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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Default bad exprience with honda site karachi

    I just had a bad exprience with honda site karachi and want to share wid all the members..

    to get the gear oil change i drove to honda site.. on the way back to ofice car starts jerking n finally engine stops... i open the hood n surprised to see that whole air filter box assembly was not installed properly and one rubber pipe was hanging loose above throttle body ..i drove back to honda site n do shoor sharaba n the consultand appologises n admit the negligence.. but un able to answere when i ask him why the technician has removed the air box assembly.... anyway everything gets normal i drove back to ofice... next morning check engine lite came on.. i checked it on petrol and on cng .. it lights only on petrol and car refuses to go above 50 kph on petrol and 40kph on cng (landirenzo LC01)... i went to honda site again n do shoor sharaba again .. their test drove the car n get it inspected from their technician n both came to conclusion that O2 sensor is not working...i asked dem to connect the scanner instead.. to whick their consultant name shehzad said "sir ji hamaray scanner m to lisenced software ha aap ki car m cng ha to scanner exact reading nai dey ga. app bahr kisi cng valay se scannig kra len ta keh pta chal jai k problem kahan ha" i said u blah blah etc cng p lite nai ai ha petrol p a rhi ha... den i go inside the ofice n contact a CRO n told him the story. he noted my complaint n said u shud wait for our call. next day their workshop manager Adnan called me n said that they r sending their driver to pick the car .. after 4 hours their driver returned the car n there was no check engine lite.. i called adnan n ask wht he heck was wrong he said that the coupler of oxygen sensor was broken n they just repaird it. technician had slammed the wrench or som other tool to it while changing the gear oil. they didnt charge me any thing... end of one story.

    2 weeks later check engine lite lits again. this tym petrol idle rpm was on 1500 and cng idel rpm was 1100. honda site takes one whole day n diagnose tht IAC valve is the culprit... shehzad call n said that "hum service ker k dekh letay han otherwise part replace kerna pry ga" honda site do not have iACvalve at tht tym and eid was after 1 day so he returned the car n said k do not on the AC while car is idle. again car starts jerking this tym i took it to local mechanic .. he open the hood n said "aap khud kyu tune kernay ki koshish kertay ho ye deho aap ne ye rubber damage ker dia ha" .. again honda guys didnot properly installed the whole air filter box assembly and the rubber grip that seals the black plastic air filter assembley box over the throttle was not installed properly n thers a gap anyone can see between the throttle outlet n box assembley. he fit the entire thing properly ... after eid honda guy called me n ask to replace the IAC valve (they have arranged it) but i refuses n said that i dont want dem to experiment on my car.. they evern offer free service but i simply refuses.

    althogh these things are minor but think about he inconvenience... no one can expect such things from honda 3s dealer...i think their supervisor gives a damm to open the hood n just see it every thing is fitted properly or not. m just writing all this to inform u guys about the work at honda site karachi ...

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    Alhamdulillah got my Honda City Aspire Prosmatec delivered today from Honda Shahrah-e-Faisal. Booked in May, got delivered after more than 3 months. But it was worth the wait
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    this is not just the honda 3s,such negligency can be observed on many other workshops and mostly at 3s like toyota 3s and suzuki 3s,i am witness,once a gentleman came to mini motors suzuki 3s very famous 3s in lahore cantt areas,brought his almost new margalla,an electrician there did some work under the hood,car owner payed the bill and took his car out,after about half an hour he came back again with burnt hood above the main fuse box,the electric shock was of as much high voltage that paint at top of the hood was also burnt.
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    @smarslan..

    Mashallah Congrats

    Car is looking really great.

    Honda changed the Aspire Rims and they look much better than the previous ones.
    And beige interior looks good.Allah naseeb karae aap ko aur

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    Default AC Blower Turns Off Automatically [ Honda City 2000 ]

    Hi fellows,

    vehicle under consideration is a Honda City 2000, and problem runs like this when i turn on the AC on any speed of blower after like 10 minutes blower shuts off, and with it AC also dies and AC clutch dis engages, wait for like another 10 minutes and it will turn on automatically, like its been programmed to rest for some time, running and idle time of blower at start of season was long and now its been reduced to like 10 mins or even low. blower is installed with a relay, its a nissan one 4 pin blue color, today plugged in a toyota denso one for testing but same, AC system is not installed with pressure a switch. today also opened up the center console to have a look at blower speed selector switch but it didnt shown any signs of heat up sorta thing, grip was snug and shiny connectors apparently it seems good too.

    so guys have you faced such situation with hondas or have any clue to pin down the problem, feed back and suggestion are highly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    Hi fellows,

    vehicle under consideration is a Honda City 2000, and problem runs like this when i turn on the AC on any speed of blower after like 10 minutes blower shuts off, and with it AC also dies and AC clutch dis engages, wait for like another 10 minutes and it will turn on automatically, like its been programmed to rest for some time, running and idle time of blower at start of season was long and now its been reduced to like 10 mins or even low. blower is installed with a relay, its a nissan one 4 pin blue color, today plugged in a toyota denso one for testing but same, AC system is not installed with pressure a switch. today also opened up the center console to have a look at blower speed selector switch but it didnt shown any signs of heat up sorta thing, grip was snug and shiny connectors apparently it seems good too.

    so guys have you faced such situation with hondas or have any clue to pin down the problem, feed back and suggestion are highly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skill View Post
    change the selector mode and examine.
    already done that, no matter if its shuts off on 3 or 4 and after it shuts off i change to any level it stays like that, only clicks back after some time even if the speed level is different from which it shuts off.

