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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Well, after seeing fahad's city 04, my love for the car I have has multiplied several X instantly.


    Recent pics of my car, taken on eid day, no fancy detailing stuff used, just simple wash n wax after 20 days I guess. She deserved it on eid. Mileage as of that day was as in the pics, as of today is precisely 208066 kms. Car is going great as usual, though a few problems did occur, will share em over here for the good of my fellows, they require a bit of explanation, therefore have been rendered passive due to my great masroofiyat these days in studies. But after they were eradicated, the car is simply perfect.

    The only thing that touches me is the nearly dead suspension (its been 9 yrs and 2 lakh kms ) on a bumpy road, not in the city at all, during a usual drive in isb or mianwali. Tappets adjustment is due as well.

    so, the pictures, enjoy and say MashAllah.

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    ^^MashAllah you have really nice ride so clean and the rims really look cool
    after seeing it i also want to paint my cars silver panels

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    update
    went to the Honda guys in pindi yesterday for that khrrr khrrrr sound coming from the Engine bay when i push the car real hard as explained twp pages back...well, we went on a test ride and i drove the hell out of the car. the sound starting coming, but he ha NO idea what it was he said i have never heard this sort of thing before. so, i ust got the car its second inspection. he told me to keep driving the car with this sound and report to them later if the sound subsides OR if it increases. so basically they are just wishing for the sound to go off itself i was in a hurry so i came back, but yeah, the next time if teh sound comes, which offcourse it will, i would leave the car with them and walk away and would tell them to call me when its ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    ^^MashAllah you have really nice ride so clean and the rims really look cool
    after seeing it i also want to paint my cars silver panels
    hey thanks little buddy. Whats the mileage on your car's odo? and oh, there is a FULL thread on the panels repaint yaar, come on, show us a good DIY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    update
    went to the Honda guys in pindi yesterday for that khrrr khrrrr sound coming from the Engine bay when i push the car real hard as explained twp pages back...well, we went on a test ride and i drove the hell out of the car. the sound starting coming, but he ha NO idea what it was he said i have never heard this sort of thing before. so, i ust got the car its second inspection. he told me to keep driving the car with this sound and report to them later if the sound subsides OR if it increases. so basically they are just wishing for the sound to go off itself i was in a hurry so i came back, but yeah, the next time if teh sound comes, which offcourse it will, i would leave the car with them and walk away and would tell them to call me when its ok
    Great. did u go to honda center on mall road or the honda classic center in I-10 isb?

    u could've said one thing to them that if the car was alive, it would punch you back in the face on such a reply from u jackas$ mechanics.

    and bro, u didn't get a "slightest" idea of what may be giving the sound? well, I m gonna be in isb after a few days, lets see if we can meet up and I can witness the sound as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ok open karne ka tu bata dia, how once is supposed to put it back water/dust tight fitting?

    @fahad
    bro simply remove lamps and make a tub full of surf water and fill the tail lights housing with surf water and dip the whole light in tub for like an hour and then shake well to clean inside just as cleaning a baby feeder and you are good to go, never ever try to open your head or tail lamps by removing face.
    well sir g, I had to read ur username and the post many times to ensure that it was actually a suggestion from a person like YOU.

    this method was actually used, and was useful for the cars having blurr type lights (don't know the technical term) . The lights on idsi and newer cars are crystal clear, they show the slightest dirt and grime inside the light. Putting them in surf is just like waxing the car with engine oil or washing up the TB with detergent.

    My car's left rear light has caught a small amount of dust after 9 years, and I hate it to death. It was a consequence of a bulb replacement, mechanic didn't fix the bulb properly after changing it. Rest, they are crystal clear, not a single particle of dust inside.

    Opening them is a piece of cake, just get a heat gun and a tube to silicon, u can open and fix it back in less than an hour. No worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    update
    went to the Honda guys in pindi yesterday for that khrrr khrrrr sound coming from the Engine bay when i push the car real hard as explained twp pages back...well, we went on a test ride and i drove the hell out of the car. the sound starting coming, but he ha NO idea what it was he said i have never heard this sort of thing before. so, i ust got the car its second inspection. he told me to keep driving the car with this sound and report to them later if the sound subsides OR if it increases. so basically they are just wishing for the sound to go off itself i was in a hurry so i came back, but yeah, the next time if teh sound comes, which offcourse it will, i would leave the car with them and walk away and would tell them to call me when its ok
    no they are delaying it on purpose so that you find out the actual problem once your warranty has ended

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    no they are delaying it on purpose so that you find out the actual problem once your warranty has ended
    Oh Hell Yeah... Waleed bro I suggest you visit another honda 3S as well. and try a little bad citizen with them as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    well sir g, I had to read ur username and the post many times to ensure that it was actually a suggestion from a person like YOU.

    this method was actually used, and was useful for the cars having blurr type lights (don't know the technical term) . The lights on idsi and newer cars are crystal clear, they show the slightest dirt and grime inside the light. Putting them in surf is just like waxing the car with engine oil or washing up the TB with detergent.

    My car's left rear light has caught a small amount of dust after 9 years, and I hate it to death. It was a consequence of a bulb replacement, mechanic didn't fix the bulb properly after changing it. Rest, they are crystal clear, not a single particle of dust inside.

