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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    how much does a replacement side mirror cost ? 04 City

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    Salam
    Brothers i have recently purchased honda city 2007 model with 85000 done. The day i bought it was well not 100% but i would say 90% ok and i was new to automatic transmission so didn't had that much of an idea of the transmission.
    Well it all started when i have to go to lahore on this car.

    To cut to the case there is what had happened:
    When i stopped at the toll plaza the car kindda revs a little (not that much) and then when i started again it just simply didn't go and the rpm meter was moving but the car was still. Then came a jerk and it started to roll and then everything was normal until i had to brake again at a traffic signal. The same thing happened and the car gets on after a jerk when in 'D' mode.
    I felt like the car dis-engages itself every time it stands still on 'D' so for time-being i put the transmission to neutral when i came to a complete stop.
    After some days i have to go to Islamabad and i did 120-135kph during the journey. It all well ok (with me shifting to 'N' at complete stops) until i stopped at motorway toll plaza the return trip from isb-fsd. There the 'D' starts blinking and no when i shifted from 'N' to 'D' it kept blinking and the car hardly creeps itself out of the toll plaza premises and then i shut it down and restarts it again. Then every thing came back to normal.
    Next day i went to a mechanic from which the previous owner had installed the cng and that mechanic asked me if i had driven it above 90kph and then he said that the CVT pulley aka GEAR of the car is ruined and i should not have driven it above 90kph.
    He told me to get a complete new gear from honda and according to him whole thing would cost about 0.15 million.
    Then when i insist the tuned up the engine changed the plugs and filters etc but he still was of the point that i should get the new gear and after that this jerks on cng would end.
    Now the jerky start has reduced by about 75% but i am very perplexed what should i actually do?
    Please help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquiline View Post
    Salam
    Brothers i have recently purchased honda city 2007 model with 85000 done. The day i bought it was well not 100% but i would say 90% ok and i was new to automatic transmission so didn't had that much of an idea of the transmission.
    Well it all started when i have to go to lahore on this car.

    To cut to the case there is what had happened:
    When i stopped at the toll plaza the car kindda revs a little (not that much) and then when i started again it just simply didn't go and the rpm meter was moving but the car was still. Then came a jerk and it started to roll and then everything was normal until i had to brake again at a traffic signal. The same thing happened and the car gets on after a jerk when in 'D' mode.
    I felt like the car dis-engages itself every time it stands still on 'D' so for time-being i put the transmission to neutral when i came to a complete stop.
    After some days i have to go to Islamabad and i did 120-135kph during the journey. It all well ok (with me shifting to 'N' at complete stops) until i stopped at motorway toll plaza the return trip from isb-fsd. There the 'D' starts blinking and no when i shifted from 'N' to 'D' it kept blinking and the car hardly creeps itself out of the toll plaza premises and then i shut it down and restarts it again. Then every thing came back to normal.
    Next day i went to a mechanic from which the previous owner had installed the cng and that mechanic asked me if i had driven it above 90kph and then he said that the CVT pulley aka GEAR of the car is ruined and i should not have driven it above 90kph.
    He told me to get a complete new gear from honda and according to him whole thing would cost about 0.15 million.
    Then when i insist the tuned up the engine changed the plugs and filters etc but he still was of the point that i should get the new gear and after that this jerks on cng would end.
    Now the jerky start has reduced by about 75% but i am very perplexed what should i actually do?
    Please help!
    Brother, you have CVT gearbox and its not suitable to use CNG on it. I have heard people saying that it destroys CVT within a few days.

    You have bought it from some other person. The very first thing you should do is to change its CVT gear oil. It costs around Rs.4500/= for 4 Litres Honda Genuine Oil. Please bear in mind that only use Honda CVT Oil and buy it from Honda Spare Parts Outlet. I have seen a few other versions of CVT, one is quoted as imported from Netherlands, and other one from Thailand. Its a little cheaper but you should buy Honda Genuine.

    Blinking of D means there is serious problem with CVT gear. Every good auto workshop have ECU reader for diagnostics purpose. Get it checked over there.

    But I think before doing anything else, do change the gear oil and see the results if it has changed some behaviour.

