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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Default Whisling sound form engine bay

    I am listening a whistling sound from the engine bay.
    I have changed the belt and adjust bearing but the sound is still there
    Also removed the belt and started the engine but the sound was still there

    Can any expert here, help me find out the where is annoying sound comes from
    as i guess it any vacuum leak from the below mentioned area
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    Quote Originally Posted by libra24 View Post
    Yup i felt it while driving on Peshwar motorway , it felt like car is going one side and then going to other.
    at that time i had stock tyres, i replaced the tyres with Michelin Tyres and this issue was gone.
    Okay now there are two poeple claiming the issue (including me). Plus we also have the following forum where fit indicates such symptoms.

    Steering flaw: no self-centering - Unofficial Honda FIT Forums

    Anybody else felt the same way??
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    going for a small adventure....will be back by 8th June 2012.... then update the forum
    Best of Luck!

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    A message from @fahad_reloaded bhai after he safely reach naraan..

    "Do not attempt to arrive here in a low ground clearance car, in-case you do, bring in an extra set of suspension and everything below the car as you're gonna hug the road (if any) most of the time"

    Are we clear?

    Fahad bhai, gr8 work conquering the glaciers and mountains all the way... we here, are waiting for some pix of all the ice n stuff...
    (47 degree in Sargodha, today)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    A message from @fahad_reloaded bhai after he safely reach naraan..

    "Do not attempt to arrive here in a low ground clearance car, in-case you do, bring in an extra set of suspension and everything below the car as you're gonna hug the road (if any) most of the time"

    Are we clear?

    Fahad bhai, gr8 work conquering the glaciers and mountains all the way... we here, are waiting for some pix of all the ice n stuff...
    (47 degree in Sargodha, today)
    well captaan sb, msg received and acknowledged. Btw, I took my city to kaghan/naraan with 175/70/R13 tyres in 2008 and 2010.


    never been an issue for me. one just has to be careful on the asphalt less barren patches.

    both of the times, when I came back, my city sounded like a lamborghini due to the dholki hitting big rocks and getting torn.


    Yesterday, passed a speedbreaker at 20 kph, was racing, didn't realize there was one, car hit it hard, AND AGAIN, sounds like a lamborghini. VROOM
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Okay now there are two poeple claiming the issue (including me). Plus we also have the following forum where fit indicates such symptoms.

    Steering flaw: no self-centering - Unofficial Honda FIT Forums

    Anybody else felt the same way??
    yaar have u read all the replies under this forum link u posted? A guy has posted the concept of "tight" and "loose" steering, I think the same about ur car.

    Btw, did u try getting the chimtaas checked? Tyre pressures? if may be the tyres have deshaped?

    guess u can't possibly make the steering wheel come closer to you cz our city doesnot have the telescopic option.

    Quote Originally Posted by TarY View Post
    I am listening a whistling sound from the engine bay.
    I have changed the belt and adjust bearing but the sound is still there
    Also removed the belt and started the engine but the sound was still there

    Can any expert here, help me find out the where is annoying sound comes from
    as i guess it any vacuum leak from the below mentioned area
    Honda City Fan Club - 413710
    hmmm, well bro there is no such thing as a vaccum leak, without any apparent reason. Has ur engine block ever been opened? I mean the gasket thing? have u experienced an engine heat up issue recently?

    If all of the above is NO, then the issue is with some ball bearing in ur car's engine. do try putting some good deal of grease under the charging belt. \

    And donot tell me that ur car has lost the engine protection shield, present underneath the engine bay. Cz with out that, mud tends to stick to the generator rotary and makes it produce a squeaky whizz sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    well captaan sb, msg received and acknowledged. Btw, I took my city to kaghan/naraan with 175/70/R13 tyres in 2008 and 2010.


    never been an issue for me. one just has to be careful on the asphalt less barren patches.

    both of the times, when I came back, my city sounded like a lamborghini due to the dholki hitting big rocks and getting torn.


    Yesterday, passed a speedbreaker at 20 kph, was racing, didn't realize there was one, car hit it hard, AND AGAIN, sounds like a lamborghini. VROOM
    The roads in Naran are in bad shape now as compared to 2010 due to massive flooding in 2010. But I think its better to take a high clearance car with you because god forbid if some thing hits engine there and there is some leakage than we can not find any mechanic for the car so its better to take high clearance vehicle like jeep with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    going for a small adventure....will be back by 8th June 2012.... then update the forum
    waiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    well captaan sb, msg received and acknowledged. Btw, I took my city to kaghan/naraan with 175/70/R13 tyres in 2008 and 2010.


    never been an issue for me. one just has to be careful on the asphalt less barren patches.

    both of the times, when I came back, my city sounded like a lamborghini due to the dholki hitting big rocks and getting torn.


    Yesterday, passed a speedbreaker at 20 kph, was racing, didn't realize there was one, car hit it hard, AND AGAIN, sounds like a lamborghini. VROOM
    VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...................
    reminded me of my city, my car was lifted up by car lifter dont know why from the parking of islamabad international on see off ocassion of my parents to hajj last year, 1432 hijri, first when i didnt find my car on the spot i parked, it was the moment when i realized what that proverb in urdu means " pairon k neche se zameen nikl jana" well was able to control myself and figured everything out but when lifter pa ji was picking up my car from foot path he banged forks into the piping and it being in fragile state already punctured it, he placed car down and when i tuned the ignition key immediately i went like pressed the pedal and more , and for next 35 or so days i drove her like it and really enjoyed the sound, it was not insanely loud and be hangam but a good vroommmmmmm, only got pipe welded couple of days before parents returning or else abba jan ne airport par hi class le leni thee

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post

    hmmm, well bro there is no such thing as a vaccum leak, without any apparent reason. Has ur engine block ever been opened? I mean the gasket thing? have u experienced an engine heat up issue recently?