    Opening them is a piece of cake, just get a heat gun and a tube to silicon, u can open and fix it back in less than an hour. No worries.
    sab kuch par mitti pao bro, taken not tension, my model was first in pakistan to have crystal lights both front and back and first one with MPFi technology locally assembled and about that piece of cake and an hour thing, well i have seen complete procedure once at Chah Sultan Pindi, and removal of faces of tail light, only one at Bilal Gunj Lahore and i have serious reservations on that part. after only watching it i swear i'll never recommend opening up of lamps, do get them washed and that good,

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    @margallar
    kakh samajh nahi aaya what you wanna show, and dont tell me new city does not have fog light dips in bumper or i simply missed em?

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    while waxing i just noticed some discolouration, maybe when the car was parked at the show room some bird bombed this spot and nobody cleaned it till the car was to be handed over to us
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/73786210@N04/7879012552/" title="IMG_9256 by margallar, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7879012552_69da441760_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="IMG_9256"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
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    kakh samajh nahi aaya what you wanna show, and dont tell me new city does not have fog light dips in bumper or i simply missed em?
    there arent any, you have to cut the bumper to install fog lamps, i just waxed the car i wanted to show the results. the glitter in the paint seemed to really come alive after the wax treatment, but i could not really capture that in the pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    while waxing i just noticed some discolouration, maybe when the car was parked at the show room some bird bombed this spot and nobody cleaned it till the car was to be handed over to us
    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no, i dont see any dis colorization, only big shiny part where flash bounced back, and you detailed the new city

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    i did not use flash, i noticed this when i had not even taken the camera out of it's pouch, sadly a few areas need claying, they are rough hath phair k ajeeb lagta hai, maza ni ata

    @Mahmood, kal mera blood pressure high tha, aj zara mood tha, yeh keera mujhay rehnay ni deta punga liye baghair

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    janian plastic wrapping on seats

    ok i am quitting this thread for couple of hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    no they are delaying it on purpose so that you find out the actual problem once your warranty has ended
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    Oh Hell Yeah... Waleed bro I suggest you visit another honda 3S as well. and try a little bad citizen with them as well.
    latest update
    on the way back from my office, i took the car to my decade old family mechanic, who is simply SUPERB, in a hope that maybe he can find out the problem...and tadaaaaa...he did

    now this is for all the new city owners (i am not saying its a common fault but IF something like this happens, u guys should know what to check first)

    so here it is....when u push ur car REALLY REALLY hard, this khrrrrr khrrrr sound starts coming. i did exactly that and the sound was obvious. so i rushed back to the mechanic shop and made the car stand over a pit (the one on which they align the wheels)....my mechanic got down in the pit, told me to put the hand brake on and leave the clutch a little in the first gear...small lil jerks....offcourse, the sound was still coming. when i wud press the clutch, it would vanish. so finally, he told me to put the car in neutral and then he shook something under the engine, and YES...the sound was still coming. i went down eagerly to see the problem, and it was related to exhaust. the exhust, from where it originates from the manifold, is bolted on to the main assembly through two bolts which, which have a spring each over them. basically, what is happening is that when the exhaust gets extremely hot when u push the car really really hard, the springs soften up JUST a little more than normal, and the squeaking voice or the khrrr khrrrr comes from them. the moment u start driving like sane ppl again, or u stop by on a red light for a minute or so, the metal contracts back and the squeaking sound vanishes.when u put the car in neutral, as there is no pull, the exhaust remains stable even if u keep pressing the accelerator. hope i m making my point across. so...even if the car is neutral (and hot offcourse) and u push the exhaust center "dholki" here and there, the springs were squeaking, and here was the problem.

    khair. now satisfied that the problem wasnt critical, i went straight to Honda guys and told the incompetent asses that wat was the problem. they lifted the car and sprayed those two springs with WD-40. now they have asked me to check the car again, and if the same sound still comes, they have asked me to drop the car with them in the morning so that they can rectify the problem. Either the springs would have to be changed, OR cleaned, OR adjusted...i dont know, but it is DEFINITELY the springs. i forgot to take the snap though, i am sorry.

    hope tihs might help someone some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
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    congrats on the purchase. i have the same one in the same colour easy to keep it clean i have changed the headlight bulbs with Philis Xtreme vision H4, so they give a much whitish look. i would take a snap in the evening for u. wud highly recommend it for u as well

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    but overall, i am highly disappointed with the car's finish quality. i have been driving my platz like CRAzy on the longest possible routes in the lowest possible gears but not even once it misbehaved with me. there is yet another sound coming from my engine bay which i have to address next, which is like a very very gentle gurr gurr sound, as if something , some box or some plastic casing is loose under the hood. to expect all such things from a car which is only 4700 kilometers driven, that too all inside pindi and islamabad except one trip to murree, that too with a driver who is a hpermiller, never took the car beyond 70 km/hr in its first 1000 kilometers, is shameful. i mean, really. i am highly highly inclined towards selling it now and going for a Khota Corolla...really. i am not hell scared of even taking this car on roads like abbotabad, even on GT road cause i fear some new crappy sounds would start coming from it

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