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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfsultan View Post
    Wondering about buying Honda City 2003-2004, atleast I'll be in city club

    How would you guys rate it in:

    a. Mileage
    b. Maintenance
    c. How do they perform with CNG
    d. Resale value
    e. And how do they perform going up on slopes like Nathiagali or Murree

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    a. Best in its class I get 12 in city on petrol 15 on motorway at speeds above 125 and 18-19km/litre on gt road. All are with AC on and 5 people on board. On CNG I get 16 in city 20 on Motorway and 25km/kg on Gt road again same load and AC on
    b. Maintenance. Well its dirt cheap to me. I have a 2008 mehran that is 35000km driven and my city has done 100,000km now. I can say that periodic maintenance of city is less than mehran. The parts are almost same price but citys last 3 times longer. I got front pair of shocks for mehran at 4800 rs whereas you can get one for city in 6000 rs but they will last more than what mehrans will last. I bought new brake rotors for around 3500rs I think and after 18,000 km they are working fine. Brake pads are available at 800-1000 rs and they work fine for 10,000 kms under heavy braking conditions so parts are dirt cheap. If you ask me I can provide you prices of more items
    c. Best on CNG in 1300cc category. The thread starter has driven his city almost 200,000 kms on CNG and no problem. Basically its ecu controlled so the ecu changes the engine parameters within 5 minutes of drive depending upon the type of fuel. Recently I was going to abbotabad and I got CNG refilled from haripur the CNG was worst within drive on flat road but after drive of 5 minutes the car started performing as CNG was good and I reached abbotabad on CNG with ease
    d. I hate any discussion on this topic and to me if any thing has got resale in pakistan than its either a suzuki or a khoota cowrolla. So I will not say anything on this issue but will say thing than resale will not save your life and will not give you driving pleasure, these cars are meant to be driven and we consumers are to drive benefit from the use of them we are not investors. So start becoming a user and stop thinking about resale
    e. My personal experiences have been that I have been to kewai but not game enough to go ahead although I had reached kewai on CNG and had done all the slope in 2nd gear with 6 people on board. Now just imagine kewai is 6000 feet. My car was on CNG get it on petrol and drive it on first gear I think it can easily do the slope of shogran which many people have done and that is the toughest climb that even murree and nathiagali are not. The car has got enough low end power like diesel because of maximum torque at just 2800 rpm whereas steermatic 1.5 vtec has maximum torque at 4400 rpms.
    My final verdicts although this car is slowest amongest the 1.3 category but the most fuel efficient and powerful in its class thanks to the low end torque. It also has the biggest cabin space and boot space. The think that I like the most is its eps equipped with VSS that makes the handling of steering so easy even at speeds above 140 I myself have experienced it. Any more querries and i would love to answer them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skill View Post
    Mehmood bhai i was concerned about flow selector mode not the fan speed mode.
    get it to the nazir autos G/8-1 though they work on high end cars but they are best with their scan tools to pin point the cause.
    flow selection is all mechanical and i dont think it can contribute to the problem, any ways try karne mein kia harj hai, btw i did see one single wire connecting flow selector switch and fan seed selector switch, will try.

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    Honda City Fan Club -1035877

    Bad day for my car. Happened on my way back from work. A suzuki Bolan rammed into me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfsultan View Post
    Wondering about buying Honda City 2003-2004, atleast I'll be in city club

    How would you guys rate it in:

    a. Mileage
    b. Maintenance
    c. How do they perform with CNG
    d. Resale value
    e. And how do they perform going up on slopes like Nathiagali or Murree

    Thanks
    A. Excellent
    B. Easy
    C. Excellent
    D. Excellent if well kept
    E. Reasonable if empty, not so gud if loaded
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skill View Post
    Ahmed bhai'your car's TB depicts how often you run the car on cng.
    look at pic of the TB of Rxi which i run on petrol inside city and cng on longs.
    Amir bhai actually the cng kit of my car was full of oil, i got it serviced a few months ago but didnt get throttle cleaned. now that its done, im sure it wont get as dirty as it is now. n yes, i drive my car a LOT n mostly on cng n i use it on petrol too. recently did a trip to chakwal, all on petrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    @ahmadbila nice work
    good that you brought it up and reminded me i have to get it done
    so any difference in drive after the tune up ?
    haha... do get it done. yes i felt a lot of difference (around 15-20%) in acceleration because there was that cng valve related issue too.
    normally one only gets about 5-10% increase in performance but 100% mental satisfaction
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post

    Bad day for my car. Happened on my way back from work. A suzuki Bolan rammed into me.
    :O
    too bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    :O
    too bad
    Thank you for the condolence . I am really pissed

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    @fahadsoulsnatcher911, @a_n_memon88, @ahmadbila : Thanks guys!

