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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    dude, have no idea. Honda people say so, but as for the differences in drive, only a person who has used the previous city on AT and now has upgraded to prosmatec version, can tell you in detail.

    Frankly, I was expecting something like CVT with 1.5L engine in new city but honda has disappointed me big time.
    Thanks for the reply,thats what i think that one needs to drive both autos (prosmatec and non prosmatec) to conclude if the transmission feels any different (testing being the only solution).I can't digest how is possible they changed/tweaked the transmission without increasing the cost comparing to non prosmatec transmission.

    For the next part,i wished the CVT too but we people need small displacement fuel efficient engines in hatchbacks under the 10 laks range.I think 800/1000 cc ivetc/avtev good looking hatchback under ten lacks is what i have been looking for
    or dual vvti/valvematic 1.0 l hatch under 10 lackhs
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    some miracle by paksuzuki
    with no petrol/CNG we dont need cars,we need hybrid bicycles
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    fuel guage is working, any guesses ab average...Honda City Fan Club -416487
    Dont compromise on tyres,since they are yours only contact with the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.S.N View Post
    Hello guys
    Can anyone tell me whether the new city got any real changes in transmission rather than by looking at sticker.I may be wrong but how to verify that the transmission has actually changed from previous models.
    The inner lever looks are same.
    The gearbox seems to be same.
    The price difference is the same.
    I Cannot tell without looking at the sticker back,I hope someone can answer
    Honda waloon say sawal karoo :

    Why why Why more than 10 years old prosmatic technology in 2012-13 , why not why not CVT gear box & 1.5 engine if its a upgrade..

    prosmatic is so lethargic & slow in response that I even give gap & gap and gap to 1.5EXI pros & 1.6VTI pros with my steermatic & one of the reason is that I have CVT in my steermatic

    honda waloo1.3 ko prosmatic gear box day rahay hoo ALLAHA ka Naam loo kyun Hum loogoon ko pagal bana rahay hooo ,,,, Or Afsos hum ban rahay hainn
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    I dont know but still unable to grab the point that why you people are so much concerned for 1.5l engine in city.Its the standard in most of countries but you have to consider the road conditions.1.5 may give more economy on highways but mostly not applicable in pakistan where above 70% of the time you are driving under the 60 mark and worst now a days.
    If you want power and not worried about fuel/maintenance costs than go for civic.
    For me fuel is an important factor and with the CNG seems depleting so the only fuel left is petrol that car can run on (LPG will still take time to settle)

    Why not consider a 1.0l advanced hatchback with economy better than current city (and getting rid of CNG) unless you dont need a boot everyday or you drive above 80 everyday.

    I think its time to start thinking in terms of fuel costs than power.If thats not the case then you would have never seen a cng cylinder in every vehicle be it civic or city or any other car.

    Most People having civic enjoys the power and economy without much compromise on CNG but iam quite sure that its not the case if driven on petrol only.(how many civic owners do you know riding their car on only petrol for long (more than 3 years)

    A long discussion,but the question is do you want power(>1.3l) or economy(<1.3l) for next honda car,so lets vote for it...Poll
    reply with "P" if you prefer power (>1.3l engine) or "E" if you prefer economy (<1.3l) and will keep track for number of P's and E's
    or you can start a new thread for polling if it doesn't exist already

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahad_reloaded View Post
    fuel guage is working, any guesses ab average...Honda City Fan Club - 416487
    last year when i reached naran, i had similar situation, the gauge was showing full, i thought it had gone faulty, so i put some more fuel in it. I was switching b/w cng and petrol during journey.

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    salam all..actually im going to buy city 09 model very soon INSHALLAH and im concerned abt its mileage...as my daily mileage is bit high like 100km daily so i need to run that car on cng..so my question is how does this car performs on cng and which cng setup is best for better mileage..your valuable comments are highly needed in this regard....for how much i can get a neat nd clean car with very less mileage on the odo??????

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    Dear All,

    Salamz,

    Have seen first City Aspire on Karachi roads last Saturday.

    The difference mentioned in my post earlier are summarized again City 2011 VS Aspire:-

    1. Navigation System.
    2. Rear View Camera.
    3. Metal Silencer Cover.
    4. Back seats Hand Rest.
    5. Indicator on Side Mirrors.
    6. DVD Player with Rear Speakers.
    7. Alloy Rims.
    8. Aspire Tag

    I consider it on much higher side & to me there is no need to invest more for this because you will not get this money on resale.
    My Honda dealer confirmed me that existing owners were given option to convert their bookings to Aspire by paying additional amount but 1 out of 100 opted for this.
    New orders placed are 30% for Aspire while 70% for existing shape.
    I haven't seen personally the new aspire but based on my research & feedback from peer group I consider not to change/ upgrade my model of 2010 bcoz it will not fetch me any good deal plus have to bear additional 3.5 lacs.
    Will second Accord 7362 on his post.
    By the way new Civic is gonna launch in September with starting price tag of 23 lacs for fully loaded version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon47 View Post
    salam all..actually im going to buy city 09 model very soon INSHALLAH and im concerned abt its mileage...as my daily mileage is bit high like 100km daily so i need to run that car on cng..so my question is how does this car performs on cng and which cng setup is best for better mileage..your valuable comments are highly needed in this regard....for how much i can get a neat nd clean car with very less mileage on the odo??????
    dude, here are the answers:

    -its mileage is excellent, both on cng and petrol. Will surely give u around 200 kms in a fill if properly kept and maintained.

