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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    as far as i know, there is no torque converter in cvt.
    Ok this particular design is without TQ but there are multi layer clutches and hydraulics based acceleration system which allows creep and can easily smooth the kicks.

    What is my concern that some people do claim that their cvt city is ok on CNG. So how it works for them. or they are lucky that their cvt remained ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    Thanks for the url bro. I visited Asad Tyres in Sadar Rawalpindi. I think I have to chose between
    1-Advan DB
    2-and C drive.

    One more problem is that they're available in 195/65/15 whereas the stock tyres for Honda City 2012 are 175/65/15. What kind of warranty will be ruined if I get 195/65/15.

    My Objective to change tyres is to
    1-Improve drive comfort
    2-Improve (or atleast not ruin the existing) fuel economy

    Which tyre brand and size will help me achieve the above objectives for Honda City 2012?
    i am having yoko c drive in my rolla , as per waleed bhai given yoko web site ref its saying in comfort and silance advan db is best but in fuel economy c-drives better than advan db though its also soft tyer and i am satisfy with performace.
    c-drive avilable here in lahore in 185 width , price i think between 7500 to 7800 per tyer. i am afraid in advan db they dont have 185 width.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    i am having yoko c drive in my rolla , as per waleed bhai given yoko web site ref its saying in comfort and silance advan db is best but in fuel economy c-drives better than advan db though its also soft tyer and i am satisfy with performace.
    c-drive avilable here in lahore in 185 width , price i think between 7500 to 7800 per tyer. i am afraid in advan db they dont have 195 width.
    C drive are no doubt excellent tyres. I have had them on one of my previous cars that's why opted to advan this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    Can you guide me from where I can get 185/60/15 or 185/65/15 in Islamabad / Rawalpindi. I checked with Asad tyres in Sadar Rwp but they dont have it.
    They are available in Lahore but I got them sourced from Karachi as the official dealer is there and I did not want to take risk on tampered tyres

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Ahmad bhai,i ve made this very rough sketch to refresh my own concept and to explain it to fellow members.

    meet the CVT transmission cycle i made a cycle instead of a car transmission because i ve never seen a car's tranny from inside
    so, heres the sketch which will explain to u how cvt works. the total concept of shifting is absent in cvt. the prosmatec is just about the METHOD which is used to send the chain from one sprocket to another, in a way as to miminize the jerk that is normally felt. however, it also decides about WHEN and and WHICH RPMs to shift into WHAT gear for WHAT requirements. ex. when in hilly areas, it will decide on weather to shift to a lower gear or keep on accelerating in the current on etc etc. prosmatec is however, a bit advanced form of simple automatic transmission. not something totally new, like CVT.

    also watch the videos in my earlier post.
    jazakallha dear ahmad bhai, sure many concepts clear now.
    so pkdm 2012 city, civic and altis having cvt transmission in a/t gears ?
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    question to brothers having a/t city in current shape
    whats the fuel avg in city/ highway with or without ac
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    C drive are no doubt excellent tyres. I have had them on one of my previous cars that's why opted to advan this time
    Guys,
    Visited two shops and i'm a little confused.

    Asad Tyres, Sadar Rwp....... cost of Advan DB 195/65/15 is 9500 per tyre
    United Tyres Blue area Isb.. cost of Advan DB 195/65/15 is 8200 per tyre

    Asad Tyres agreed to buy stock tyres for 10,000 (500km driven)
    United Tyres agreed to buy stock ones for 12,000

    So there is a price difference of 7200 Rs in these shops for the whole deal.
    Both have tyres of 2012's manufacturing date.

    Can someone guide me about the pricing. What's the catch? So far its very confusing

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN427 View Post
    @ Ahmad Billa

    Bhai YAAR mil nahin rahe they Yokohama ADVAN DB as everyone knows they are short in market otherwise i would definetely gone for it have told you at that time i had only 2 options available for my CITY 2012 1. Yoko A-Drive and 2. Dunlop ECO out of which Dunlop seemed to me a bit more revealing and the person there (My father's close friend) also suggested me to buy DUNLOP...He was saying that they are great tyres...70-80 hazaar kilometer chal jayenge aapgi gari par!!! So i did what he told me to!!!
    Sir im not saying u made a bad choice. dunlops certainly are very good tires. availability is another thing, i was just talking about the quality and comparison of both. i myself have pathetic tires installed in my car n the reason is that i HAVE to buy tires from one of my dad's friend's dealership, regardless of whatever crap brand he recommends, i have to get it some day, i ll be a rebel n will get some fresh yokos shipped over from isb or lahore
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    Quote Originally Posted by memad View Post
    Ok this particular design is without TQ but there are multi layer clutches and hydraulics based acceleration system which allows creep and can easily smooth the kicks.

    What is my concern that some people do claim that their cvt city is ok on CNG. So how it works for them. or they are lucky that their cvt remained ok.
    either they are lucky. or they keep their cars very well maintained. so the rpms stay VERY stable... cvt usually lasts 70-90k kms easily even on cng.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    jazakallha dear ahmad bhai, sure many concepts clear now.
    so pkdm 2012 city, civic and altis having cvt transmission in a/t gears ?
    No brother, only the city idsi had cvt transmission. no other car in pakistan has/had cvt in it. the only car with cvt other then city that i know of is nissan maxima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    Guys,
    Visited two shops and i'm a little confused.

    Asad Tyres, Sadar Rwp....... cost of Advan DB 195/65/15 is 9500 per tyre
    United Tyres Blue area Isb.. cost of Advan DB 195/65/15 is 8200 per tyre

    Asad Tyres agreed to buy stock tyres for 10,000 (500km driven)
    United Tyres agreed to buy stock ones for 12,000

    So there is a price difference of 7200 Rs in these shops for the whole deal.
    Both have tyres of 2012's manufacturing date.

    Can someone guide me about the pricing. What's the catch? So far its very confusing
    Make sure that tyres are Advan db V551 (original n distributed by Shaikh Brothers Karachi) not v550 which are smuggled and no warranty. Also check Tyre manufactured date. Buy only fresh. I just purchased 185/65-15 @8750/Tyre. In Lahore as per Ahmad bhai these are available @8500
    OEM will sell @12000/4-tyres.

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    yups....advan db v551 is the ones we should be looking for.....185/65 is the most suitable size for the new city (as per my understanding) as the car does not have braking and grip issues, therefore 195 would only result in more fuel consumption and wrong meter reading. otherwis, 185 is god enough for this car. for a corolla, i would recommend 195

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    No brother, only the city idsi had cvt transmission. no other car in pakistan has/had cvt in it. the only car with cvt other then city that i know of is nissan maxima.
    And Steermatic
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    vitz also has super cvt from 2005 onwards models.



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    I've finally decided to go for ADVAN DB 185/65/15 for Honda City 2012
    185/60/15 is not available at all. Even 185/65/15 has to be sourced from Karachi (either through Asad Tyres or Directly from Sheikh brothers)

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    an excellent choice indeed. if you want to have a test drive of 2012 city with Advan db in 185/65 on it, i am right here. you can always try the car out

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    Quote Originally Posted by incognito59 View Post
    Please say MashAllah!
    sir G, mugen grill, looking freakin awesome. I saw one in islamabad a few days ago, it was a bit different, but awesome. Sadly, it doesn't fit on my car.
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