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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaan1 View Post
    Good to hear that you are good and free ! Yes I am in Uk for holidays and the car is in Islamabad . There washing the car is soo difficult let alone detailing it the only thing I can hope for is that it stays scratch free What about your beauty ? do post some pics of it.
    oh yea, you ll be lucky if there wud be no new stains on the interior fabric

    well, my beauty is actually less of a beauty these days it needs paint jobs for both the bumpers and needs a thorough detailing job. now, in this heat, plus ramzaan, i dont have enough sweat to shed on that so i just get it washed once a week and then drive it for another
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    yup therez been fuse puller or tweezers from times of my city and mine still have it check the spare fuse line in the fuse box and it should be there at the end, or at least its there in my case, and yes pulling fuse out one is really pain in the .........
    i never knew it :O and i believe i dont know it because there isnt any in my car
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Ahmed, 680 on the first full tank run in on the switch from syn to mineral....theek hi hai, koi khass masla wasla mujya mehsoos nai hua, pickup is a ok, engine rumble is same....mileage has improved a bit.....lets see till next oil change....
    680 is very gud... mineral oil is working fine with ur car... and mine too. and if it can keep a cng fed engine healthy for upto 240k kms, then im sure theres no issue at all with lower mileage cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    safdar bhai
    many congrats for new beauty mashallha Allha naseeb kare ameen
    koi nazar wazar nahi lagti yar Allha ka nam ley ker safar ka agaz karo bus, shortly sending you pm mesg pls check

    well i stricktly asked honda city sales than i need delivery as it dirty condition as u know their desi washing methoed creat swirls on car skin, well in my car i got matts
    hahahaha... Honda employees wud be going crazy "Paa jee, ay wakhra he koe gahak a, kenda a gadi gandi he dy dyo!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    Aoa,
    Received the DBs today for my new Honda City 2012 (picture below). I hope the ride will be quiet and smooth after installing them. Soon will get those installed inshaAllah.

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    I need suggestions on the alloy rims. Got my hands on Lenso lightweight alloy rims that are just like new at a reasonable price. Do you think they'll suit with Taffeta White Honda City 2012? Stock picture of the rim is below

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    alllaaaa... chaaa gae hain app! zabardust! do update us about ur experience with the tires. as for the rims, i'd suggest u the same as @waleed80 did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider007 View Post
    CNG destroys the Transmission and reduces its life so better Avoid it.....
    City vario CVT Transmission hai...
    i second that! +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by faisalirshad View Post
    hello guys. I was looking for City fans and here I found a fan page of city.
    I just recently bought a City 06 in a very good condition with only 51000 km on odometer couple of weeks ago. Although Intially i did not wanted to go for Honda city because i did not liked its shape specially 2003-2008 models. Instead I was looking for Honda Civic but I found this city in a very good condition so it changed my mind and bascially I felt for it. So far now I am completely satisfied with the car and I think I took a good decision because it is a preety good car when compared to my old ride which was Suzuki Cultus. Now I am looking for some help for the car.
    First of all about the engine oil which one to go for. I have seen on couple of threads that some people suggest to go for synthetic engine oil while some say that normal will work. Considering the condition of my car what u guys suggest which oil I should use because previously I think the person I bought from used havouline formula in it.
    and also what you guys suggest that is it worth going to Honda workshop for oil change???
    So secondly which one to go for either synthetic or normal.

    And what else I should be looking forward for the car that you guys suggest it needs to be checked because for me till now the car is running fine Alhumdulliah. Looking forward for the reply...
    Sir congrats on ur purchase. im glad u liked it. civic certainly is more of a car but u have to pay the price! in terms of fuel, maintainence and the bulk amount for buying one, compared to a city. city offers better value for money i'd say. and the running cost is low as well.

    okay, moving on to ur queries. i ALWAYS, ALWAYS recommend havoline formula oil for newer/relatively newer cars like urs. and if the previous owner was using the same, simple continue.
    synthetic oil is excellent but there are mixed comments about it, mineral is safer. i personally believe that using good quality mineral oil and draining at lower interval is better then using a synthetic oil and using it for longer periods... its a matter of personal opinion. and no need to go to looters (Honda showroom) for small jobs like oil change. get it done at any of ur trusted , well reputed oil shop.
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    @margallar
    MashaALLAH the awesomeness of an APPLIED FOR car is dripping
    i'd like to advise u to get fog lamps and change the headlight bulb for better visibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ..... as for the rims, i'd suggest u the same as @waleed80 did!
    Are these rims still good enough to be bought and then repainted with silver, chrome or black? On PW many users recommend to go for branded, light weight rims and avoid chinese crap. I've visited tyre shops in Islamabad / Rawalpindi and all they have is chinese crap.

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    @margallar
    congrats buddy, Allah naseeb kare

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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    Are these rims still good enough to be bought and then repainted with silver, chrome or black? On PW many users recommend to go for branded, light weight rims and avoid chinese crap. I've visited tyre shops in Islamabad / Rawalpindi and all they have is chinese crap.
    that is totally upon u. i personally wont go for such a setting as it kills the originality of the rims in the first place. moreover, the repaint u wud do is prone to getting cracked and peeling off as it can never ever be the same way as the original one, so that might hurt ur eyes in the longer run

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    moving on to ur queries. i ALWAYS, ALWAYS recommend havoline formula oil for newer/relatively newer cars like urs.
    for how much is the havoline formula and what is its rating ? and do u grade it better than the fully synthetic Honda genuine oil which they are offering at their dealership ?

