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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    ok guys talking of engine oils, plz define what is ambient temperature, lets say my oil grade is 10W-20 and for this grade ambient temperature is say 20-40'C, is this the max atmospheric temperature that the engine will bear or what???????? i have searched and failed, if answer comes with a reference it will be highly appreciated.

    Edit: i dont see detergent and non detergent written on oil dabbas, some light on this one too plzzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ok guys talking of engine oils, plz define what is ambient temperature, lets say my oil grade is 10W-20 and for this grade ambient temperature is say 20-40'C, is this the max atmospheric temperature that the engine will bear or what???????? i have searched and failed, if answer comes with a reference it will be highly appreciated.

    Edit: i dont see detergent and non detergent written on oil dabbas, some light on this one too plzzzzzz
    Using Havoline Formula 10w-40 i think. Works well!

    Any idea how much should a new fuel filter cost?

    Had a story with fuel pump last week, the original went bad so i installed a kabli Japanese but it was a little larger in size. During installation that idiot removed the pump filter so eventually the pump got choked and blew up the fuel pump fuse and the car stalled even on CNG with the Check engine light permanently on. I replaced the fuse and the fuel pump started making loud noises. I had the pump opened again and it was red hot. Installed a Chinese one which works fine but the car hesitation and shut downs on petrol at low RPMs. I am thinking the filter is probably choked because of running the fuel pump without filter.

    What do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Using Havoline Formula 10w-40 i think. Works well!

    Any idea how much should a new fuel filter cost?

    Had a story with fuel pump last week, the original went bad so i installed a kabli Japanese but it was a little larger in size. During installation that idiot removed the pump filter so eventually the pump got choked and blew up the fuel pump fuse and the car stalled even on CNG with the Check engine light permanently on. I replaced the fuse and the fuel pump started making loud noises. I had the pump opened again and it was red hot. Installed a Chinese one which works fine but the car hesitation and shut downs on petrol at low RPMs. I am thinking the filter is probably choked because of running the fuel pump without filter.

    What do you think ?
    I am also seriously considering Havoline Formula as almost all recommends it, and i will pour it in on sunday with warranty of our kapptaan that it will suit my machine its 10W30, the red wala havoline. not sure of the filter price as last 3-4 times dad took car for the change but will update you on sunday and yes i use guard filter.

    and dammit what a story and what an idiotic harkat from your mechanic to remove the filter from pump, and yes no questions asked it pump was choked so do the fuel filter will be too, engine compartmant filter costed me like 1200 more than a year back if i remember correctly, though not sure, and i hate to say but what do you think of the injectors in such scenario?

    said all above what was original symptoms that you need to replace the fuel pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ok guys talking of engine oils, plz define what is ambient temperature, lets say my oil grade is 10W-20 and for this grade ambient temperature is say 20-40'C, is this the max atmospheric temperature that the engine will bear or what???????? i have searched and failed, if answer comes with a reference it will be highly appreciated.

    Edit: i dont see detergent and non detergent written on oil dabbas, some light on this one too plzzzzzz
    Mahmood Bhai,

    For a 10W-40

    The viscosity at ambient temperature of 10C and below . The specified viscosity of oil (what ever it is) will not increase if the temperature goes below 10 even to -15C i think. 40 means that the oil will have pretty much the same viscosity in the given range. Oil when heated gets thinner and looses viscosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    I am also seriously considering Havoline Formula as almost all recommends it, and i will pour it in on sunday with warranty of our kapptaan that it will suit my machine its 10W30, the red wala havoline. not sure of the filter price as last 3-4 times dad took car for the change but will update you on sunday and yes i use guard filter.

    and dammit what a story and what an idiotic harkat from your mechanic to remove the filter from pump, and yes no questions asked it pump was choked so do the fuel filter will be too, engine compartmant filter costed me like 1200 more than a year back if i remember correctly, though not sure, and i hate to say but what do you think of the injectors in such scenario?

    said all above what was original symptoms that you need to replace the fuel pump.
    Yeah i know. It was not my regular mechanic... This time i just sat with him so that he doesnt screw up. Injectors may be, but if i push hard i quickly reach 6k RPMS and the car runs fast and smooth. Its just the low RPMs between 1k-2k when the car stalls. I have to push the pedal again n again till it recovers....I am talking about the engine compartment filter. 1200 is ok. I think i should change it anyways since it looks quite old. I have run almost 30k since i bought the car. Total is around 170k./

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Mahmood Bhai,

    For a 10W-40

    The viscosity at ambient temperature of 10C and below . The specified viscosity of oil (what ever it is) will not increase if the temperature goes below 10 even to -15C i think. 40 means that the oil will have pretty much the same viscosity in the given range. Oil when heated gets thinner and looses viscosity.

    yes its like that as you stated, my point of asking was is 10 and 40 degree are the same temperature that we hear that karachi or isb was this much today in the news or in oil terms its different.

