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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    teri maerbani, ill source these things soon,
    for tools take mukhtaar with you and dont shop alone, i mean only mukhtar not any other senior

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    acha ji, wesay iss detailing k chakar mai bohat cheats ka pta lag gya hai, ab hoshyaari k beghair koi guzara ni

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    btw what is ratchet called in urdu or illiterate language

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    btw what is ratchet called in urdu or illiterate language
    we call it Goti here

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    isnt goti the thing that is attached to the ratchet

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    isnt goti the thing that is attached to the ratchet
    goti is called socket, and ratchet handle is called goti rod, the plain one i used L shaped one, and other goti gear rod, dont worry atleast who keeps ratchet know it by name too, you can buy all these separately, a decent ratchet set with around 20 sockets will cost you more or less same as that of Gold Class can. should be less than than, else Rs.800-1000 for good ratchet handle and 100-140 for sockets depending on size, note if you buy separately you can get all sockets in normal length or extended length, choose correctly or according to usage for example i have normal 10mm sockets for routine use and 10mm long one for opening vespa head and long 16mm to open car's plug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    my car steering was making noise on uneven road like 10 months ago, shown it three different mechanics all said complete rack needed to be changed, and price of kabuli rack, well you must have an idea thru the process you went. as last chance showed it to office mechanic who took a test drive and said, there are two possibilities that either rack seals are gone and rack is vibrating or the rack ends/rack end tie rod are gone, he opened the tie rods and turned the steering to one side this makes rack to come out he then shaked it well but here was no play from both side and thank God my rack was saved, changed the tie rods and ends and boot in like Rs.2800/= or so and we were good. all this written so that you can compare your scenario to mine.

    now comes the question of changing seals in steering rack, no matter where you go you'll hear that they wont last and will again get leaked, my question is if it is so then why store keepers keep seals and why honda will ever produce rebuilt kit. my opinion is all those who say that seals wont seat properly or will leak cant do a proper job. now for me your seal job is test scenario and i pray it goes well. do share your experience of the problem too as in our case steering rack is not only hard to find but will cost approx 25k here in pindi.

    regarding the power steering fluid, changed it myself like one month ago with honda PSF, it costed me Rs.850/= and honestly i even dont know either its minrel or synthetic, at the end how often do we change fluids other than engine oil, so i didnt gave it a second thought and filled with honda psf.

    Hey thanks!

    I had some leakage from the rack , i got it fixed like 2 months ago. Its been fine ever since and not leaking anything. The PS guy is supposed to be some kind of expert here. I had to go to him even before his shop opened because after 12 noon he doesnt take anymore work.

    Anyways so i got the PS fixed but the oil he filled was some unbranded ATF which he asked me to replace after 2 weeks. I replaced it with another branded Dexron IIE ATF until i found out that ATF is not at all recommended for Honda PS. No problem is how to get all that red oil out to fill it up with Honda PS. The max i can do is empty the reservoir by removing the high n low pressure pipes but what about the oil that is already in the pump and elsewhere. Honda PS oil is like expensive and it take about a liter to fill a clean system but to replace ATF with it i don't know what to do.

    Second problem , What brake pads should i use ? Mine are although working fine but are making a really weird rattling noise. I have replaced the discs but the nose remains. I have been driving with it for about 4 months now. No problem in stopping the car no wobbling drifting etc just the noise. Bugged me most during Ramdans when i wasnt listening to any music :\. The research i have done so far i am thinking its probably because of the shims that are wrapped around the front and back of the discs. The normal unbranded pads don't come with Shims and old ones are used. I am thinking if i replace the pads with the original Honda ones they come with proper shims and clips. Since this will be a hit n try i am thinking if i could try some other pads that are close to Honda's. I've heard Nissin ones are pretty good but i don't know if they come with Shims etc. Any help will be much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    Hello every one... my cars IAC valve died ( as per honda guys ) idsi 2006.
    did any1 ever faced the same situatio please discuss..
    my car is very rough idiling on petrol and a bit smooth on cng, chk engine light is on ...new valve costs Rs. 15,700.
    thanks.
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    How do you know that did they check it with OBD II scanner if IACV error than try open the IACV and reconnect may be the problem resolves because there might be some problem due to dust. Check for fuses in both under hood and under dash fuse boxes may be there is a culprit there. The last thing to do is go to junk yard like shershah and try to look for IACV there it should not cost more than 2000-2500 rs . These honda guys are trying to rip you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Hey thanks!

    I had some leakage from the rack , i got it fixed like 2 months ago. Its been fine ever since and not leaking anything. The PS guy is supposed to be some kind of expert here. I had to go to him even before his shop opened because after 12 noon he doesnt take anymore work.

    Anyways so i got the PS fixed but the oil he filled was some unbranded ATF which he asked me to replace after 2 weeks. I replaced it with another branded Dexron IIE ATF until i found out that ATF is not at all recommended for Honda PS. No problem is how to get all that red oil out to fill it up with Honda PS. The max i can do is empty the reservoir by removing the high n low pressure pipes but what about the oil that is already in the pump and elsewhere. Honda PS oil is like expensive and it take about a liter to fill a clean system but to replace ATF with it i don't know what to do.

