. our local cars require viscosity up to 30 as standard.. 40 is not good for them as its thicker..
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    and further... the response u mentioned of ur engine is not the response any engine would give on usage of any brand oil.. hardlllllly happens even if u use engine oil built for diesel engines on a petrol engine.. it never happens so that the moment u pour the oil in and car slums down.. something else must've gone wrong.. the oil must not be original or anything.. by all means wat u said is not possible.. talking logic here..
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    Quote Originally Posted by tilsim View Post
    bhai 4000 k peechay zindagi azab ker li he aap ne? aao mere se aa k le jao 4k.. but relax..
    Allah ka bara karam hy bhai i can afford it, its not ab 4000. Money doesnt matter, technology does. Kisi ka mou band kerna hy Ahmed knows.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    Allah ka bara karam hy bhai i can afford it, its not ab 4000. Money doesnt matter, technology does. Kisi ka mou band kerna hy Ahmed knows.....
    Ghusa janay dain Fahad bhai...
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