    -If the car has some minor issues like missing or rpm drops etc, just go to honda 3s and get the ECU reprogrammed. Everything will become perfect.

    -with around 20k on the ODO, the car will cost u around 1350k-1400k, provided its exceptionally clean and well maintained.
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    Thanks for the valuable comments bro. If its giving u 200km then its exceptionally good mileage. Ill try to get my hands on a clean city in town.



    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    dude, here are the answers:

    -its mileage is excellent, both on cng and petrol. Will surely give u around 200 kms in a fill if properly kept and maintained.

    -If the car has some minor issues like missing or rpm drops etc, just go to honda 3s and get the ECU reprogrammed. Everything will become perfect.

    -with around 20k on the ODO, the car will cost u around 1350k-1400k, provided its exceptionally clean and well maintained.

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    Hi City Fan Club..

    Hope everyones doing fine in their Citys.. Well I am looking for Steermatic's rims, anyone selling? Or anyone knows anyone who is selling? I can also exchange them with mine if you're tired of your rims..

    Give me a buzz if you are!

    Cheers
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    Hello everyone...
    today morning my car achieve 100k mark on odo. and its check engine light lights up. i have checked it both on petrol n cng but light keeps onn... car is running as it was before... my office is 18km from home.. i didnt feel any slightest change in car behaviour...car is 2006 idsi manual... is 2006 model equiped with self warning indication of 100k maintenance. or there is something else malfuctions in it...... warning light is not blinking... plz advice ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    Hello everyone...
    today morning my car achieve 100k mark on odo. and its check engine light lights up. i have checked it both on petrol n cng but light keeps onn... car is running as it was before... my office is 18km from home.. i didnt feel any slightest change in car behaviour...car is 2006 idsi manual... is 2006 model equiped with self warning indication of 100k maintenance. or there is something else malfuctions in it...... warning light is not blinking... plz advice ...
    Mabrook dude. As for the check engine light, it could be anything.

    Check out the air filter. Clean it, if no luck, take the car to honda 3s. Get the full 100k maintenance done, it'll go away.
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    I own a Honda City Vario 2006. About two weeks back my car AC stopped working. The mechanic just changed one of the fuses and the AC was fine again. Yesterday aftersome jerks again the AC went off. Moreover, hot temperature light also blinked say for a minute or two than it switched off. Plain water in radiator attached water bottle was added once or twice

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    Quote Originally Posted by maq73 View Post
    I own a Honda City Vario 2006. About two weeks back my car AC stopped working. The mechanic just changed one of the fuses and the AC was fine again. Yesterday aftersome jerks again the AC went off. Moreover, hot temperature light also blinked say for a minute or two than it switched off. Plain water in radiator attached water bottle was added once or twice
    your engine got heated up sir. Immediately add some good quaility coolant and get it checked by an expert mechanic, not just any USTAAD who bypasses the relay that automatically switches the AC off in case of an over heated engine.

    The ac switched off due to engine temperature. Nothing else.

    Get ur car's engine cooling system checked immediately.

    Change ur engine oil to a good quality one, like Mobil1 fully sythetic or havoline formula. Its summer and the best oil for u is 5w/30 or 5w/40.

    DO NOT use any thicker oil in ur engine.
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    I just purchased my city 2004 a week ago. Its also having EPS.
    But i am facing a problem. whenever i push accelator in 2nd gear or 3rd or 4th its starting jatka's. jhatkay marny start ker deti hai. but when i push acceletor slowly it becomes normal driving.

    But it not happens on speed like 100 or 120km/h.

    Please tell me what will be the cause???


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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    Hello everyone...
    today morning my car achieve 100k mark on odo. and its check engine light lights up. i have checked it both on petrol n cng but light keeps onn... car is running as it was before... my office is 18km from home.. i didnt feel any slightest change in car behaviour...car is 2006 idsi manual... is 2006 model equiped with self warning indication of 100k maintenance. or there is something else malfuctions in it...... warning light is not blinking... plz advice ...
    Remove battery terminals wait for 10 mins , put them again & wait for two minutes and chk for light

    good luck
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    Dear Members,

    I have been through much experiences in my life and would like to share the best Moral of Life :-

    There are FEW THINGS in life which money can't buy for everything else there is MASTER CARD. (International slogan of Master Card).

    I summarize the problem with ourselves is that we are after getting that MASTER CARD leaving behing those FEW THINGS.

    Those FEW THINGS include (Religion, Family, Values etc).

    At the end of CHASE we are left empty handed i.e. In the CHASE we forget those FEW THINGS and end up loosing that MASTER CARD too.

    So try to run for those FEW THINGS rather getting MASTER CARD.

    Hope some of you understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonjee View Post
    Hi City Fan Club..

    Hope everyones doing fine in their Citys.. Well I am looking for Steermatic's rims, anyone selling? Or anyone knows anyone who is selling? I can also exchange them with mine if you're tired of your rims..

    Give me a buzz if you are!

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    hahahahah not a easy job sir ji
    but 1 bat ni pata chali aj kal har koi steermatic k rims k pechy q bhag raha ha
    btw good luckk paa ji

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