    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Yeah i know. It was not my regular mechanic... This time i just sat with him so that he doesnt screw up. Injectors may be, but if i push hard i quickly reach 6k RPMS and the car runs fast and smooth. Its just the low RPMs between 1k-2k when the car stalls. I have to push the pedal again n again till it recovers....I am talking about the engine compartment filter. 1200 is ok. I think i should change it anyways since it looks quite old. I have run almost 30k since i bought the car. Total is around 170k./
    i so have not been to injectors yet but they also have slow speed jets and high speed jets, apparently slow speed are clogged, my car was aslo bit hesitant on acceleration when i changed the fuel filter but it get sorted, dont really recall was it immediate or after some time when injectors become cleaned a bit. and yes should change the fuel filter and its really a nightmare bringing the car to your mood and if you have theory like my dad's that the machine should be "fighting fit" and that takes a toll on me

    and yes whats help me out on this one, awami markaz on shahrah-e-faisal and Khadda Market DHA Phase V, what is approx distance between the two and commute time also if you can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    yes its like that as you stated, my point of asking was is 10 and 40 degree are the same temperature that we hear that karachi or isb was this much today in the news or in oil terms its different.



    i so have not been to injectors yet but they also have slow speed jets and high speed jets, apparently slow speed are clogged, my car was aslo bit hesitant on acceleration when i changed the fuel filter but it get sorted, dont really recall was it immediate or after some time when injectors become cleaned a bit. and yes should change the fuel filter and its really a nightmare bringing the car to your mood and if you have theory like my dad's that the machine should be "fighting fit" and that takes a toll on me

    and yes whats help me out on this one, awami markaz on shahrah-e-faisal and Khadda Market DHA Phase V, what is approx distance between the two and commute time also if you can tell.
    yeah i am kind of like that when it comes to car. Wan't it to be 100% fit!

    The distance between the points should be roughly around 10 depending on what route you take. I am talking about if you go through the express way in to ittehad , bahria and then majahid. Kahiryat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    yeah i am kind of like that when it comes to car. Wan't it to be 100% fit!

    The distance between the points should be roughly around 10 depending on what route you take. I am talking about if you go through the express way in to ittehad , bahria and then majahid. Kahiryat?
    nothing special need to purchase something from khadda market, but only monday or tuesday the situation will be clear, will let you know if i need some sorta help

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    nothing special need to purchase something from khadda market, but only monday or tuesday the situation will be clear, will let you know if i need some sorta help
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadwizz View Post
    Hot & Spicy roll?

    lolzzzz no, that will be something electronic

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    Anyone using new City with OEM Nav + Back Camera, please help how to increase rear visibility through camera in night.... In day light its superb but poor result in night. OEM camera is same in Civic and City but night visibility is not comparable.
    Should I change reverse light tube/bulbs? Or any other solution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aa78 View Post
    At which shop in Islamabad/Pindi can one expect the most return on the original Eurostar tires with under 50km mileage? For those who sold the Eurostars, how much return did you get and which shop/dealer did you sold them to? Need quick help on this matter. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noone View Post
    NEWS.... Honda City launched with factory-fitted CNG (but not in Pakistan ofcourse) in Thailand.. Here is the link

    Honda City CNG launched in Thailand from 659k baht

    Its too bad that we're getting away from a fuel that's more environmental friendly and in real is abundant in Pakistan
    wow... this is amazing! if this is ever introduced in Pakistan, its gonna sweep the market in a single shot!! BUT ONLY if cng stays available for a few more years :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ok guys talking of engine oils, plz define what is ambient temperature, lets say my oil grade is 10W-20 and for this grade ambient temperature is say 20-40'C, is this the max atmospheric temperature that the engine will bear or what???????? i have searched and failed, if answer comes with a reference it will be highly appreciated.

    Edit: i dont see detergent and non detergent written on oil dabbas, some light on this one too plzzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    yes its like that as you stated, my point of asking was is 10 and 40 degree are the same temperature that we hear that karachi or isb was this much today in the news or in oil terms its different.



    i so have not been to injectors yet but they also have slow speed jets and high speed jets, apparently slow speed are clogged, my car was aslo bit hesitant on acceleration when i changed the fuel filter but it get sorted, dont really recall was it immediate or after some time when injectors become cleaned a bit. and yes should change the fuel filter and its really a nightmare bringing the car to your mood and if you have theory like my dad's that the machine should be "fighting fit" and that takes a toll on me

    and yes whats help me out on this one, awami markaz on shahrah-e-faisal and Khadda Market DHA Phase V, what is approx distance between the two and commute time also if you can tell.

    theres some issue with my car too. dont know if its the fuel filter or fuel pump or the injectors. the issue is that when the car is parked on or being driven on upwards slanting, theres not enough fuel delivery to the engine, the car stalls. feels like the injectors are clogged but it has to do something with the fuel tank, as the fuel is pushed towards the back of the tank, may be it puts strain on the fuel pump. wat do u say mehmood bhai and all others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    theres some issue with my car too. dont know if its the fuel filter or fuel pump or the injectors. the issue is that when the car is parked on or being driven on upwards slanting, theres not enough fuel delivery to the engine, the car stalls. feels like the injectors are clogged but it has to do something with the fuel tank, as the fuel is pushed towards the back of the tank, may be it puts strain on the fuel pump. wat do u say mehmood bhai and all others?
    Well i have kind of found my problem. I replaced the fuel pump a couple of days ago and i think the guy didnt position the suction part correctly.My car stalls when i brake on lower than quarter tank of fuel.. I just realized this today on my way back from work when it drove up the bridge fine and stalled on its way down. Filled up to half a tank and the problem went away.

    Did you recently replace your fuel pump ? I am so pissed i'll have to open up the tank again to fix this annoying issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    lolzzzz no, that will be something electronic
    hmm... what electronics can you get from khadda market... Btw r u in khi ?

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