    Second problem , What brake pads should i use ? Mine are although working fine but are making a really weird rattling noise. I have replaced the discs but the nose remains. I have been driving with it for about 4 months now. No problem in stopping the car no wobbling drifting etc just the noise. Bugged me most during Ramdans when i wasnt listening to any music :\. The research i have done so far i am thinking its probably because of the shims that are wrapped around the front and back of the discs. The normal unbranded pads don't come with Shims and old ones are used. I am thinking if i replace the pads with the original Honda ones they come with proper shims and clips. Since this will be a hit n try i am thinking if i could try some other pads that are close to Honda's. I've heard Nissin ones are pretty good but i don't know if they come with Shims etc. Any help will be much appreciated.
    if seals are holding after two months i guess they will last, how much it costed for the seals and labor charges of khardia? and yes low quality PSF might be good but ATF is a big big no, getting power steering fluid is pretty easy, leave the reservoir as it is and un bolt the top hoze from PS pump, its the pressure line to the rack, now you need to place normal rubber pipe over the opening and dump other end into empty bottle or mug what eva to collect the oil, its best done with two persons one with the PS pump holding things and other inside the car, start the car and turn the wheels side to side two three times and you will have all the fluid out, i under estimated the pressure of the pump and spilled half of oil over then engine and on floor, so keep your grip firm on pipe which you have placed on top of pump, only remove the O rings from removed pipe ends if you have them already, there are not your normal O rings, rings are bit square, yes are round but square in sense that if you cut ring it will be made of square rubber length, so watch out or have these rings on hand, now you can safely take out the reservoir bottle and flush it in reverse flow with petrol to take out any gunk on the filter. and thats pretty much it, put back the hozes, therez no need to remove the low pressure hoze, top up the reservoir and start the engine and turn steering clock to clock few times to prime the system. and there you have it, will take 800ml of oil almost but you will feel the difference on steering. flush the system after short interval if you wanna be very careful about the any left overs of the old oil.

    while reading the brake issue i was also thinking of shims and there you mentioned it as i go along, i cant also think of any other thing that would have cause of such rattling, infact driver side pads of my car also rattles and i dont think that any brake pad came with shims, i dont remember the make of the pads i replaced mine with but they were malaysian, and nissin ones will be best i guess being OEM, last time when i was out shopping for pads came across price range from 800-3000, only buy metallic ones, just a tip for your next purchase of pads when ever it comes, rub the two pads together and if they create dust they are good, will wear off while braking and not get hard and wont demage the disc. and finally see if your mechanic can take shims out and put them back in proper shape if they get loosened or mis shaped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    Hello every one... my cars IAC valve died ( as per honda guys ) idsi 2006.
    did any1 ever faced the same situatio please discuss..
    my car is very rough idiling on petrol and a bit smooth on cng, chk engine light is on ...new valve costs Rs. 15,700.
    thanks.
    this thread if for you brother, page 2 is interesting

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/per...le-rpm-problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    if seals are holding after two months i guess they will last, how much it costed for the seals and labor charges of khardia? and yes low quality PSF might be good but ATF is a big big no, getting power steering fluid is pretty easy, leave the reservoir as it is and un bolt the top hoze from PS pump, its the pressure line to the rack, now you need to place normal rubber pipe over the opening and dump other end into empty bottle or mug what eva to collect the oil, its best done with two persons one with the PS pump holding things and other inside the car, start the car and turn the wheels side to side two three times and you will have all the fluid out, i under estimated the pressure of the pump and spilled half of oil over then engine and on floor, so keep your grip firm on pipe which you have placed on top of pump, only remove the O rings from removed pipe ends if you have them already, there are not your normal O rings, rings are bit square, yes are round but square in sense that if you cut ring it will be made of square rubber length, so watch out or have these rings on hand, now you can safely take out the reservoir bottle and flush it in reverse flow with petrol to take out any gunk on the filter. and thats pretty much it, put back the hozes, therez no need to remove the low pressure hoze, top up the reservoir and start the engine and turn steering clock to clock few times to prime the system. and there you have it, will take 800ml of oil almost but you will feel the difference on steering. flush the system after short interval if you wanna be very careful about the any left overs of the old oil.

    while reading the brake issue i was also thinking of shims and there you mentioned it as i go along, i cant also think of any other thing that would have cause of such rattling, infact driver side pads of my car also rattles and i dont think that any brake pad came with shims, i dont remember the make of the pads i replaced mine with but they were malaysian, and nissin ones will be best i guess being OEM, last time when i was out shopping for pads came across price range from 800-3000, only buy metallic ones, just a tip for your next purchase of pads when ever it comes, rub the two pads together and if they create dust they are good, will wear off while braking and not get hard and wont demage the disc. and finally see if your mechanic can take shims out and put them back in proper shape if they get loosened or mis shaped.

