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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    There has never been a cabin air filter in any Honda since as far as i remember, atleast all the cars from 2001 onwards. dont know the reason i dont think its cost saving as the cost of filters would be immaterial. may be the filter reduces the a/c "throw"
    ahmad bhai last evening i installed this filter in my city, well i notice very minor air flow reduction but i think its good for long life of ac.
    honda 3s dealers selling @rs1000 where as i sorced from montgomri road lahore make denso @rs450 both are same quality chinese made just packing differnce
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    ahmad bhai, i never ever took away any honda car from showroom unless they installed the filter in front of my eyes. Its NEVER been there in any car I got, 2002 civic, 2003 idsi, 2006 vti oriel, 2007 reborn ivtec, 2010 reborn vti oriel and now this city 2012.

    Ur city was a surprise, otherwise we would've surely advised you to get it installed the moment they hand over it to you. get it installed asap from a honda pit stop as its summer and AC use is must.
    fawad bhai beshak mushware main berkat hoti hai yesterday i installed this filter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    ohh realy they dont have trunk light ?? God its so simple and necessery thing hehe, well in my corolla they have installed cabin air filter and even trunk light, i will check my city for trunk light
    current booking price of city base modal is rs1488,000 and hopefully revise them once facelift shape wil launch soon
    bhai jaan, aapki city me hai trunk light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    chalo ji maan lete hain, ab aap bhi maan lein k kissi churail k saath aap ki dosti ho gaye hai, itne ghair hazri ki koi aur waja mujhee nazar nahi aate


    waise searched few fourms and blower too trips on heat up as suspected by me.
    hahahaha... Sir jee hum tou dua-go hain k koe churail humain takar jae aap he kuch madad kar dain

    as for the blower, get its motor checked, i think its heating up more then usual...
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmaar View Post
    I'll get my new Honda City within running month of July. Hope it will work as good as I read in the Fan Club Pages.
    A good informative and associative thread with nice sharing of details.
    Great!! the fan club is waiting to congratulate you on ur purchase do let us know the specs of ur car and show us the pictures...
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    @kaaptaan

    me sitting at moazzam office right now, aqeel is also with me and saturday next is confirmed from all our side, make the move man

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    Quote Originally Posted by merych View Post
    My city idsi 2007 is driven 106k. The problem is, it is badly missing on cng and stalls when brake is applied. While its fine on petrol. The cng mechanic says that its igition coils (3 front and 2 at back) are not in good condition and they are leaking current. So they need to be replaced. Should I change them? Its throttle body is already serviced.
    how exactly did ur mechanic check the coils? i highly doubt ur mechanic's statement. first off, if they are leaking, they would leak on petrol as well as cng. secondly, it would not cause missing, when the coils leak current, one or several of ur plugs dont get current and hence no ignition. when theres no ignition, those particular cylinders dont make any power for u and because the air fuel mixture is not burnt (its called misfire) , when the cylinder comes back up it pushes the mixture out of the INTAKE valves , if this happens, you ll hear a loud bang from ur air intake and the force is enough to break ur intake manifold or atleast crack it if its made of plastic. after a second or so, ur car will behave normally and after some time this would happen again. but this is not contineous.

    Secondly, its highly unlikely that the front ones are leaking any current, they are toooo thick to leak any current. my mechanic says he has replaced hundreds of rear coils of city idsi but not even one front coils of any car. plus, at just 106k kms, its highly unlikely that ur coils will be dead unless u got water in the or sumthing. (if u bought ur car 2nd hand, may be the meter is tempered)

    i'd strongly recommend u to go to some other mechanic and just tell him to increase the idle speed of ur engine from ur cng kit. that ll fix the issue hopefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    @kaaptaan

    me sitting at moazzam office right now, aqeel is also with me and saturday next is confirmed from all our side, make the move man
    Roger that sir ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Roger that sir ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    ahmad bhai last evening i installed this filter in my city, well i notice very minor air flow reduction but i think its good for long life of ac.
    honda 3s dealers selling @rs1000 where as i sorced from montgomri road lahore make denso @rs450 both are same quality chinese made just packing differnce
    oh gud... now i hope the dust n bad odor wont enter ur cabin as easily as it did before... minor difference in air flow is acceptable. infact, even at peak heat times, i only use my a/c at speed 1. why? because i dont want the cabin to get too cold inside as when one steps out, sudden heat can be very dangerous. a/c speed at 1 keeps me more then comfortable and brings the temprature level inside to a comfortable level. if sometimes i feel too hot (talking about temperature here ) i direct 3 of the a/c vents towards me...
    i'd recommend the same to everyone as sudden rise/fall in temperature of ones body can cause severe health issues...
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    Hey guys,

    how are all honda city fans doing? I hope all is well, I wanted to ask you if you feel the same way about honda city's poor sound deadening? I have been dynamatting to kill noise as much as possible. And how are the conditions in new honda city, any better?

    Have fun driving your citys..
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonjee View Post
    Hey guys,

    how are all honda city fans doing? I hope all is well, I wanted to ask you if you feel the same way about honda city's poor sound deadening? I have been dynamatting to kill noise as much as possible. And how are the conditions in new honda city, any better?