    If all of the above is NO, then the issue is with some ball bearing in ur car's engine. do try putting some good deal of grease under the charging belt. \

    And donot tell me that ur car has lost the engine protection shield, present underneath the engine bay. Cz with out that, mud tends to stick to the generator rotary and makes it produce a squeaky whizz sound.

    I have the protection shield installed and it is in good conditon

    No heating up issues also no reduction in water storage tank for radiotor
    Put 50 - 100 ml in a month or more in it also regularly change coolant after 6 months

    Also removed the belt and started the engine but sound is still there
    So not the issue of dry belt also

    Yesterday went to Rahimyar Khan and was back today 6am with full time AC on with 3 persons. It was approximately 1200 kms drive with no issue. Went on petrol and back on CNG. Not a single issue except that whistling sound which comes in idling AC on. Not loud but one can listen standing nearby

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarY View Post
    I have the protection shield installed and it is in good conditon

    No heating up issues also no reduction in water storage tank for radiotor
    Put 50 - 100 ml in a month or more in it also regularly change coolant after 6 months

    Also removed the belt and started the engine but sound is still there
    So not the issue of dry belt also

    Yesterday went to Rahimyar Khan and was back today 6am with full time AC on with 3 persons. It was approximately 1200 kms drive with no issue. Went on petrol and back on CNG. Not a single issue except that whistling sound which comes in idling AC on. Not loud but one can listen standing nearby
    hmmm. As yer saying that no issues have een there with ur car, I think we can safely assume there is no vacuum leak.

    BUT, do mention if u feel ur car a bit underpowered in any way. there could be another issue, like valve seal damage with ur car. Symptoms are dropping rpms, unstable idling, underpowered drive, when one releases the clutch, the rpms drop but the car barely moves.

    do you hear the sound ONLY with AC on? If yes, then u probably need a new AC clutch bearing. Its life is done.

    If no, then, well, can u make a video of that sound? so that the vague idea so far becomes clear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post

    BUT, do mention if u feel ur car a bit underpowered in any way. there could be another issue, like valve seal damage with ur car. Symptoms are dropping rpms, unstable idling, underpowered drive, when one releases the clutch, the rpms drop but the car barely moves.


    If no, then, well, can u make a video of that sound? so that the vague idea so far becomes clear?
    One thing which I noticed is that while driving on petro especially on third gear i notice a little jhatka and nothing else noticed
    rpm on idling are stable but when the AC starts along with the both fans i see a little fluctuation in rpm. other wise stable.
    Will try to make a video in morning or at night with less atmosphere noice. and will post it.

    Special Thanx for your kind help so Far. Learned a lot from YOU (Seniors)
    "How to treat with our Rides?" or " How our Rides should be treated?"

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    aoa.
    by the grace of Allah Almighty i have finally been delivered with my new city over the weekend. here are the pics

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/coo...or-interior-37

    now the question arises in mind how to go abt cleaning the car. i dont want to get it cleaned by the service station guys as they use weird dirty cloths and wash the body with the same cloth with which they wash the tyres and all. i wud prefer doing it by my own hands. so please guide me how to go abt it. i m not too much of a detailing freak. just wanna ask wat is the procedure i shud follow, and specially pplease guide me abt cleaning the engine bay (the degreasing stuff and all). thanks

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    countdown begins....some pics expected tonite
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    well captaan sb, msg received and acknowledged. Btw, I took my city to kaghan/naraan with 175/70/R13 tyres in 2008 and 2010.


    never been an issue for me. one just has to be careful on the asphalt less barren patches.

    both of the times, when I came back, my city sounded like a lamborghini due to the dholki hitting big rocks and getting torn.


    Yesterday, passed a speedbreaker at 20 kph, was racing, didn't realize there was one, car hit it hard, AND AGAIN, sounds like a lamborghini. VROOM
    Na mera bhraa... This year roads, sorry i take my words back there is nothing which can be called a road from kaghan to naran. 25 km before naran, crazy drive ......
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Glacier was cut thru some 500 m before Naran and the cars were going thru the stones kept across the ice freezing water..... The temp was in minus there...... and there was no road rather 1.5 feet depth which was managed by kept the big rocks ....it was the biggest driving moment of my life.....how to keep both the tyres exactly on the rocks
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    Hello all,
    I am planning to buy a used 2010 or 2011 honda city on cng.Seeking a car with mileage around 20,000 kms...I have a few questions...I started a new thread aswell,but oh well...

    -What is the main difference between 2010 and 2011 model city,kindly list all the differences with regards to interior,exterior etc

    -What is the normal petrol and cng average of 2010,2011 city.

    -what should be the proper market price at this moment of manual and automatic 2010 and 2011 city.

    -Finally i want to ask that if i want to run the city on cng should i go for automatic or manual city...

    -I want to buy this car for my family, so fuel,cng economy is what i am looking for and that is why i need advice whether to buy auto or manual....


    If someone who owns a 2010,2011 city would be kind enough to answer all my questions i'd really appreciate that...

    Regards

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    My budget is around 1350000 with cng kit already installed, which would be ideal. the max i can go is 1375000

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    Quote Originally Posted by simalik View Post
    My budget is around 1350000 with cng kit already installed, which would be ideal. the max i can go is 1375000
    2011 is toally out of ur budget n 2010 will be petrol luckily u will get cng 2010 in this budget
    some minor diff like trunk lite exaust finisher arm rest in rear seat center console
    ad if i miss n e

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    what is the budget for less mileage,good condition 2011 cng fitted city?

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