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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    What are maintainence costs etc associated with Honda City vario? How long should the car be trouble free etc, a friend is selling one and im looking to purchase a car, So i was wondering if i could try it out.

    But when ever the name Vario is heard, Trouble comes along thats why ive been avoiding it. Any feedback would be helpful, Im also concerned about its fuel average btw.
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Can karachi owners confirm me fuel average of a 60k driven, Well maintained Petrol vario?
    bro it should br around 13km to 15km per litre not more or less for a well maintained vario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Please word your query properly. What Lower City?
    The grey car, honda city with number 5511, which is lower than other city, I talk about that one, sorry my english is bad, learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    Needed utmost attention and urgent reply. How much cv oil should be inserted in vario 04? I have inserted 3 liters and still guage is showing half filled why?

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    it is 3.2 L confirmed !! the maintenance schedule on page 1 shows 2 L which is wrong!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    bro it should br around 13km to 15km per litre not more or less for a well maintained vario.
    is it a speculation or practiced mileage?
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    it is 3.2 L confirmed !! the maintenance schedule on page 1 shows 2 L which is wrong!!
    Check again. Its been Fixed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by city_lover786 View Post
    The grey car, honda city with number 5511, which is lower than other city, I talk about that one, sorry my english is bad, learning.
    Its in lahore. Belongs to vague_one@pw, Usman bhai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    is it a speculation or practiced mileage?
    The above figures are my personal experiences. Driven around 750km in 5500rs of petrol roughly equivalent to 50.4 liters of petrol with AC on and road conditions worst to good. Minimum avg is 10km/litre if going uphill on AC.

    Regarding maintenance costs well let me put it here what I did to my city vario which I bought used with 122k on the odo.

    I changed the whole of suspension minus shock absorbers as they are perfect for 30000rs brand new. An oil change with filter and air filter cost around 5000rs. Remember to check the engine mounts the sound is heard like tuk when u put car in D or in R. Another thing to consider is that vario should not in any way be driven with cng as it ruins cvt in few days. The thing to check is there shouldn't be any sound like trrrrr when u put lever to D or R from P or N. That means ur vario transmission is in need of service which costs alot. The cabin noise apart from tyres should be non when go on road. Check the cars automatic fan thingy it should be in perfect running condition in other worst thermostat valve. Idsi engine needs 8 sparks plugs but u don't need to check them if the cars engine is working flawlessly. That's it please ask any more questions if u need to.

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    Well im looking for a car purchase i started with Coure, then Mira, then eventualy Passo, that makes my range shoot upto from 6.50 to 800k, So a friend is letting go his Vario 2006 almost 60k on the odo, only rear bumper replaced under insurance rest all orignal. Its in Grey color and the price is near about my range (passo + registration etc)

    so the deal sounds tempting. So im a bit puzzled. Im not sure if i want such a big car right now.
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaudhary9 View Post
    posting on behalf of ROBM since he is in ICU


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    Hey Bro, awsome choice..same as mine as i got a Habanero city 3 weeks ago...i see a digital number plate on the bumper.. are they being issued now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Well im looking for a car purchase i started with Coure, then Mira, then eventualy Passo, that makes my range shoot upto from 6.50 to 800k, So a friend is letting go his Vario 2006 almost 60k on the odo, only rear bumper replaced under insurance rest all orignal. Its in Grey color and the price is near about my range (passo + registration etc)

    so the deal sounds tempting. So im a bit puzzled. Im not sure if i want such a big car right now.
    At the end you will be one driving the car bro. Assess your needs very carefully. Passo, Mira or vitz all are made for Japan and work very well there and in Pakistan the only problem is of after sales support which in my sense is very necessary and not readily available here.

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    ^ Oh oky, thanks for the valuable input, Lets see how does it goes whats do i get in the end
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Can karachi owners confirm me fuel average of a 60k driven, Well maintained Petrol vario?
    Bro, My Vario is giving me around 12.7 to 13 Km/L in the city with AC on for around 90% of the time, Trick is to keep the RPM below 3 At All times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasilrkhan View Post
    Salam Everyone
    This is probably one of the busiest threads on PW so hopefully my Question will be answered quickly.
    Anyways i wanted to know
    1: How much would it take to convert a 2001 EXI City to 2001 EXIS .
    2: What is the main differnce between EXI and EXIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Well im looking for a car purchase i started with Coure, then Mira, then eventualy Passo, that makes my range shoot upto from 6.50 to 800k, So a friend is letting go his Vario 2006 almost 60k on the odo, only rear bumper replaced under insurance rest all orignal. Its in Grey color and the price is near about my range (passo + registration etc)

    so the deal sounds tempting. So im a bit puzzled. Im not sure if i want such a big car right now.
    What I have seen from your description of the car, is that the deal you are getting is AWEsome.
    Trust me, you'll be getting a much better car in the same price range as that of passo. And let me assure you of the mileage figures, 15-16KPL on highway is actual real world practiced mileage of the vehicle, no doubt in that.

    Just carry on the usual maintenance as per schedule and she'll last with you forever. 60k is nothing, ahmadbila has his IDSi going strong as good as new @250k kms and mine is at 216k kms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasilrkhan View Post
    Little help here with this ... anyone
    Hmmm, well bro, have got no idea with the costs, but I think the major difference was Power windows and chrome garnish on the window lining, painted mud flaps, some minor additions in the interior.

    I have no idea about the SX8 city, I suggest you contact @rohansaeed and @mahmood@pw for more details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaux View Post
    Hey Bro, awsome choice..same as mine as i got a Habanero city 3 weeks ago...i see a digital number plate on the bumper.. are they being issued now?
    Yeah, congrats bro, I saw your car. Love it mashAllah. I have always been a fan of colors that stand out in a fleet of cars.
    Well bro, My car was registered in March 2012 to be precise. So back then, we used to get these plates. I guess nowadays we aren't getting em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaux View Post
    Hello dears, presenting my new Honda City MT. for your viewing pleasure....



    Sharing the beauty........


    Honda City Fan Club -1064986
    BTW yaar, see this orange tinge in this habanero red pearl? I have been able to beat this yellowish look. I suggest you use of premium carnauba coats (megs GC/#26) within layers of synthetic to give a pure red look. You'll love the color choice even more.

    and, I have yokohama advan dB v551, same as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasilrkhan View Post
    Little help here with this ... anyone
    Im not sure about major differences, But im guessing EXI lacks the following

    -Power Steering (These models have an hydraulic power steering that means a big conversation but still shouldnt be more then 10-15k)
    -Power Windows (You can source a set from scrap market (bilal gunj etc) It shouldnt be more then 20k bolt on)
    -Central locking (you can always get a after market system)
    -If the meter cluster is different (that can be changed)
    -Rest is same.


    The best bet is to consult your mechanic, Major cost is how cheap you get the parts, Conversation labour shouldnt be too much.
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasilrkhan View Post
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    Keep in mind that you are converting a non powered car to a powered one
    there is a difference between factory fitted accessories and locally fitted ones
    that cost will vary every where best is to go to Bilal gunj and get an estimate from a few shops

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