    Great! If i can get all the oil in one go i'll just put Honda PS oil in it and change it in a month or so. Regarding the Rack seal job , i got it done from this power steering guy in nazimabad. Charged me around 2.5 k. He took out the rack but did not open it up completely just replaced the top seal which was leaking.

    About the brakes, i think the Honda ones that the dealer ship sells does come with all the shims and clips. Don't know about the Nissin ones. I'll check , i wan't to replace the Shims with new ones and service the brakes put in new oil with all the recommended copper grease etc.

    About the mechanics i am having a hard time finding a good one. Its a real headache. The more i read about Hondas the more i find every mechanic ive ever been to as inadequate. Everyone here wants to tool the discs. This one mechanic was insisting so much i wanted to punch him. I told him that buddy these are new discs i don't wan't to tool them but that was his answer to all brake problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Great! If i can get all the oil in one go i'll just put Honda PS oil in it and change it in a month or so. Regarding the Rack seal job , i got it done from this power steering guy in nazimabad. Charged me around 2.5 k. He took out the rack but did not open it up completely just replaced the top seal which was leaking.

    About the brakes, i think the Honda ones that the dealer ship sells does come with all the shims and clips. Don't know about the Nissin ones. I'll check , i wan't to replace the Shims with new ones and service the brakes put in new oil with all the recommended copper grease etc.

    About the mechanics i am having a hard time finding a good one. Its a real headache. The more i read about Hondas the more i find every mechanic ive ever been to as inadequate. Everyone here wants to tool the discs. This one mechanic was insisting so much i wanted to punch him. I told him that buddy these are new discs i don't wan't to tool them but that was his answer to all brake problems.
    2.5k, you got off the hook pretty easily here in pindi/isb they were taking like 1400-1500Rs. just to down the rack. i have no idea about the honda ones but can confirm that nissin does not have shims. and you know what the problem is that we have to take our cars worth lakhs to matric fail guys who probably will never own his own only coz he will have one for his use when ever he needs, thats the sad part and yes finding one reliable mechanic with all the good knowledge is really difficult, the one who does his job on your pace.

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    Yeah it was a pretty hectic job just to get the rack out. Took him a while to put it back as well.

    The problem is i researched ps oil dilemma quite throughly and the fact is no oil manufacturers not zic, not fuchs and not caltex recommend thr dexron based ps oil for honda. They are fine for toyota, gms and fords but no honda. Its got something to do with the ps pump that honda has and seals also change thr sizes to liquids other thn honda's. Yet every mechanic n shop guy ive ever ran into said "sab aik ha" .

    Our mechanics just run on a set algorithm. If the engine heats up change the gasket. For brakes the want to to tool beyond spec. When my car heated up last year 5 so called experts suggested a gasket job. Thanks to xulfiqar here and his continous diagnoses against it and guess what it wasnt the gasket. It was the water pump. Thanks god i didnt have to open up my sealed 175k driven engine which mashallah still doesnt eat oil and runs exceptionally well.




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    i want the to know that can i install this kind of Tach o meter in my City ? has anybody done it ? any wiring alteration required ?

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    Km/L Meter available from which year in Honda City PKDM

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    how much mileage does city idsi gives in 55l cylinder n same for steermatic?
    does steermatic gives better mileage than idsi?huzaifaa felt that way
    n also i heard steermatic is more powerful n better pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itstariq View Post
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    2009 ivtec city

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaudhary9 View Post
    how much mileage does city idsi gives in 55l cylinder n same for steermatic?
    does steermatic gives better mileage than idsi?huzaifaa felt that way
    n also i heard steermatic is more powerful n better pick?
    Choudhry Sahb idsi is 1248 cc where as steermatic is 1500cc. Ab yeh to koi bach bhi bata sakta hai kon powerful hai. Regarding mileage well mileage depends not only on engine size but how the engine power is transmitted. The fact is that higher the number of gears a car has better will be its mileage. Steermatic has a 7 speed mode whereas idsi only 5 speed. Mileage also depends on engine rpm so idsi may be economical than steermatic at 100km/hr but at speeds above 120 it is not going to more economical than steermatic because of bigger engine and 7 speed mode. In general you dont drive everyday at 120+ so idsi is more economical than steermatic but steermatic is much more powerful.

    Jahan tak huzaifaa ka sawal hai to bhai woh to 150+ per driving karta hai at that speed idsi would be at 4500 rpm whereas steermatic due to its 7 speed mode would be around 4000 rpm so the car with lesser rpms will be more economical

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
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    i want the to know that can i install this kind of Tach o meter in my City ? has anybody done it ? any wiring alteration required ?
    Bro go to shershah than ask them to show you both meters the pakistani one and the imported one turn them to their backside and than compare the grips if they are same than I think it will work

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Bro go to shershah than ask them to show you both meters the pakistani one and the imported one turn them to their backside and than compare the grips if they are same than I think it will work
    well the design is the same but the odo meter's location is changed
    another thing where is the obd II port in an '04 idsi

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