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    A quick question:
    Which car feels more underpowered, Gli (Current) or City iDSI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    A quick question:
    Which car feels more underpowered, Gli (Current) or City iDSI?
    IDSI as per my experience

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    Thank you brother and thanks for the guide...
    One another thing that I would like to clear is that the car is installed with CNG so whenever the car is running on CNG the orange engine light turns on after some time while when it is on petrol the light doesnot turn on and it runs ok. I asked the person from whom I got he said that its just only because CNG is installed and the sensors in it read it as malfunction so no need to worry about it.

    But personally that light annoys me too much and whenever it turns on i feel discomfortable so what you think that whether the above reason said is true or should I get it checked.
    and secondly does these engines run well on CNG because on my suzuki cultus I never had any problem with CNG on it. But I have heard from some guys that CNG doesnot suit these cars so what is your suggestion about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Sir congrats on ur purchase. im glad u liked it. civic certainly is more of a car but u have to pay the price! in terms of fuel, maintainence and the bulk amount for buying one, compared to a city. city offers better value for money i'd say. and the running cost is low as well.

    okay, moving on to ur queries. i ALWAYS, ALWAYS recommend havoline formula oil for newer/relatively newer cars like urs. and if the previous owner was using the same, simple continue.
    synthetic oil is excellent but there are mixed comments about it, mineral is safer. i personally believe that using good quality mineral oil and draining at lower interval is better then using a synthetic oil and using it for longer periods... its a matter of personal opinion. and no need to go to looters (Honda showroom) for small jobs like oil change. get it done at any of ur trusted , well reputed oil shop.
    Thank you brother and thanks for the guide...

    One another thing that I would like to clear is that the car is installed with CNG so whenever the car is running on CNG the orange engine light turns on after some time while when it is on petrol the light doesnot turn on and it runs ok. I asked the person from whom I got he said that its just only because CNG is installed and the sensors in it read it as malfunction so no need to worry about it.

    But personally that light annoys me too much and whenever it turns on i feel discomfortable so what you think that whether the above reason said is true or should I get it checked.
    and secondly does these engines run well on CNG because on my suzuki cultus I never had any problem with CNG on it. But I have heard from some guys that CNG doesnot suit these cars so what is your suggestion about it...

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    @faisalirshad

    CEL on turns up in cng vehicle when there is something wrong with advancer setup, there are two possibilities that comes to my mind, first which i have lil doubt that you have it is the wrong hook up of grips on the fuel injectors, the regular wiring grips are removed from injectors and looped through the advancer, if the sequence is not right CEL will be up, but what i have experienced in this scenario CEL is even up on petrol, second thing that needs consideration is the jumper between MAP and advancer unit. have your machine checked and let us all know the problem as it might be helpful or us too.

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    Bro there is some issue with the wiring otherwise cel wont light up..the person from you have bought the car is wrong...i havent seen any city whoes cel lights up on cng... as far as engine compatibility with cng is concerned it is 100% compatible with cng.. get your car checked from reputed cng technician.. i have lamda LC01 cng installed in my car and never have any cel light issue... if you live in karachi go to landirenzo workshop ...


    Quote Originally Posted by faisalirshad View Post
    Thank you brother and thanks for the guide...
    One another thing that I would like to clear is that the car is installed with CNG so whenever the car is running on CNG the orange engine light turns on after some time while when it is on petrol the light doesnot turn on and it runs ok. I asked the person from whom I got he said that its just only because CNG is installed and the sensors in it read it as malfunction so no need to worry about it.

    But personally that light annoys me too much and whenever it turns on i feel discomfortable so what you think that whether the above reason said is true or should I get it checked.
    and secondly does these engines run well on CNG because on my suzuki cultus I never had any problem with CNG on it. But I have heard from some guys that CNG doesnot suit these cars so what is your suggestion about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    @faisalirshad

    CEL on turns up in cng vehicle when there is something wrong with advancer setup, there are two possibilities that comes to my mind, first which i have lil doubt that you have it is the wrong hook up of grips on the fuel injectors, the regular wiring grips are removed from injectors and looped through the advancer, if the sequence is not right CEL will be up, but what i have experienced in this scenario CEL is even up on petrol, second thing that needs consideration is the jumper between MAP and advancer unit. have your machine checked and let us all know the problem as it might be helpful or us too.
    Well I checked it again on petrol drove some miles but it didnt showed up. Its only showing on CNG.
    But its better i get it checked to some mechanic...

    Between can u explain a little bit about advancer setup and how it works. and secondly if u know any good mechanic for city in ISB then do let me know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    Bro there is some issue with the wiring otherwise cel wont light up..the person from you have bought the car is wrong...i havent seen any city whoes cel lights up on cng... as far as engine compatibility with cng is concerned it is 100% compatible with cng.. get your car checked from reputed cng technician.. i have lamda LC01 cng installed in my car and never have any cel light issue... if you live in karachi go to landirenzo workshop ...
    Thanks for the guide brother. will surely get it checked now...

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