    Update: tried same on heater, and exactly same behavior, so i guess we can exclude the AC from the scene

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    Okay guys ... after ignoring my city and the HCFC itself for a long time, today i found time for both
    for the city, i got complete tuneup done.

    1) Tappets adjusted
    2) Throttle body serviced
    3) Plugs replaced
    4) Air filter replaced
    5) Another small issue fixed

    A few days ago i was in an under ground car parking. its enterence was very steep. still not that much that one needs to convert to petrol. anyways, cng was finished, it was on petrol. i attempted to climb out of the parking but on the steep, the car behaving as if its a suzuki mehran on cng with a/c. it just totally refused to climb up n stalled. just a day earlier, i had done the same thing on cng effortlessly, so why wud the car act this way on petrol? anyways, i reversed, picked up some momentum and up it went.
    this made me think wats wrong with the lower end power of my car, as its totally fine at rpms above 1500, it flies. anyways, i today my mechanic found the culprit even though i didnt mention the issue, i just went for periodic maintainence.
    the problem was that the valve that shuts down the cng supply to engine when a car was malfunctioning, it had a small spring which had gone too weak to push the valve into position. so, having diagnosed the issue, my mechanic said "Han wai Ahmad, 10 rupay mai masla hal kar dun?" i said " khaawar bhai kar dain tou chasss ban jae" he asked one of his chota to get 10rs from me and bring a picasso ball point, the one with the spring. rest u know what he did the problem is go-went-gone now

    rest, it was just simple tuneup. car was veryyyyyy dirty so please dont mind it, Usman bhai DC ki dukaan walay have promised me to do my car whenever i visit lahore. so please bear with the dirt
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    kaaptaan ji mein kuj bolan k rehn dian

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    DEnSo Plugs ?

    y didnt u go for NGK ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    kaaptaan ji mein kuj bolan k rehn dian
    ustaad ji toanu koe rok sagda a? bolo THHAAA kar k
    When the power of love exceeds the love for power, the world will finally know peace=Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shicks View Post
    DEnSo Plugs ?

    y didnt u go for NGK ?
    my mechanic always recommends denso... dont know why...n they ve been working fine. im using them for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ustaad ji toanu koe rok sagda a? bolo THHAAA kar k
    chal rehn de

    waise aa jaya karo kadi kadi apne thread te v

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    Wondering about buying Honda City 2003-2004, atleast I'll be in city club

    How would you guys rate it in:

    a. Mileage
    b. Maintenance
    c. How do they perform with CNG
    d. Resale value
    e. And how do they perform going up on slopes like Nathiagali or Murree

    Thanks

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    Mehmood bhai i was concerned about flow selector mode not the fan speed mode.
    get it to the nazir autos G/8-1 though they work on high end cars but they are best with their scan tools to pin point the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Okay guys ... after ignoring my city and the HCFC itself for a long time, today i found time for both
    for the city, i got complete tuneup done.

    1) Tappets adjusted
    2) Throttle body serviced
    3) Plugs replaced
    4) Air filter replaced
    5) Another small issue fixed

    A few days ago i was in an under ground car parking. its enterence was very steep. still not that much that one needs to convert to petrol. anyways, cng was finished, it was on petrol. i attempted to climb out of the parking but on the steep, the car behaving as if its a suzuki mehran on cng with a/c. it just totally refused to climb up n stalled. just a day earlier, i had done the same thing on cng effortlessly, so why wud the car act this way on petrol? anyways, i reversed, picked up some momentum and up it went.
    this made me think wats wrong with the lower end power of my car, as its totally fine at rpms above 1500, it flies. anyways, i today my mechanic found the culprit even though i didnt mention the issue, i just went for periodic maintainence.
    the problem was that the valve that shuts down the cng supply to engine when a car was malfunctioning, it had a small spring which had gone too weak to push the valve into position. so, having diagnosed the issue, my mechanic said "Han wai Ahmad, 10 rupay mai masla hal kar dun?" i said " khaawar bhai kar dain tou chasss ban jae" he asked one of his chota to get 10rs from me and bring a picasso ball point, the one with the spring. rest u know what he did the problem is go-went-gone now

    rest, it was just simple tuneup. car was veryyyyyy dirty so please dont mind it, Usman bhai DC ki dukaan walay have promised me to do my car whenever i visit lahore. so please bear with the dirt
    Ahmed bhai'your car's TB depicts how often you run the car on cng.
    look at pic of the TB of Rxi which i run on petrol inside city and cng on longs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfsultan View Post
    Wondering about buying Honda City 2003-2004, atleast I'll be in city club

    How would you guys rate it in:

    a. Mileage
    b. Maintenance
    c. How do they perform with CNG
    d. Resale value
    e. And how do they perform going up on slopes like Nathiagali or Murree

    Thanks
    recently bought an '04 City Idsi
    a. Mileage is the best part of this City really good mileage's on both Petrol and CNG
    b. Maintenance is easy parts are reasonable (at least here in Khi they are)
    c. CNG performance is very good with A/C
    d. Resale is good but it depends upon the condition
    e. No idea but fellow members have visited northern areas on they City's best to check previous pages
    hope this is helpful

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    @ahmadbila nice work
    good that you brought it up and reminded me i have to get it done
    so any difference in drive after the tune up ?

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