    Have fun driving your citys..
    Cheers
    Hello Naveed bro , how are u doin... we all seem to do well
    i ve been driving new city around, u know, and im not gonna say that its sound deadening is any better or materially better then the city idsi infact, the vtec engine roars much more then the idsi and thats why the engine noise that enters the cabin is infact more then that of idsi... dynamiting seems to be the only (expensive) option...
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    iDSI was WAY quieter than this iVTEC thing


    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    i ve been driving new city around, u know, and im not gonna say that its sound deadening is any better or materially better then the city idsi infact, the vtec engine roars much more then the idsi and thats why the engine noise that enters the cabin is infact more then that of idsi... dynamiting seems to be the only (expensive) option...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    ohh realy they dont have trunk light ?? God its so simple and necessery thing hehe, well in my corolla they have installed cabin air filter and even trunk light, i will check my city for trunk light
    current booking price of city base modal is rs1488,000 and hopefully revise them once facelift shape wil launch soon
    Jee! Jee! Sir! no trunk light! Just for info, my City i-DSI 2008 has the Cabin Filter by Default.

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    My gosh!! 1488, what these people want from us!! What they wanna take out from us!! Please! Stop this!
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    I am doing great, chilling in Karachi these days.. Haha it feels like we all psychologically miss the previous model when ever the new comes in, or, maybe the companies are cutting cost by putting in let quality stuff in our cars.. This is serious, honda city aspire went up to 1.8M, which is way too much for a 1300cc car.. I would never get City if the situation stays.. I would not get a local car either.. EVER!!!

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    Hello Naveed bro , how are u doin... we all seem to do well
    i ve been driving new city around, u know, and im not gonna say that its sound deadening is any better or materially better then the city idsi infact, the vtec engine roars much more then the idsi and thats why the engine noise that enters the cabin is infact more then that of idsi... dynamiting seems to be the only (expensive) option...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    bhai jaan, aapki city me hai trunk light.
    Hmm! U R Right ! Fawad bhai ! HONDA charged a big amount after giving these Minor mods which included the trunk Light...
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    I am doing great, chilling in Karachi these days.. Haha it feels like we all psychologically miss the previous model when ever the new comes in, or, maybe the companies are cutting cost by putting in low quality stuff in our cars.. This is serious, honda city aspire went up to 1.8M, which is way too much for a 1300cc car.. I would never get City if the situation stays.. I would not get a local car either.. EVER!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Hello Naveed bro , how are u doin... we all seem to do well
    i ve been driving new city around, u know, and im not gonna say that its sound deadening is any better or materially better then the city idsi infact, the vtec engine roars much more then the idsi and thats why the engine noise that enters the cabin is infact more then that of idsi... dynamiting seems to be the only (expensive) option...
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonjee View Post
    I am doing great, chilling in Karachi these days.. Haha it feels like we all psychologically miss the previous model when ever the new comes in, or, maybe the companies are cutting cost by putting in low quality stuff in our cars.. This is serious, honda city aspire went up to 1.8M, which is way too much for a 1300cc car.. I would never get City if the situation stays.. I would not get a local car either.. EVER!!!
    Totally Agree Moon bhai ! One of my very Well Trained mechanic told me that the the i-VTEC engine is 5K.G. lighter than the i-DSI means its lower in Quality. & that could be believed to much extent because of the growing trend of making low Quality Vehicles by Local Car Manufacturers.
    a verry prominent example is the new VIGO Champ. Literally its Interior Plastic Quality is Like Lotta Plastic Very bad looks & Cheapo Finishing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonjee View Post
    I am doing great, chilling in Karachi these days.. Haha it feels like we all psychologically miss the previous model when ever the new comes in, or, maybe the companies are cutting cost by putting in let quality stuff in our cars.. This is serious, honda city aspire went up to 1.8M, which is way too much for a 1300cc car.. I would never get City if the situation stays.. I would not get a local car either.. EVER!!!
    ahan...you're in karachi, be safe bro

    well, people do say its mostly psychological but in case of idsi vs vtec, i dont agree completely. maybe some of it is but certainly not all. you see u get a larger cabin, better fuel economy, quieter engine , better quality dashboard n all the small things like hand rests n 3rd brake lamp etc if u go for an idsi, which will also cost u much less... the only think that the ivtec is the king of is the driving pleasure, man o man that thing makes u reconsider ur thought that u're driving a 1.3l sedan. then comes the handling n braking n stability, thats all awesome... if i were to buy a car for myself only, i'd definately go for the ivtec but i personally believe that idsi was a better family car, only the brakes are not upto the mark...

    and yes, 1.8m for a 1.3l city... one can get a cl9, civic, premio, mark 2 n many more cars for that much although they wont be brand new except the civic. thats the reason why we havent seen a whole lot of city aspires...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Totally Agree Moon bhai ! One of my very Well Trained mechanic told me that the the i-VTEC engine is 5K.G. lighter than the i-DSI means its lower in Quality. & that could be believed to much extent because of the growing trend of making low Quality Vehicles by Local Car Manufacturers.
    a verry prominent example is the new VIGO Champ. Literally its Interior Plastic Quality is Like Lotta Plastic Very bad looks & Cheapo Finishing!
    well may be the engine really is 5kgs lighter but dont ever think that the quality is bad. they dont make engines here. infact much of the car is only assembled here, most of the parts other then some plastic n rubber parts are imported from thailand etc n are assembled here. so, theres no posibility that the quality of the engine is bad in any way. these engines last veryyyyy long if taken care of. mine now has 238,000kms and that too on cng and its going great MashaALLAH...

    but yes, the parts that honda atlas makes themself, most of the dasboard n rubber parts are of pathetic quality. atleast the lotta comes up to the expectations, but the plastic used in our new cars doesnt not only city but all other local cars without any exception...
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