    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    d. I hate any discussion on this topic and to me if any thing has got resale in pakistan than its either a suzuki or a khoota cowrolla. So I will not say anything on this issue but will say thing than resale will not save your life and will not give you driving pleasure, these cars are meant to be driven and we consumers are to drive benefit from the use of them we are not investors. So start becoming a user and stop thinking about resale
    I'm a keeper. Have my Khota corolla 86 for 5-6 years now. So it's not likely I would sale the Honda anytime soon once bought.

    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    its eps equipped with VSS that makes the handling of steering so easy even at speeds above 140
    You will have to explain that in english.


    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    E. Reasonable if empty, not so gud if loaded
    That doesn't sound good Is that your personal experience?

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    Does new City performs good on High Octane than Regular Petrol and does the pick increases...If it does then what should be the proper ratio of High Octane to Petrol that should be added in it so that it should have the best performance???

    Please tell...Thanks in advance!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post

    Bad day for my car. Happened on my way back from work. A suzuki Bolan rammed into me.
    ouchhhhhhh, thats hurts man

    if it would have been only the light, then fine but here he has also pushed backed the rear metal and thats bad, sorry for your loss brother, so whats the plan for repairs?

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    I have Honda City 2012 with navigation. I'm planning to install component speakers, amp and a subwoofer. Can I somewhere find specs of the head unit (lcd-dvd player) that comes with this model of City? I need to know does it have an RCA out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    I have Honda City 2012 with navigation. I'm planning to install component speakers, amp and a subwoofer. Can I somewhere find specs of the head unit (lcd-dvd player) that comes with this model of City? I need to know does it have an RCA out?
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    Good man which one do you have Manual or Prosmatec...Which one do do you like??? and whats the colour of your car???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ouchhhhhhh, thats hurts man

    if it would have been only the light, then fine but here he has also pushed backed the rear metal and thats bad, sorry for your loss brother, so whats the plan for repairs?
    Plan is to repair it asap i wud hate to drive it like this. Its the light, plate , bumper n a liil bit of fender . I hope i don need a paint job. How much dou think the light shud cost?


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    Someone please answer my question regarding Petrol!!!
    For swift and gutsy response use CIVIC!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Plan is to repair it asap i wud hate to drive it like this. Its the light, plate , bumper n a liil bit of fender . I hope i don need a paint job. How much dou think the light shud cost?


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    about light i have no idea but if you can wait by tomorrow i'll check, my wild guess will be around 2k or so, fender bend is visible, i would say you just had light removed by your denter and place nut bolts in the holes of light fitting and had it pulled out gently till light fitting is acceptable, and for bumper good thing is it didnt open up from the seam that is under the outer lower edge of light, i think bend will pop out when heated without much loss of paint, or if you want a perfect look in one go and willing to spent let the guys hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    about light i have no idea but if you can wait by tomorrow i'll check, my wild guess will be around 2k or so, fender bend is visible, i would say you just had light removed by your denter and place nut bolts in the holes of light fitting and had it pulled out gently till light fitting is acceptable, and for bumper good thing is it didnt open up from the seam that is under the outer lower edge of light, i think bend will pop out when heated without much loss of paint, or if you want a perfect look in one go and willing to spent let the guys hammer.
    I am confident that the bumper won't loose paint as it has been hit from the other side once before and bend came out nicely when heated. I think its a genuinish bumper so it has alot of flexibility. I have the same guess about the light but i am really worried about the fender dent.

    Did you solve for AC problem ? I think its definitely related to your blower switch. I had similar problem with my blower switch but only when i would set the fan to the lowest , it would shut off randomly and offcourse the ac clutch disengages with the blower going off. My AC no longer works on the first notch which is really annoyng as it gets quite chilly with blower on second notch.

    Lemme know if you find out about the light. I'll check this light wala i know after work tom. It would be nice to have an idea . !

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN427 View Post
    Does new City performs good on High Octane than Regular Petrol and does the pick increases...If it does then what should be the proper ratio of High Octane to Petrol that should be added in it so that it should have the best performance???

    Please tell...Thanks in advance!!!
    High octane burns quicker so it does increase performance and also solves many knocking issues. Good quality fuel from a nice and clean gas station would also do the job. There is no magic formula for the ratio, you can check by filling up half tank of super and mix it for a quarter tank of Hioctane and drive if you find it appropriate you can lock in the ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Honda City Fan Club -1035877

    Bad day for my car. Happened on my way back from work. A suzuki Bolan rammed into me.
    This happens because these bolans and mehrans have poor brakes and they usually ram into you if you brake head. BTW I would suggest you to just replace the light and try repairing the bumper but leave other things because the corner part of the fender is strongestand it would require a lot of hammering to be repaired

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    must have been a gareeb aadmi and the car driver must have made a mistake...................... the usual stories

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