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    Hey guys,

    Is there any benifit of buying a second hand car from honda fort which is "honda certified" what does that actually mean? does this mean it is certified by honda or honda fort.

    i am looking for a 2011 or 10 city in good condition, and i saw there add on PW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    how much does a replacement side mirror cost ? 04 City
    What do you want only mirror,if its only mirror than you wont find it new you have to buy new mirror and get it cutted to the size and fitted. Other option is searching in old spare market shershah. If you want anything more than just the mirror like outer frame, motor etc than you can find complete unit from shershah. I dont know about prices from shershah but if you get a desi mirror cutted to the shape it should cost you 150-200rs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    What do you want only mirror,if its only mirror than you wont find it new you have to buy new mirror and get it cutted to the size and fitted. Other option is searching in old spare market shershah. If you want anything more than just the mirror like outer frame, motor etc than you can find complete unit from shershah. I dont know about prices from shershah but if you get a desi mirror cutted to the shape it should cost you 150-200rs.
    no i meant i want the entire unit actually the mirror got ripped off from its base and it broke the base

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    Anyone for three wheels?? This is the only way I can get it up an into my house........an then a comparison with my 4x4!
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    Salaam fellas,
    I apologize in advance for posting something which may been already suggested.
    Can some one please recommend me a good quality oil for my 2012CityMT, and a good place in Lahore. (pref. around the model town, Gulberg, Cantt area.) I am debating between synthetic and non synthetic. What do you guys prefer and have the best results to which you seem satisfied with.
    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquiline View Post
    Salam
    Brothers i have recently purchased honda city 2007 model with 85000 done. The day i bought it was well not 100% but i would say 90% ok and i was new to automatic transmission so didn't had that much of an idea of the transmission.
    Well it all started when i have to go to lahore on this car.

    To cut to the case there is what had happened:
    When i stopped at the toll plaza the car kindda revs a little (not that much) and then when i started again it just simply didn't go and the rpm meter was moving but the car was still. Then came a jerk and it started to roll and then everything was normal until i had to brake again at a traffic signal. The same thing happened and the car gets on after a jerk when in 'D' mode.
    I felt like the car dis-engages itself every time it stands still on 'D' so for time-being i put the transmission to neutral when i came to a complete stop.
    After some days i have to go to Islamabad and i did 120-135kph during the journey. It all well ok (with me shifting to 'N' at complete stops) until i stopped at motorway toll plaza the return trip from isb-fsd. There the 'D' starts blinking and no when i shifted from 'N' to 'D' it kept blinking and the car hardly creeps itself out of the toll plaza premises and then i shut it down and restarts it again. Then every thing came back to normal.
    Next day i went to a mechanic from which the previous owner had installed the cng and that mechanic asked me if i had driven it above 90kph and then he said that the CVT pulley aka GEAR of the car is ruined and i should not have driven it above 90kph.
    He told me to get a complete new gear from honda and according to him whole thing would cost about 0.15 million.
    Then when i insist the tuned up the engine changed the plugs and filters etc but he still was of the point that i should get the new gear and after that this jerks on cng would end.
    Now the jerky start has reduced by about 75% but i am very perplexed what should i actually do?
    Please help!
    thats a sad bad story i would die if my car behaves like this. i dont have any technical advice for u excpet one that get it checked from Honda at least once before doing anything else. all the best bro

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    Can the speedometer of Steermatic be installed in 1.3 Vario? it is a bit stylo to me..the one in steermatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquiline View Post
    Can the speedometer of Steermatic be installed in 1.3 Vario? it is a bit stylo to me..the one in steermatic.
    you can get Honda fit's Meter installed in your City

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    no i meant i want the entire unit actually the mirror got ripped off from its base and it broke the base
    Only one option go to shershah or some place where insurance walay sell these parts I dont know where but you have to search.

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    Here is a pic from this evening Please say MashAllah!
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    MashAllah!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by incognito59 View Post
    Here is a pic from this evening Please say MashAllah!
    wooooooooooooooooo
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    from where u got this

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    Hhas anyone tried to install retractable side view mirrors in Honda city 2009-12? I think its quite possible but I've yet to see or hear about it here on pakwheels or anywhere else.
    Also, can we get an after market high mounted brake light for Honda city 2009-12???

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    installed headphones socket with my car stereo

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ng-diy-mahmood

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    yeah....HMSL would be a great addition

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    Hi I have honda city 2005 and i have some problem with speedometer , the speedometer is showing speed 10 km less than what the car is going in . I went to mechanic and he told me to go to honda service center they will connect computer to my car computer and collaborate all the sensors and needles in speedometer . Can anybody tell me what should I do to make it right .

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    hello all
    i have a city vario the thing i noticed is when i cold start it wait for the blue cold light to vanish put the car in D it makes some sort of noise like chain spinning in N no sound is observed after driving around the sound vanish! no jerks are felt the gear shifts smoothly accelerate in excellent condition just this sound is observed is this normal for a CVT or something faulty is there ? its fully driven on petrol! CVT oil is changed by honda!
    thanks all
    Guys I am facing similar problem with my city as well since last few days as well. Any ideas whats going on ?

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